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Kunaak,
well i can see one reason in doing this mod: if my motherboard/bios dos not allow me to change fsb clock at all, this mod will switch from 266 to 333 fsb - a 50% oc in one step.
can't see any benefit of doing this mod on my aw9d-max? i can easily change the fsb from within bios! why should i want to do this mod then?
did i miss something?
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Originally Posted by vanovich
Same performance..
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Originally Posted by mion
No bios problem..I have same mobo/bios and works well..
Mod is good work?
well not really, motherboards that dont allow you to change clock most likly dont support 333/1333.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fgw
http://www.thetechrepository.com/att...1&d=1162498777
All you need do is look at Xeon whitepapers and clockgen whitepapers and you get all the answers
thats hypothetical to me anyway. will i bring any benefit to a board that supports changing fsb clock from within bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimReaper
ok, the cpu bootstraps from 333 fsb, when i let everything at default in bios!
fine! but whats the difference when i change fsb to 380 within bios anyway?
is there any difference?
i try with my e6700 , fsb 1333 , it runs at Vstock !
but very hot in air cooling, with occt it goes up to 74°C
Ohh, 400 ^_^
Tony, better use the word "datasheet" rather than "whitepapers", that might help ppl when searching for their own clockgen capabilities. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Well, adding to Tony comment, quoted from the Asus P5B-Dlx Wifi clockgen Cypress CY28551 datasheet on it's freq capabilities , hint..hint.. look at CPU 0 & 1 column ! :D
Attachment 55575
That is why not every mobo can support that if it is equipped with cheap/outdated clockgen. So just forget the idea of waiting for bios revision if your clockgen doesn't support that speed, it won't help.
Do not assume. There is a lot of info out there saying otherwise when moving from the 1067 strap to 1333 strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by over@locker886
lol 25%Quote:
Originally Posted by fgw
Hmm, maybe it says only for new revision of the boards or something? Or maybe mod wasn't done completely right? With the mod on my ds3, and new bios, it'd post but at 266. With older bios, it won't post at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mion
I did mod, but my mobo same use 1067 strap. P5B-D change strap, when fsb start 401fsb and higher from bios..Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
dont think you can get L-L-L by isolating H30, my guess is that you need to ground H30 for 'L'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarlboroMan
edit: Just found the E4300 266FSB below, that guy essentially grounded H30.
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Originally Posted by bing
Really wondering if any of this can be used to Stop P5B Dlx from switching to 1333 at 401 and going up at 1066.....that would be :toast:
what I am curious to try now, is the 400 mark. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
someone figure that out, and I'll see what happens...
If Anyones Curious.
1333 Mod works just fine in the RD600 too.
tested it just now, boots just like it should.
E6300 Modded, 7 x 333.
Confirmed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
E6600 Moded, 9 x 333 on DFI`s RD600 ...
i know, it was my mistake, as i said b4. Its really difficult to make a mod on E4XXX to reach 333MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaarath
Can you guys write the following information:
-processor
-mobo+bios
-mod worked?
it will help people that are having problems
You not only need proper bios but also cpu that boots at 400fsb stock volts :) Unless vcore has been modded
my 6300 will do 400+ just fine at stock volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
plus, like I said in my first post...
how can I know it won't work, if I dont try it?
(said that about Quad Core 1333 modding)
and any mod I try, can easily be undone.
so if you know the pins for 400... show me.
I'll try it.
according to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
http://www.thetechrepository.com/att...1&d=1162498777
Its BSEL1 to High (pin H30), BSEL2 to High (pin G30)
All you have to do if you already have a modded cpu is mod pin H30 to high. I don't know if will work, because your mobo or any other supports 400MHz native.
Someone here mentioned that this doen does not work on some 975X
boards. Well on my Intel D975XBX (Bad Axe I) this is not neccesarry to
do at all. I say this because you can set the FSB to 1333 in the bios.
I persnally have a E6600 on a Bad Axe 1 running at 1333 FSB + 20%
host burn = 3.6Ghz. I have got it to do 3.75Ghz (Unstable) at 1333
FSB. When I first set the bios to 1333, I could do 3Ghz and 3.3Ghz at
default Vcore. I think I couldnt get past 3.75Ghz cause Im only running
DDR 667 Ram.
But this is really cool none the less, just not needed on Bad Axe 1. :)
It only works if the bios has had a recent 1333 support update, no code no worky...simple as thatQuote:
Originally Posted by supa-fly
BSEL2+BSEL1 to VCC , so just link BSEL2 and 1 together with the mod you did for 1333 and it may boot at 1600
Try it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Ok I have an Asus p5b-Deluxe , No wifi ap .
2 Questions
1. Could I do this mod with a pencil first
2. Whats the odds of me complately borking my proc
ink is just as removable as graphite. although it does make me wonder since we're dealing with relative resistances here..
as for complately borking your proc, only if you someone manage to bridge two points you're not supposed to. for example, vcc and vss or something like that.
Well i will give this a shot I don't exactly want to use a conductive pen right now because I would have to go down to radio shack and take out some of my OCZ titanium Alpha series fund money.
But before I go though with this and post photos does anyone know if I could do this with pencil.
OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS AROUND MY HOUSE THAT i COULD USE AS CONDUCTIVE INK.
Also I was woking on just using a pecie of copper wire to jump the 2 connector wold this work if I were to put an extremely small peice of copper wire and the 2 contacts and bridged them with out touching any other contacts.
you could do that, although it'd be hard to get it to stick on the lands. what you could do is wire wrap around the lga on the socket itself and tie a knot or something and snip off the excess.
Well I am going to go for it
I am going to do this at 6 or 7 tonight
And I will post PICs when it is done
I am going to attempt a wire wrap style mod on the core 2 duo E6300 wish me luck
about the whole 6 or 7 clock thing
Thats when I get off Work
you're fired
na I work at the local bits and PCs shop from 1-5 so I am good.
Well, if recent means since Bad Axe 1 (rev. 304) and since bios 1351Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
which was released in August 21 2006, then I would agree, but thats
already almost 6 months now.
badaxe has always supported 1333 thru bios...try it on a p5WDH early bios etc and you will not get a boot at 333Quote:
Originally Posted by supa-fly
Sorry Dude, i thought you were talking about Bad Axe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
My bad :slap:
Tony,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
So basically this??
Yeah, although I suppose it'd be easier to just draw a straight line connecting all three points.
Ok I am about to try the 1333 FSB mod , I just saw the 400 FSB mod , Should I give this a try on my E6300 ?
read the post, cause it doesnt sound like your ready yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by mukmaster
@Kunaak: One interesting thing with the 1333 FSB mod is:
How do memory dividers behave with this mod?
With 1066FSB memory DDR2 533MHz was 1:1,
with 1333 FSB is it now 667MHz?
Is 533MHz no longer selectable any more as no dividers
below 1 are selectable (or does 533MHz just mean 1:1 divider
and now represents 667MHz with the 1333 FSB)?
Thanks for your answer,
Aljechin.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1170963296
so just to clarify on the E4300 you connect dots 2 and 5?
Yes, if in your bios, it shows "533" at 266fsb, then it's just being "friendly" in its way of saying 1:1. Since there aren't any ratios < 1:1 then it will be 667 at 333fsb. I don't personally own a board that uses the effective ddr2 moniker, so I don't know if your bios would say 533 or 667, but in either regard, it will mean 1:1 667.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aljechin
excellent question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aljechin
I honestly completly forgot about this aspect of the mod and its side effects possibly changing the ratios...
I havent even checked to see what the dividers are when modded.
I will do that now...
the 680i isnt like the P5B deluxe, it uses actual dividers like 3:2 and 5:4.
for anyone else interested.
I've now done this mod about 10 times to 2 of my CPU's and everytime, it takes about 20 minutes for the ink to dry and be effective.
dont let it dry, the mod doesnt work.
the mod however, always works. 2 meg conroe, and quad core. always works.
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
Have you done this yourself on a E4300?
I will do this but just need to make sure the exact dots to connect.
Can you clarify this please?
Thanks:)
I have no E4300 to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by easyrider
I have put up various bits of hardware to trade for one, good hardware too.
but no takers.
I can't outright buy one at the moment....
bills. food. more bills... less food. bills again.
if I had a E4300 I'd be testing all the mods I could on it.
hmm...
now I remember why I didnt test the ram dividers.
I can't.
CPUZ doesnt work on the 64 bit version of Vista.
says Driver error... then does nothing more then show the CPU speed.
all other information is blank...
Hmm I've tried the 1066 mod on my E4300 twice with some silver paint I bought off ebay and it did not work, would drying the paint using a hairdryer effect anything? :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
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Originally Posted by stealthbomber
Have you a pic?
what pins did you connect?
BSEL1 to VSS just like in the pictureQuote:
Originally Posted by easyrider
Have you a pic please?Quote:
Originally Posted by stealthbomber
Nope didn't take a pic of it, the pins were carefully modded with silver paint as described in this and the other links provided for the mod.
The silver conductive pen I had ran out, don't wonna pay another £20 for the darn pen to see if it works with that instead of the cheap silver paint I got off ebay. :slapass:
What happens if you just block the BSEL traces? Or they pulled to VCC automaticly then?
Try a pencil.
edit - wittekakker - to block the BSEL pads you will need fingernail polish or similar.. tape will likely work as well. To block a trace would require cutting.
Euh, yea, exaclty, I ment the pads, not the mainboards PCB traces, as that might take a few more tries :D
so with the E4300's do any pins need blocking off?
So how did the 400mhz go did you try it yet?
Is anyone willing to try take an E4300 to 400mhz with this mod below?
However i REALLY doubt that you can do that off default vcore.
It should be again stated for those new to this thread that although the bsel manipulation would work in theory, it still depends on the motherboard bios for being able to read it and understand!! If your motherboard wasn't programmed to understand the bsel flags for 400 or 333, then setting it to it would be useless. At best, you'd still be at a lower setting. At worst, it'll not post.
Oh and here's a possible 200-333 change for a E4300 if someone's willing to attempt it. As you can see connecting the BSEL 1 to VSS changes it to L while BSEL 2 to VCC makes it H, to give you HLL at 333mhz.
It is gonna b really tough separating the two lines. My tip is to draw the outer line first then put something in the middle between before you draw the inner line. Or maybe the other way around is easier hmm. Actually its probably easier to tape the side of the chip and do the inside then do the outside.
My next question is: Is there a pin that controlls the multiplier??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
333 does indeed become 1:1 with this mod.
tested and confirmed with Everest Ultimate edition beta 3.8
ziddey and Kunaak (is this Kasparov in your thumbnail-pic?),
thanks for your worthful feedback.
EDIT: edited for correctness.
1:1 changing from 266 to 333 doesnt really mean anything.
you can manually do this at any time by simply overclocking.
Is it true that the silver conductive paint doesn't work then from the bay due the reisistence?
I really wanna try this mod but I want it to work!
lol
All i have is the silver conductive paint that worked with my badaxe when I modded it a treat.
But a few have said it the silver stuff doesn't work with the 9x 266 E4300 mod confused:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=133833Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
cpuz 1.39 :)
yes I know, franck sent that to me a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
works great on vista 64.
hallo!
i'm from germany so sorry for the bad english.
i have 2 questions.
first, whats about the fsb 400 mod? works it?
and then a question about the mainboard. it is necessary that the board (bios) support the FSB 333 (without overclocking)?
regards from germany
the problem with threads that get this big is that every other post is asking the same question :(
yes fsb333/400 would require a supporting bios. thus, 333 would be possible with newer bioses that offer support. 400 looks to be just for the future still at this point.
and did you check how the ram divider being affected ??? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
sorry, but i thought that its may be enougt if the board accept the 333fsb with overclocking!Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
ok!
thank you very much!
no worries, it's not your fault. it's just an inherent problem with threads this big.Quote:
Originally Posted by AND88
so is there any benefit to doing this mod if you have a board such as P5B Dlx that already clocks over 500fsb?
and, do you mod the same pins for a dual core? ie: E6600?
The e6600 mod is the same as the quad core mod cuz they both start at 266fsb
Still no 1 tried the E4300 333 mod yet?
Hm so how can I mod my E6850 to run 266? I kinda blew my P5N32-E SLI Plus and my P5B-E Plus doesn't have the bios for 333FSB flashed so I need to boot at 266 in order to flash the new bios with 333FSB support :)
this is why mobo manufacturers should employ a nice little jumper block for strap selection
i'd still love to hear from anyone getting higher maximum fsb out of a conroe using the 333fsb mod on a supporting mobo
instead of connecting to vss, connect to vcc. that'll ground it out and effectively give it low relative resistance, and cause an overall lo-lo-lo for 266fsbQuote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
Do I need a silverpen to do this mod or is it possible some other way? It's 02:01 AM here so kinda hard to get one from the stores :P
You can try if you're really really careful, really good and steady. Basically, if you look at the picture, the closest vss pin is directly above the vcc pin. It's an lga chip so you'd be working on the motherboard itself. If you can get a thin piece of copper wire (like a single strain from household electrical wire) and tie it into a loop around the associated bsel pin and the vss, you'd be golden. You need to really watch out though and make absolutely sure you don't bridge vss and vcc, or else things will get ugly.
Then again, I've had a cpu that's had vss and vcc bridged for over 40 minutes, severely causing physical damage to the cpu, but it still works!! But ymmv, I probably got real lucky.
Hm that would might work. I guess graphite won't work.
Er i'm pretty sure its bsel2 to VSS to make it L
yikes, you're right. mental error there
I'm positive you have it backwards. You have to connect Bsel2 to VSS.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
Look at the original mod and you can easily tell he connected BSEL2 to VCC to change from LLL to HLL at 333fsb.
If you want to go backwards you have to connect to VSS
Back to my question again, is it possible to do with any silverpen or do it have to be a special one?
i think it is posible with each kind of silverpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
there are two kind, first a pen
http://image.bizrate.com/resize?sq=1...861&mid=103650
and then there ist a two component paint.
http://www1.conrad.de/m/2000_2999/24..._00_FB.EPS.jpg
also it will be use to repair the heatable rear window in a car
i have also a thread in german, an one user sad that he has mod his prozzessor only with arctic silver 5 (heat sink compound) and a ballpoint.
i try to find it out and tell it to you
regards from germany
I suppose it's possible to remove the "inc" quite easly?
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Originally Posted by NiCKE^
yes fingernail polish remover will remove the ink
Sounds good to me. I need it to work, I hope "Initialize interrupt controller or initialize multi processor" doesn't mean that my CPU is dead in any way.
My P5N32-E SLI Plus blew a cap last night.
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Originally Posted by NiCKE^
Aluminium tape is conductive and has been used for pin mods before.
;)
For those who need higher CPU voltage, not available to them in the bios, here is a pin volt mod guide for the Conroe’s.
http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=3904
:)
no pin mod for cache on E6300 ,E6400 2mb to 4mb ??? :stick:
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Originally Posted by afireinside
Yes you are thinking of the L12 mod. :)
Back in the days of Hellfire's awesome modded bios' on the infinity NF2. :)
Sorry if this has been posted before. But I have a p5b vanilla. I was thinking of changing my e6400 up to 333 just to establish a higher baseline, but one thing has be wondering. Has anyone done this with a 266 native chip and p5b with new bios? If so, can you verify if 400fsb is still 1066 strap or if it's 1333? Testing with spi or mbench anyone? I'd imagine it'd be 1333 if it's setting 1333 strap with base 333fsb. Is this true also?
So E4300 266 mod is?
this looks perfect for this
http://img.travidia.com/rop-sub/15079041
has anybody tried it with one of the cheap mobos like the ECS?
I think they already said earlier that it does NOT work with the ECS because it does not support 1333fsb unless you're talking about the 1066. In which case 1066fsb will prob work in the ECS with the e4300.
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Dow...uID=44&LanID=9
new bios added support for e4300 but no e0's
thats probably because the VIA chipset cant do 333mhz.
mod it for 266 though and bam that e4300 is a 6600.
maybe "e6500" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
sure that too.
Any FSB MOD for intel D 9xx?
And any news about nios update for Asus P5W64 WS to support FSB 1333?
Not sure about the pd's ability to do the mod, bios on p5w64 ws wont ever be over 200fsb support as it doesn't support conroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by safm
So even if the mod on the pd worked, you would need a conroe mainboard to use it.
Im not 100% sure that would work anyway, so don't hold me to anything.