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Explain my post the previous page as legit and I will give a whole hearted apology along with XL status back to Coolaler.
sry my badQuote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
no pun intended just bad timing i guess lol
One of the reasons that XS is strong is that we question things. We question things from our own people as well. Integrity is a major by-word on what we do, we have to have that or else all else is lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
If that means questioning your "hero's" or "friends" then so be it. Since 2002 we have questioned people and long may it continue because we all know that bugs exist and tweaks exist and cheats exist that can confound the mechanical softwares logic and it is only analysis by peers that gets to the truth eventually.
OPB and Coolaler may both have a really good tweak as they are good buddies (are they I don't know?) but then how about giving it to a neutral third party so we can all say yes, they have moved the bar higher, or the curve lower in this case ?
Regards
Andy
The only way of solving this as stated many times is an explanation as to what has given them the edge from them themselves. If it is a tweak then fairenough they don't want to release it to the majorities but then I think the only solution is for them to reveal it to a leak free, TRUSTED member who can confirm the tweaks are real. Obviously this would just cause a "I dont trust him" dispute but to me it seems the only realistic way.
It's a shame to see this happen but I'm in no position to give opinions or start siding. :toast:
i don't think OPB would hide any tweaks.......he's said it many times that he reveils what he knows.................hopefully everything that is heh
There we go. Subtimings can make all the diffrence if tweaked and tuned properly. It's the all around package. I may sound biased, but OPB is a great friend of mine and it saddens me when he's called out on just about every Pi result he's achieved. Also times in Super Pi can fluctuate even if the CPU speed stays the same. I've also noticed, synced FSB/Mem has been faster than throwing a divider for higher/lower memory speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
I'll end my case at this point in time, I feel any information I provide will only be shot down, and or disregarded as I'm a part of such and such forum and this is such and such forum.
LoL. VT shows? I've always wondered when someone would create virtual machine and tweak performance.
same goes for all the 3DMarks, Cinebench and so on, actually I don't know a benchmark that is not effected, so it is more that just a XS matterQuote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
that is totally gayness hahahaQuote:
Coolaler - 3003 - 1649 - 16.0
Coolaler - 3003 - 1616 - 12.u
any link for me please?
i am going to make fun and laught at him XD
Very interesting... I was always suspicious of coolaler for obvious reasons but seeing the OPB stuff is quite shocking to me. Hopefully we can find out the real deal.
from my statistics course i just got done taking, some of those points are definite outliers, and a couple are way too far away from the general line of data to be normal
There is no ultimatum.
What's being shown is, statistically, the results don't match any other results, or any other set of results. Take it however you want.
There are only two unfair advantages present in benching. 1) random bugs and 2) cheating. A tweak would be a fair advantage.
That said, coming forward and saying, "OPB and Coolaler, if you just acknowledge you have a tweak that no one else has, but no need to prove it, don't worry" is not an option.
At this point, any clarifying response from them would be desired, though I don't think anybody involved in gathering and assessing the data (before we posted it publically) was expecting one anyway.
Take these graphs and numbers as you will. But truth be told, foulplay has not been ruled out one bit. Boblemagnifique has been posting some very interesting links that deserve a look.
All three options for why the results are so out of line are still up. Unfortunately, proving any one of them will be difficult without OPB or Coolaler being completely honest and forthright.
If I were completely removed from the situation, not even knowing what SuperPi was, and I saw those results.....my first reaction would be, "Why do those datapoints stand out so much?"
yes they make a difference, about +-0.010 in Superpi 1M in 9s rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS ~0.2s THAT IS 20x MORE
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Originally Posted by melymel2789
well it's just been done..
But I guess I'm not trusted enough here?
I don't see why tweaks must be made public but explain it to someone neutral like HWBOT admin i think is right.
Cant say can't thrust him cos he can even just post a wr when he want :eek:
People ask for a prof cos feel it's like impossible, show it it's a win for OPB no a loss like you think.
Hmm this data really shocks me. I don't know whether Coolaler and OPB are cheating or just absolutely insanely good.
yes i have to said that is outlier.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
very weird but i think there is some tweaks may help it.
They got the edge and it's legit.
Super pi is a comp, and they are head and shoulders in the lead due to their hard work, not cheating.
I think tooQuote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
But some people is blind man or has :banana::banana::banana::banana: in the eyes to see that the score and the frequency cannot reality (AMD 28gp & Cpumark FX claw) , it is absolutely impossible.
:slapass: for some Members staf and X.I.P here and orthers who closed the eyes rather to wonder about doubtful scores on OPB
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=85069&page=3
His forum is not credible any more A my eyes since more than 1 year ....
The celebrity of OPB is incredible, the people are enough stupid to believe all what he says ….
By hoping that are used as lesson :cool:
Did OPB give you the tweak file for you to test or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Thx bro :toast: (my best clock-for-clock >5GHz is 50252: 5025.2*10.000)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
I'm feeling happy not to have broken the 10s yet... :cat:
We're looking for proof in either direction. Not marketing slogans.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
how many of you, OPB's representatives, really know him, as a person, as a long-lasting friend, that you can really trust him and without single doubt say that he never lies and would bet your life that his Superpi is prefectly legit
for me, if a very best friend of mine, whom I know for 20 years and I could trust him with my life without a sec of a thought, showed me that result without any further explanation, I would say to him that he can shove that in his you know what
Would you share you knowledge to a forum that makes you look like a cheater? Well of course you will say yes but anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Not everyone wants to share their tricks to achieve better results then others. I thought being at the top was competition, not a place where people meet and exchange ideas to give others the chance to take the place you want yourself?
It's like Joey from Friends. What if he told everyone how to score chicks, then he would be without :)
Lol...
try to boot with 400 then pull :DQuote:
Originally Posted by before
you will find something better
interesting thread.
the most interesting thing is the cinebench scores which show a 4 second gain from a simple "tweak"
this is looking bad
there have been several problems lately here on XS, not guilty until prooven is the smart way to go i believe ;)
One thing is that Super pi some times give you lower time because of weird things i remember benching with my opty148 i got a better time with worst cpu speed, worst ram & worst FSB and it was just simply because some times you get weird (legit) runs when runing on the edge of stability
Lets say that he really has an Ultimate Tweak, that could show us and super improved our times.
He would proove all of us, that we are lame, that we were so wrong. He would proove us that he really is the best Superpi GURU at this time.
He would have a tweak, named after him that would be used by many generations.
He would recived the highest respect a overclocker can have.
If he doesn't, he has nothing, his next Superpi/3DMark result would always be marked by this, by possibility of a cheat and will therfore never be widelly excepted as a undisputed WR.
the way I see it, he has no choice
OPB faked one time during the 28GP. So he can do it again without problem... 0.6sec fater with TCCD whereas others get BH5 (= bench at higher frequencies)
Link : http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/28GP/28GP.htm
Coolaler faked during the 600MHz FSB. So he can also do it again. 17.4sec at superpi 1m with Conroe 4Mb cache at 3600MHz (= quartz removal)
Link : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=114600
Not only that, but if you search Coolaler's results, you'll notice the Console (official) timer suddenly stopped working as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Yeah you should be proud of what you have achieved together with Vapor and everybody else that wanted this to be posted in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
No. The people who told me about it are now telling me it's nothing special. Different story. They also told me they would send it to me even though it was "Secret" but that never happened. I really don't know what to think at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
I experienced this to, infact my two best runs per time (25.2 @ 3.2 and 23.1 @ 3587) happened this way and could never be matched. ALSO this was a .2s or smaller difference AT OVER 20 SECONDS A RUN. We're now under 10 seconds a run. Huge difference.Quote:
i remember benching with my opty148 i got a better time with worst cpu speed, worst ram & worst FSB and it was just simply because some times you get weird (legit) runs when runing on the edge of stability
Isn't anyone HERE CURIOUS why Team Japan has been "off" the sPi WR's after owning them for 7+ years?? Noone in the WORLD understands superPi benching and O/S tweaking better than Team Japan. Hmmmm????
Picoo has the most fortuitous superPi runs yet from Team Japan and they're not even close to the "WR"...
Noone is screaming CHEAT, but there seems to be SOME sort of an ABNORMALITY.
Just to point out, TaPaKaH = Tarakan (if Russian letters are converted to Latin alphabet), and Tarakan in Russian means (C)ockroach in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
That would mean bad PR for TeamGroup, OCX and OPB himself and what could the intention of this thread being more then showing that XS Staff believes there's something bogus with OPB and Coolalers scores?Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
No I'm not saying they want to make TG, OCX and OPB look bad, because they clearly stated they just want answers :rolleyes:
It'd do us all better to keep politics out of this.
Maybe purpose abnormality... Facts aren't lieing :(
you have a point, but didnt intel rule CPUs until AMDs K8? there is always someone that could do something better than youQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Did you leave the rest of my message out on purpose? If OBP prooves his way than that would mean a huge promotion for OBP, TeamGroup and OCX.Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
And if you were on holiday last three days, It was I who started the debate and I have no relationship with XS owners nor I was influenced to do so.
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Originally Posted by metro.cl
Spi hasnt changed, windows hasn't changed. That comparison is moot.
What? TJ has always kicked pi ass on Intel ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
so u confirm what I say, sayin thatQuote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
heh, so sorry, I misunderstood your post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
I'd like to straighten out the argument over performance product scaling.
1) 50500 is a solid generalization for a VERY well tweaked run at ~4.5+GHz.
2) The higher the MHz, the higher the 'ideal' performance product is.
2a) The lower the MHz, the lower the 'ideal' performance product is.
3) The reason why it slightly scaled with MHz is because two other attributing factors to performance: FSB and RAM, don't scale with CPU MHz. They're just as achievable at low CPU speeds, probably even easier to achieve to be frank.
i was refering that even if you are the best in something (intel was the best in cpu) someone can beat you (amd been much smaller and young beat them in cpu arch), i wasnt refering to performance in super pi between amd and intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
I have a question.
If Coolaler and Onepagebook don't show up or either of them doesn't provide a satisfactory explanation, what kind of actions from XS staff and other OC community, like hwbot, can we expect?
When this thread kicked off tonight I had no idea we would be seeing results from other overclocking people that supported this claim, I thought it would just be to do with Conroe SuperPi, but it seems to go back to AMD days as well and some of the links shown how do you explain those ?
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/28GP/28GP.htm
Look at the names on that table and how far they are behind. They are all grouped but OPB is way ahead. How ?
Regards
Andy
A good tweak for a nice ratio :
- Start an 1m run at 4GHz for example
- Change the frequency with clockgen, setfsb or Systool and screen
It's easy and everyone can do it
:)
---> OF COURSE IT'S http://thevisualdictionary.net/words...bited/3040.jpg
Just 1/1.5 year :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
The majorty a people is a S.H.I.T in your eyes :cool:
As I recall it, BH5 actually tended to slightly outperform TCCD @ same clocks and visible timings back then. Someone correct me if this is wrong.
OPB is the only one that is using winXP and the only one with non 2-2-2-x timings, what a bull :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
I've made a suggestion to OPB. It involves running at the same speeds as Kyosen's 12.0xx run at 4167mhz with both the X6800 ES and X6800 Retail, also documenting the steps involved. If the retail matches the speed and cant get any further and the ES tops the run, then it could be a cpu abnormality.
BH5 give better results than TCCD at same freq since their timings are tighter
with A64 there is nothing else than 2-2-2- or 1.5-2-2- everything else had a significant dis-effect on performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Lithan
coolalers s spi times..
5200 , 9.72 SN (July 12)
5300 , 9.64 SN (July 17)
5396 , 9.485 SN (July 18)
5409 , 9.484 SN (July 19)
5485 , 9.204 SN (July 23)
5512 , 9.156 SN (July 28)
5525 , 9.000 SN (Aug 2)
5200-5300 ,, 0.080/100 =0.0008 Sec PER MHZ
5300-5396 ,, 0.155/96= 0.0016 Sec PER MHZ
5396-5409 ,, 0.001/13 = 0.0001 Sec PER MHZ
5409-5485 ,, 0.280/76 = 0.0037 Sec PER MHZ
5485-5512 ,, 0.048/27 = 0.0018 Sec PER MHZ
5525-5512 ,, 0.156 /13 = 0.0120 Sec PER MHZ GAIN..
increasing frequency of lets drop of second/mhz gain because of the architecture ,, so according to above results ,, coolaler should use different tweaks that he didnt use before for at least increases 5409-5485 and 5525-5512,,
statisticly results are like that ,, only differences can be because of new tweaks ,, if they had and used them its ok but if not there is sth wrong..
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Originally Posted by zbogorgon
It is a miracle of the life :woot:
OPB is a God ?? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
I am sorry, but at this point, every run just doesn't prove anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
he can film the whole run and everything and it doens't mean anything
right now there are just to many methods to cheat spi run
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Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Yeah I know that... but as I remember it, we couldn't access all ram timings on most boards back then. So people would test BH5 CH5 TCCD etc all @ the exact same timings you could adjust... and BH5/CH5 always came out significantly ahead of TCCD even when everything was running 2-2-2.
Offtopic, but I think I could match that :) Given that I didnt know a few tweaks that I do now, 25.2 secs is do-able with 3200MHz, A64.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
I pulled 25.015 at 3358, add the extra tweaks and scale down, 25.2 should be easy
Judging by what you've just said, you will not allow OPB to prove his worth? What was the basic intention of this thread then?, if you're going to deny him the right to prove his worth, then this thread should be pulled and never spoken of again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Zbogorgon did not start this thread. It appears his opinion is that Spi is too easily cheated and that needs to be addressed before it can be taken seriously as a demonstration of skill. I hope he'll correct me if I've misrepresented him there.
I believe vapor simply wants to know why there were three members who's results didn't mesh with the hundred of spi benchers out there, in a benchmark that responds relatively little to tweaking. One admitted he was faking the whole thing. Two other's haven't responded yet. And instead of waiting for their response, it seems the majority of posters have decided to take the stance of "How dare you question something that mathematically makes no sense! My faith is stronger than your science!"
That make already more 1 year that it must proven these scores on the 28GP and CPumark FX55 Claw, the little which it said is impossible :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
It simply lowers the frequency to make believe that it is a very good optimizer
It is complicated a to understand ?
If you read both two topics, you would understand why at this point there is no other way for him to proove he is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
As I see the whole thing, the only way is to come forward with the tweak, so sorry.
I really don't understand why is he preparing to put on line his whole reputation and carrer just for some tweak. If he prooves that his result is result of a tweak, he will be a hero and he will proove all of us that we were wrong.
If I was in his position, It would already be written. And given the time betwen his superpi runs, he wasn't trying that hard to get that tweak
p.s. but only my oppinion doesn't matter, If I were the only one with a doubt, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, there are many others, with great respect, he has to proove and convince them too
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Originally Posted by raju
Prove it.
When you have benchers as respectable and well known as OPB and coolaler, and they present results that are statistically impossible to replicate, the results should be reviewed by the people who've SUPPORTED them all this time. XS has supported them constantly and taken their results as true and never made accusations of cheating until this data was brought to the forefront. If they're not judged by a group of their peers, doesn't that give them the right to do whatever they want and never be questioned?
Sometimes when data as outstanding as these are presented, one must try to remove themselves as much as possible from biases toward OPB or coolaler or any of the other Legends around here and look at it mathematically.
Don't give me that "they have tweaks which shaved 4 seconds off their SPi1m time at the same frequency!" BS, either! That is outright impossible. No single or collection of tweaks will knock FOUR SECONDS off your Super Pi time, given the frequency at which you benched has remained constant. It might be attributable to unstable clockspeeds, producing abnormally good results, in which case they're just as guilty for not maintaining that their systems were in fact stable enough to run SuperPi, legitimately. These guys know what numbers they should be getting at 5.5GHz, and when they get something abnormally low, they know something is wrong. And if they post these results as verified and true, then they're only misleading the community that respects them.
I've been doing a crystal mod last week for a VGA card. OC-tools read stock speed but you get lot's of higher performance (~9%) at same clock read by Rivatuner. When I overclock the card I seem get stuck on the same score, but I hit my final clock much earlier (read: lower clocks for the same highscore). Besides the fact that clocks really must have been changed and the software is not possible to read the correct clock (maybe @ boot it reads the BIOS set clock and starts from there on), my display was not able to set 1600*1200 60Hz where with the original crystal I could do this. So changing the crystal does affect the whole part.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmax_oc
Now... if we changed the mainbord's main crystal in a version which is only a few Hz higher, would that affect the whole system, and even the Time general used in Windows? Wouldn't that make it possible to get higher 3D Marks or better superpi times as to it is based on time.
So would this be possible, because, it would be just plain simple if you have soldering skills.
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Originally Posted by Lithan
Exactly.
It has been boiled down into statistical results, there is no point putting a human face on things and what you want to believe, the only answer now is a statistical reply that can be replicated and shown to be true.
Or else it will always be seen as an anomaly.
Regards
Andy
I had never seen great OPB's & Coolaler's score about 3DMark...
why ? :D
becasue opb sux on 3D lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by giampa
and coolaler doesnt know how to use solder XD
LOL! So true but I didn't want to say it :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
jmax and wittekakker: Changing PLL's and clock crystals is nothing new and definately not a cheat.
However, should the OS lose its ability to tell time accurately there will be large problems.
As has been stated multiple times in this thread, clarification is the objective. If this is a tweak that they would not like released to the general public then PM'ing it to a trusted individual is not a hard task. Of course keeping the tweak for themselves means it doesnt get a cool name like "The OPB/Coolaler Tweak" though.
Filming a run means nothing aswell ( you can easily have the "extra tweak" loading in the background... you can edit the video [ :D ] , and more ).Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
IF there's a tweak that gives him the current advantage, the only thing that could prove his claims only by running the calculation with system settings that other members can match ( lets say 5.00GHz ) and post the tweaks that he's using for that run.
A man with balls & self-respect would prove himself in any way at any cost instantly without having a second thought.
Changing quartz to get a FSB WR is a cheat :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
That's what coolaler did to get 17.4s @ 3600MHz with a conroe 4M
i just got curious, i got to take a look at all the data being used here.
i sorted it out a little differently, i took only those scores made with 5ghz or greater. i only used all data except for OPB and coolaler's scores
the lowest product score i had out of everyone's scores 5ghz+ (lower meaning better), was 50437.
now, how many of OPB's and coolaler's scores are below that
there are 2 of them
for OPB, the WR run...
at 5550 mhz in 8.91seconds for a product of 49450.5 (1000 below )
and Coolaler, the 9.00 run...
and another at 5525 mhz in 9 seconds for a product of 49725 (700 below)
now, for those familiar with box and whisker plots, here are two to look at
everyone except for coolaler and OPB's graph
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1166057222
and for the stats people
Q1-50728
Med-51275
Q3-51403
IQR-674
all the data i have, including coolaler and OPB's
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1166056345
Q1-50624
Med-51073
Q3-51348
IQR-724
everything said below is concerning the graph including opb's and coolaler's results
now, i dont care about the top of the graph, im only concerned with the lower data, so how much of coolaler and OPB's scores are below the 3rd quartile (value is 51348)
every single bit of it. that means that all 12 of their runs fell into the lower 25%(by looking at the graph). seems a bit odd with so many skilled benchers around.
another thing, if you look at the graph, you will notice a small * at the bottom, that is what is known as an outlier, and it just so happens that this outlier is the supposed "world record".
after looking at all of this, it appears either some supertweak was used or some foul play involved
_______________
if you compare both graphs though, notice that once i cut off coolaler and OPB's data, the graph becomes much more compact on the lower end, and with no outliers
They have not a special tweak... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
jmax - It is not a cheat so long as it is done legitammetly. Just as in the 440bx days where people would modify them to keep the PCI frequency down so they could push the FSB higher.
CPULL - Didnt say they necessarily did.
Ah Ah Ah , very very anything :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
That gives false results thus it is cheated (still it is necessary specify it)
One cannot approve a quartz change which makes it possible to give false value like a valid screen
Especially when Asus Taiwan and Cpuz (confirmed by Franck delattre) prove that it isnt the screen is not at the true frequencies :p:
Huh...someone from OCX defending someone from OCX with no further evidence than a bias to back it up. I think that's what we DON'T want.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
Stevil read carefully my words :Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Coolaler changes the quartz to get a huge frequency under cpuz. But it WASN'T the REAL frequency since his spi result is very poor.
Franck : cpuz creator showed us that the displayed 600MHz frequency was completely wrong...
Showing 600MHz whereas the real frequency is far lower (480-500MHz) is cheating. That's all :fact:
hum, it's not the first cheating, with the 28GP... 27.5 at 2800MHz with an A64 1MB and TCCD, tss, impossible, 28.3 is already awesome with some BH-5Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
He changed the CPU frequency after the run, just that... not extraordinary :nono: (I think and sure his scores are real)
show me a single thing i said that that was a definite lie or was not backed up with argumentsQuote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
as far as prooving, if you have read my original topic, you should know that there is no way of prooving that he cheated, it is only up to him to proove that he didn't, as simple as that, so sorry
nice or not, facts are facts, I am always willing to fight for the truth and looks like all you guys from OCX have a very hard time excepting that
Incorrect. What I want is for some decision to be reached on this matter without a swarm of people from OCX coming in and flamebaiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
I want a vid... If I see OPB who gets a sub 9.000s at 5.5G (or a logical score at 4.5 or other frequencies) ok, if not...
cpulloverclock
well it is not necessary that he did 8.906, IMHO he would need 5700 MHz for that and to bo honest, I don't think he did it, he did a cpuz verification, but that is far from superpi run
Thepredator, if you choose to follow OPB and his 27.6s at 28GP, it's your problem :D. But don't spoke about OCX. It's not the subject.
The subject is that nobody understand OPB and Coolaler result's. Therefore they have yet shown us their ability to post wrond resultas :D
Why is everyone arguing about this?
None of you are OPB and none of you are Coolaler.
1 simple PM to Charles from either of them......all of this is over.
You can all argue until you are blue in the face, it will not solve anything.
Here is the important part you keep skipping over, jmax.
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Originally Posted by STEvil
I hope its clear to read now.
certainly you can defend him, just try to argument, the only think you and Nickey are doing is bashing everybody with no arguments at all and with statements that cannot be taken as a fact like (OPB would never lie, cheat...)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
Ok, now I look at just his time (8.906) and not the frequency but for the 28GP he is #1 with a fake
Stevil, I think that you are a bit narrow minded...
Look at the first screen :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=114600
Don't you see a problem here ??? 17.4seconds with a conroe at 3600MHz ??? Are you noob enough not to ask you the right questions ??? Scores at 3600MHz are near 14seconds !!! not 17.4 seconds.
On this screen (refuses by cpuz), we can clearly see that the real frequency is 6x480 or 6x500Mhz. That's all.
If you go on telling me that this 600MHz is 100% real, ok I will let you alone with your ignorance
Just a quick note...
Pedro and Ricky discovered and introduced the (multiprocessor ACPI) tweak and that, at it's time was completely unheard of... and gave BIG speed boost. It is considered a TWEAK, not a CHEAT. When the community was scratching their head as to WHAT those two were doing... they came forward and showed us all the TWEAK. It was clear and duplicatable (is that a word?)
If OPB/CA come forward with the tweak and prove their "edge" then everyone will have to eat their words, just as Pedro/Ricky did.
That's sad, really sad on one side, but on the other we can see that the overclocking is going to be a real sport :D
I've ever doubted on some of those stranges scores, but it's really unfair.
Who is the real FSB champion ? maybe a french guy with 616Mhz with a p5b dlx bought in a shop ?
I hate fakers, we are working hard some times to get a score and in fact we're fighting alone.
yeap just as pedro himself mentioned earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
no need to get into personal insults now....it's starting to get out of hand in the thread a little
How about 622? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=143757
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=145996
This tweak can provide a speed boost on the order of shaving 4 seconds off one's SPi1m time?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
jmax, have I once ever in this thread mentioned those results?
No.
In fact I only told you that:
In this I am referencing that many have performed PLL/crystal mods to attain higher FSB's AND THEY DID SO IN A FASHION WHICH WAS NOT DECEIVING AND DID NOT MODIFY HOW THE OS RECOGNIZED THE CLOCKS.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
This is to tell you that
IS NOT A CHEAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmax_oc
Yes, it can be exploited, no it is not a cheat.
Yes in any way OPB it will be right is even on and one will have still forgotten this history of 28GP and of CPUMARK FX55 claw for 1 year still and now this Superpi has 5.55ghz has 8.906s….Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
It is always the same thing, a newbie would have posted that , it would have been ban directly but it one will believe on word OPB considering it is a god of the overclocking and that these overclocking doesnt bring publicity for the job ....
More it is obvious more people dont believe in it
That becomes really pitiful not to opposite look at reality since nearly 2 years ....
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
I'd be extremely surprised to see the crystal getting changed on any of these....