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12-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Shift

Turtle 1 you know you can quote more than once in a single post right?:rolleyes:

Stop double and triple posting.
12-17-2006, 07:56 PM
Turtle 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

WTF thats not true at all, ATi planned the board as 2x8x from the beggining stop spreading you BS.

Thats not true we all heard the stories read the articles. This was suppose to support 3x 16xpci-e slots. and also support for DDR3. Read the Fugger Thread On this Chipset from awhile back its all in there.
12-17-2006, 08:19 PM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Thats not true we all heard the stories read the articles. This was suppose to support 3x 16xpci-e slots. and also support for DDR3. Read the Fugger Thread On this Chipset from awhile back its all in there.

Every roadmap ever released by ATi about the RD600 shows 2x8x.

The board does have 3x16 slots, so fugger is not wrong. There is a difference between slots and lanes. AMD changed nothing.

DDR3 support was a rumor and nothing more, AMD has nothing to do with that either.

This chipset was done when amd got ATi, the only thing amd was responsible for is the delays. (because all the mobo makers dropped the board)
12-17-2006, 08:25 PM
Turtle 1

Don't post again till I say finished I will get many supporting article. This only changed after ATI and AMD made a deal.

ATI IS WORKING on one cool, Conroe-supporting chipset.
It is codenamed RD600 and this one will have no less than three PCIe 16X ports. As you might know, ATI wants to do a lot with what the chip firms now call physics. Most especially it wants to get you buying three graphics cards for your PC.

Two cards for graphics will cost you and a third one for physics might not be super expensive but it won't be cheap either. Of course, it all depends on what you want, as the top ATI physics chippery comes with the top ATI graphic card.

That’s why you'll need a third PCIe slot.

The RD600 chipset will support Conroe, Intel Core 2 Duo CPUs and it is expected in the next few months - probably before the beginning of Q4 2006.

It is an Intel-only chipset and there are no signs of an equivalent PCIe 16x3 chipset for AMD. ATI wants to focus on Intel and wants to be early on the Conroe bandwagon so it can make some extra money.

For the time being, Intel 975 and P965 are the only good Conroe chipsets although Nvidia might have its C19+C51 Northbridge chipset at the launch to support Conroe as well. µ

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/931/

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/06...rd600_details/

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/06...ses_ati_rd600/

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=608109

http://www.anmartech.com/news/2006/j...+X16+slots.php

These plans only changed after AMD and ATI started talking about buy out. SO here is how its going to work. THE amd version will have support fot 3x 16x Pci-e lanes with 48 total pci-e lanes that were orginally planned for Intel only. This only becomes interesting when you consider the DoJ investagation. AMDand NV were tight. Now it seems to be a threesome with lots of proof to support that theory. If the R600 supports XF with PCI-E 16x slots only as the NV chipset does for the G80gtx sli this gets missy fast.

My wifes brother inlaw worked on this chipset . He is now working for Intel . So I think I know the trueth. I have finished
12-18-2006, 12:56 AM
The Warlock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Well I really not the guy to give you the ans. Your looking for. I do very simple O/C's Try to stay @ 1:1 and keep timings as tight as the DDR2 memory I choose to use. I don't like to loosen timing. So I will spend more $$ on the cpu inorder to achieve my objectives. Many here buy cheap CPU than o/c the hell out of them . So we have to differant objectives in our buying decisions. They need the best O/C M/Bs and Memory which cost more $$. I spend more on higher end CPU's and go for memory with tight timings. Than I choose a M/B that will meet my needs. Usually cheaper than the Max performance M/B. I haven't run into the so called 1333 strap issue. or the 400mgz issue on the P965. Because I don't go that direction .

I do know that on the first post in this thread I believe Tony gave the pics of Bios options (Sorry just M/B pics) . So look their to see if 1333 fsb is supported. Yes Commando will support the new cpu . Having A 1333fsb strap is not the end all solution for you. For me however its important as I like the 1:1 ratio.

here's an example of what we do this is what my wifes machine is setup to. Badaxe M/B 6800 cpu Corsair 2x512 ul 5400 .Timings 3-2-2-8
In the bios we choose 1066 DDR2533 1;1 O/C the cpu to 350mhz fsb That gives her 3.85ghz DDR2 700 = 1400 fsb. Will it break records no. But its very fast and stable on water cooling and it runs 24/7 . She hasn't had 1 problem with it since she put it together. Simple reliable and fast.

I do it the way I described it to you . I run 1:1 and work up till i hit my target with tight timings.. If its stable I am happy. I will say . A lot of people are pushing me to go extreme. Because we do have the resources. But the first time I melted down a M/B I know I would cry. LOL.

Well, basically what im looking for is something that will run these Kingston HyperX DDR2-1200 2 GB at 1200Mhz within spec. timings 5-5-5-15-1T and a mobo that could run the new 1333fsb cpus, oc a bit only on the cpu , but be rock solid and stable. Since im not much of an ocer, it would be great if it nativily supported 1333fsb. But even if it doesnt, i could always oc a little more, i guess! Lol, but like you i would cry my eyes out if it melted,lol!
12-18-2006, 06:44 AM
falqon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Don't post again till I say finished I will get many supporting article. This only changed after ATI and AMD made a deal.

It is codenamed RD600 and this one will have no less than three PCIe 16X ports

As was already pointed out, there is a difference between slots and lanes. Your own sources point out that the 3 PCIe's were not going to actually be 16x.

Your brother and law never worked for intel, you're not under any kind of NDA now please stop clouding this thread with BS. Seriously, this is like 20 posts of garbage.
12-18-2006, 07:08 AM
Turtle 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by falqon

As was already pointed out, there is a difference between slots and lanes. Your own sources point out that the 3 PCIe's were not going to actually be 16x.

Your brother and law never worked for intel, you're not under any kind of NDA now please stop clouding this thread with BS. Seriously, this is like 20 posts of garbage.

Reread If you will notice this chipset was suppose to have 48 pci-e lanes.

Specific details of the north bridge are scarce at the moment, but it is likely to have the same number of PCI-Express lanes as there were in RD580, which had a total of 48 PCI-Express lanes

We have gone way off topic . I don't care if you except the facts or not. The trueth is plain and simple the . DFI RD600 M/B is not the chipset that was promised. DFI has nothing to do with it . As they worked with the chipset that was delievered . You can spin this anyway you want. THIS is NOT the chipset that was promised by ATI. THIS is the chipset that AMD wanted for Intel.

I didn't know there was a differance between a pci-e 8x slot and a 16x slot. Renaming those slots 16x slots is just spin and you know it. For referance read my sig. I am kitsune what are you.
12-18-2006, 07:33 AM
Turtle 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Warlock

Well, basically what im looking for is something that will run these Kingston HyperX DDR2-1200 2 GB at 1200Mhz within spec. timings 5-5-5-15-1T and a mobo that could run the new 1333fsb cpus, oc a bit only on the cpu , but be rock solid and stable. Since im not much of an ocer, it would be great if it nativily supported 1333fsb. But even if it doesnt, i could always oc a little more, i guess! Lol, but like you i would cry my eyes out if it melted,lol!

As I said I am not the one to give you advice . Look at our memory choices and timings. You were asking about Wolfdale/Yorkfield. I gave you the only honest and true ans ,I know given the available information. Bearlake X38 is the only chipset I would sugjest for the cpu's we are discussing. They come out just befor the next cpu's with 1333fsb. I do relize you could have been talking about Kentsfield cpu's with 1333fsb.But its around the same timeframe. If you bought at that time. The 45nm processor would be worth a little longer wait.
This is the only ans . I can give. Because anything else would be bad advice.
12-18-2006, 03:30 PM
Millyons

wonder if their new extreme tweaking software for commando is gonna be posible to use on p5bdlx....
12-18-2006, 11:29 PM
webwilli

when will we see more from the commando?
12-19-2006, 01:32 AM
alejo

Quote:

Originally Posted by webwilli

when will we see more from the commando?

Yeah, I keep checking this thread because I'm interested in this mobo. Not much info since the initial post however. :D
12-19-2006, 03:17 AM
Tony

Turtle 1

RD600 was always 8x8, I have boards stretching back to its first spin and they are all 8x8. Now I do know they planned a 16x16 respin but that would have had a different name like RD680 maybe.

I am going to make this the past post on this, any more and I close the thread.

Commando

I am trying to get the latest bios, then I will recommence posting about the board.

Tony
12-19-2006, 03:49 AM
AndreYang

ASUS New 965 mobo ROG Commando Result

We know ASUS ROG mobos are different from other ASUS mobos because ROG has more voltage and Ram timming.

I went to ASUS main company last week and took this mobo.

I will share some pics and simple result to everyone.

ROG Commando pictures

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/1.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/2.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/3.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/4.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/5.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/6.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/7.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/8.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/9.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/10.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/11.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/12.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/13.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/14.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/15.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/16.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/17.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/18.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/19.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/20.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/21.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/22.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/23.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/24.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/25.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/26.jpg

Audio

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/27.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/28.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/29.jpg

BIOS

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/30.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/31.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/32.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/33.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/34.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/35.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/36.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/37.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/38.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/39.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/40.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/41.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/42.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/43.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/44.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/45.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/46.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/47.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/48.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/49.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/50.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/51.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/52.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/53.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/54.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/55.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/56.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/57.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/58.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/59.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/60.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/61.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/62.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/63.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/64.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/65.jpg

Start pics

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/66.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/67.jpg

Power on and Reset

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/68.jpg

LCD

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/69.jpg

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/70.jpg

Vdroop Test

BIOS 1.55V

Start

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/Vdroop-1.JPG

Full speed

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/Vdroop-2.JPG

3D Mark Single 8800GTX Test

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/3D06.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/3D05.JPG

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/3D03.JPG

4XSuper PI 1M Test

http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/Commando/PI-1M.JPG

I didn't bring many CPUs and Rams to Taiwan,so I will post more when I come back to USA.

Thanks your Reading.

Andre Yang
12-19-2006, 03:59 AM
Okda

very nice indeed, but still the vdrop needs to be solved

:off:
what Digital Camera r u using ?
12-19-2006, 04:03 AM
Alexandrus

Great looking board, nice features over the P5B Deluxe, but that VDroop is getting even worse.
12-19-2006, 04:04 AM
AndreYang

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaFrOuT

very nice indeed, but still the vdrop needs to be solved

:off:
what Digital Camera r u using ?

DSLR Nikon D200 and Canon 5D:)
12-19-2006, 04:06 AM
Okda

thanks :D
12-19-2006, 04:07 AM
LowRun

Thank you, good job Andre :toast:
12-19-2006, 04:17 AM
Tony

Threads merged...all info needs to be in 1 place
12-19-2006, 04:31 AM
Millyons

im i wrong or i dont see a strap setting in bios?
12-19-2006, 04:36 AM
metro.cl

some serious voltage options there
12-19-2006, 04:50 AM
El Snorro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millyons

im i wrong or i dont see a strap setting in bios?

me was thinking same thing, now waiting for the DFI RD600 board te choose the best :)
12-19-2006, 05:11 AM
Tony

There is no way to force strap setting, i have asked Asus if they can add these options though.

We wait and see
12-19-2006, 05:15 AM
Alexandrus

Yeap, a strap option and some less VDroop!!!!! would make the board a lot better.
12-19-2006, 05:21 AM
K404

How are the higher RAM clocks possible? Have internal timings been loosened more? To have control over them would be beyond great.
12-19-2006, 05:50 AM
lawrywild

Fook me, I want that board so bad :slobber:
12-19-2006, 05:51 AM
RichUK

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:! The voltage adjustments on this board is insane. I was seriously going to pre-order the DFI RD600, but now I’m seriously having my doubts and am interested in this new 965 ROG board. This board must be capable of around 550FSB?!

Also, are they cherry picked 965’s used in these ROG boards?

.. and another thing, when is this board due for release guys? Thanks.
12-19-2006, 06:33 AM
Turtle 1

Hi. RichUK I hope this helps you.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=127050

I am buying this M/B for testing. V core drop a little high. But with so many V options I can select a higher value to hold the value I want. I like the 975 chipsets but this one deserves a hard look. Andre can you tell me what the over voltage option is? Will that option be available on future bios?

Thanks Andre for your results. Could you take this thing up to 550 FSB and confirm Anand Tech reults.
12-19-2006, 08:08 AM
DeToNaToR.cl

vdroop is awfull...
12-19-2006, 08:21 AM
Sentential

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToNaToR.cl

vdroop is awfull...

Yea thats a showstopper for me as I do not plan to do any sort of vmodding with solder. Other than that it looks solid to me.
12-19-2006, 08:46 AM
Turtle 1

I see now that the over voltage ist'n an option but a header for the other voltage options. LOL . That is a hugh V drop to hold 1.55 a guy would need to select 1.62 . to get the 1.55 value at load. Asus didn't work real hard at fixing that problem considering Intel revised the specs. M/B can use.
12-19-2006, 08:51 AM
nealh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

I see now that the over voltage ist'n an option but a header for the other voltage options. LOL . That is a hugh V drop to hold 1.55 a guy would need to select 1.62 . to get the 1.55 value at load. Asus didn't work real hard at fixing that problem considering Intel revised the specs. M/B can use.

with a big vdroop..idle the chip is getting alot vcore..wonder if this will lead to issues

why cant they fix this issue...it is not new and people are complaining....

seems no one is listening on this issue
12-19-2006, 09:20 AM
Turtle 1

Well Andre Is showing 1.4951 at start . So I am not sure if thats at Idle or boot. Than at load he shows 1.423. Best thing I can do is get the board and check idle V drop. If its like what Andre is showing . I can simply go to a higher value. I have a nice fluke so I know it will read accurately vs. a $29 multi meter. Still this looks like a nice M/B to replace my Dothan setup. If I need to mod the Vcore i will. My wife wants me to buy a cheep C2D to play with. This seems like a nice M/B to go extreme with. I know there is a rather large heavy present under the tree from her and the kids. I bet its a phase change cooler. I just hope they got me the right one.
12-19-2006, 09:45 AM
citat3962

Wow look at all those voltage settings~!!

You could be tweaking your volts down to the bare minimum for months!!

I hope all that controllability translates to more headroom!
12-19-2006, 10:27 AM
sierra_bound

Thanks Tony and Andre for the preview.
12-19-2006, 11:31 AM
Turtle 1

Andre on one of those nice Pics you posted could you circle the test points for the core v drops it would save us some time.
12-19-2006, 11:34 AM
RichUK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Hi. RichUK I hope this helps you.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=127050

I am buying this M/B for testing. V core drop a little high. But with so many V options I can select a higher value to hold the value I want. I like the 975 chipsets but this one deserves a hard look. Andre can you tell me what the over voltage option is? Will that option be available on future bios?

Thanks Andre for your results. Could you take this thing up to 550 FSB and confirm Anand Tech reults.

Thanks, that was helpful :)
12-19-2006, 12:03 PM
JoeBar

Thanks for the info and pics Andre! :)

These are some serious voltage options...
12-19-2006, 12:11 PM
Kunaak

I really wish one of these premium boards would have atleast 1 lower then then 1:1 setting...

right now on my P5B deluxe, I can easiliy boot at 575 into windows (volt mods and all) but the problem for me, is getting ram that can do 1200 mhz isnt easy...

if I had 1 setting below 1:1 then maybe I could finally find the limit of the board and CPU :)

be nice if one of these premium boards offerd that, cause theres always someone like me using them, that just ends up getting held back by something very minor... like your ram cant go any farther...
12-19-2006, 12:52 PM
Supertim0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

I really wish one of these premium boards would have atleast 1 lower then then 1:1 setting...

right now on my P5B deluxe, I can easiliy boot at 575 into windows (volt mods and all) but the problem for me, is getting ram that can do 1200 mhz isnt easy...

if I had 1 setting below 1:1 then maybe I could finally find the limit of the board and CPU :)

be nice if one of these premium boards offerd that, cause theres always someone like me using them, that just ends up getting held back by something very minor... like your ram cant go any farther...

that's a good point
12-19-2006, 01:30 PM
Tonucci

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

yeah my P5B-Del has hardly any droop at all. the WS pro from my understanding has no droop at all.

If there really is trade agreements with intel why is asus violating them on some boards and not the others?

also, about vdroop. Does any one know the technical reasons for it? I just dont understand why intel would want vdroop.

Maybe lower vcore would make intel look good on power consumption charts, for the general public ? I dont know.
12-19-2006, 02:11 PM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

I really wish one of these premium boards would have atleast 1 lower then then 1:1 setting...

right now on my P5B deluxe, I can easiliy boot at 575 into windows (volt mods and all) but the problem for me, is getting ram that can do 1200 mhz isnt easy...

if I had 1 setting below 1:1 then maybe I could finally find the limit of the board and CPU :)

be nice if one of these premium boards offerd that, cause theres always someone like me using them, that just ends up getting held back by something very minor... like your ram cant go any farther...

I guess that's what RD600 is for with it's asynchronous clocking of the ram.
12-19-2006, 03:32 PM
syne_24

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

some serious voltage options there

hell yea, just the way I like it. Also the layout is probably the best one asus has done all year.
12-19-2006, 03:52 PM
alejo

Such nice pics! I wish review sites did stuff like that instead of regurgitated data sheets. I hope this motherboard isn't overpriced when it hits the market.
12-19-2006, 05:59 PM
Tony

I asked Asus for the 400 mode, lets see if they put it in bios.

I just set 1.8V for vcore on my board here and measured 1.56V real on the board...droop is a little mild for the lack of accuracy here and I will be looking for a fix when I speak to the guys in Taiwan.

they could do away with the options over 1.6vcore for me if 1.6V actually gave 1.6V ;)

Tested some Xfire with my trusty 1800's and broke 60K 3d01 with some tweakage, 3.7GHZ boot at 399x9 and clockgen up 1:1 ;)

Badaxe2 testing tomorrow though, so will come back to commando later.
12-19-2006, 06:11 PM
ooztuncer

after the bigfoot here comes the teaser tony :)
12-19-2006, 07:21 PM
justin_c

looks heavily based on p5b deluxe bios; MSRP for this? 300+?
12-19-2006, 07:48 PM
nealh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

I asked Asus for the 400 mode, lets see if they put it in bios.

I just set 1.8V for vcore on my board here and measured 1.56V real on the board...droop is a little mild

this is a little droop?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

they could do away with the options over 1.6vcore for me if 1.6V actually gave 1.6V ;)

I agree

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

Badaxe2 testing tomorrow though, so will come back to commando later.

keep us informed on this one too
12-19-2006, 08:52 PM
situman

I'm actually more interested in the bx2 now after seeing the "little" droop on the asus.
12-19-2006, 09:24 PM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by situman

I'm actually more interested in the bx2 now after seeing the "little" droop on the asus.

BadAxe 2 is a beast.
12-19-2006, 11:43 PM
fhpchris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

I asked Asus for the 400 mode, lets see if they put it in bios.

I just set 1.8V for vcore on my board here and measured 1.56V real on the board...droop is a little mild for the lack of accuracy here and I will be looking for a fix when I speak to the guys in Taiwan.

they could do away with the options over 1.6vcore for me if 1.6V actually gave 1.6V ;)

Tested some Xfire with my trusty 1800's and broke 60K 3d01 with some tweakage, 3.7GHZ boot at 399x9 and clockgen up 1:1 ;)

Badaxe2 testing tomorrow though, so will come back to commando later.

Ouch, I would think Xfire and conroe should be able to break 70K?

I do not understand this ROG vdroop issues, why cannot someone just make a board that we already have, but with the mods that we already have.

Heatpipes are not impressing anyone...
12-20-2006, 02:11 AM
death metal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

I really wish one of these premium boards would have atleast 1 lower then then 1:1 setting...

right now on my P5B deluxe, I can easiliy boot at 575 into windows (volt mods and all) but the problem for me, is getting ram that can do 1200 mhz isnt easy...

if I had 1 setting below 1:1 then maybe I could finally find the limit of the board and CPU :)

be nice if one of these premium boards offerd that, cause theres always someone like me using them, that just ends up getting held back by something very minor... like your ram cant go any farther...

If I remember correctly, Bad Axe/2 offered such.
12-20-2006, 02:40 AM
Millyons

in my eyes its just ashame that they are not putting strap in bios, i dont see this board as anything else than a "bling bling" p5bdlx (i dont care about xfire).... and no way i would switch to it from p5bdlx if it doesnt have a strap option since my p5b can run over 520 when booted at 401> and up to 480 with <400 boot and thats unmodded.....like this i got to run 389x9 where i could run 437x8 no prob what so ever if we had the strap option
12-20-2006, 07:32 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhpchris

Ouch, I would think Xfire and conroe should be able to break 70K?

I do not understand this ROG vdroop issues, why cannot someone just make a board that we already have, but with the mods that we already have.

Heatpipes are not impressing anyone...

X1800's bud not 1900's, max cpu clock was 3.7GHZ.
12-21-2006, 01:50 AM
jsbond007

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Originally Posted by Tony

I asked Asus for the 400 mode, lets see if they put it in bios.

I just set 1.8V for vcore on my board here and measured 1.56V real on the board...droop is a little mild for the lack of accuracy here and I will be looking for a fix when I speak to the guys in Taiwan.

they could do away with the options over 1.6vcore for me if 1.6V actually gave 1.6V ;)

Tested some Xfire with my trusty 1800's and broke 60K 3d01 with some tweakage, 3.7GHZ boot at 399x9 and clockgen up 1:1 ;)

Badaxe2 testing tomorrow though, so will come back to commando later.

Tony,

When can we expect to see the overclocking results from your BadAxe2 testing?

Thanks.

Jack
12-21-2006, 06:41 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsbond007

Tony,

When can we expect to see the overclocking results from your BadAxe2 testing?

Thanks.

Jack

Soon....plus I have to say this, it is one slick over clocker ;)
12-21-2006, 07:52 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhpchris

I do not understand this ROG vdroop issues, why cannot someone just make a board that we already have, but with the mods that we already have.

I have often wondered this same thing. i guess they don't feel there is a problem.
12-21-2006, 08:23 AM
theteamaqua

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Originally Posted by argonmtt

hope the pricing is within the acceptable range .. :)

like $300+ when it launches with the price gouging and with $250 MSRP hopefully

and it will go down to $250 after 1 month
12-21-2006, 10:53 AM
trans am

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Originally Posted by Tony

Soon....plus I have to say this, it is one slick over clocker ;)

Sweet! Can't wait.
Tony can you rename this thread to "turtle1 triple post results by Tony and Andre"?

The Commando board is cool and all and I'm sure Badaxe2 is going to be just as exciting but what excites me even more is when the mighty Turtle1 pulls off 2 death defying double posts on page 4!
And if that doesn't impress you check this Trifecta out!
THE TURTLE IS OUT OF HIS SHELL!!
12-26-2006, 03:44 PM
RichUK

BUMP

More info, or something i can read please :D
12-26-2006, 07:30 PM
goatboy

Tony is waiting for new BIOS before doing more testing on the Commando.
12-26-2006, 07:34 PM
Tony

Still waiting on a bios, the release bios did not help my clocking at all.
12-26-2006, 08:07 PM
OldGuy

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Originally Posted by Tony

Still waiting on a bios, the release bios did not help my clocking at all.

Would I be remiss if I said "Typical Asus" :D
12-27-2006, 06:14 AM
nFo

Nice Mobo, Tony and Andre. :D

Can you get also a High FSB with the: E6600,E6700 & X6800 ?
12-27-2006, 01:04 PM
WeaponX

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Originally Posted by WeldZilla

You know this has been a year of ,"Hey I got this new board". Although I can't post anything about it for weeks to come but, I will however try to give you enough to keep you frothing at the mouth til it releases. And of course everyone yammers on for 30 or 40 pages. Then finally you see the tests and people buy them in droves only to find that without the exact memory and a vapochill they are no better than the P5W DH they bought in the same frenzy then threw away for 965 board that finally gave them the bus speed but with such loosed timings gave no actual performance speed for about 95% of the users who clammered to get them. Remember the hype over the MSI board? MSI has never built an Intel board that was worth a damn. Ever!
Yet the hype was on. Lately it has been the 680 chipset. Guys dumping their hardware to get it. Only to find out that it was all hype and more of the same crap. Now the ATI board is getting the hype and right in the middle of all the hype Tony Craps his own thread with yet another board.
My point. Guys quit giving them you frickin money. Stick with what you got til about April or may. Don't buy nothing from them til they give us one that is not so buggy and then we sit around cursing for bios updates. Don't be led around like a crack whore thet will do anything for the next fix. I do mean anything!! I got sucked in totally on the P5W DH and I quite frankly like the board but it has been rediculous wating for Asus to bring out bios after Bios that does not do very much at all except piss us off. The only real difference was eliminating the cold starts after every trip into the bios. I ran a by pass for my water pump so it did not stop and start 30 times an hour!! So I for one am going just to sit back and wait for a motherboard to come out that is good right out of the box. So go ahead and hype away guys I have become numb to it as a matter of fact you couls say "Comfortably Numb"

WZ

Finally, someone with some common sense. I've been just sitting back and watching this whole fascicle unravels itself for about 2 months and although I've been itching to buy a system setup, nothing out there atm peaks my interest. I thought the Asus Striker would be the ultimate answer to everyone's headaches but it turns out to be big flop. Then you have the DFI RD600 Board which we've been eagerly waiting since AMD's acquisition of ATi and yet again we have another big no no (2 x 8 instead of 2 x 16, I don't think that's called "future proof" by any means). I will have to agree with Weld on this whole new motherboard fascination that we have here and we need to stop buying these crappy boards to teach the manufactures that we don't just buy everything that's "hyped up" but rather a very good solid board period.
12-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by WeaponX

Finally, someone with some common sense. I've been just sitting back and watching this whole fascicle unravels itself for about 2 months and although I've been itching to buy a system setup, nothing out there atm peaks my interest. I thought the Asus Striker would be the ultimate answer to everyone's headaches but it turns out to be big flop. Then you have the DFI RD600 Board which we've been eagerly waiting since AMD's acquisition of ATi and yet again we have another big no no (2 x 8 instead of 2 x 16, I don't think that's called "future proof" by any means). I will have to agree with Weld on this whole new motherboard fascination that we have here and we need to stop buying these crappy boards to teach the manufactures that we don't just buy everything that's "hyped up" but rather a very good solid board period.

QFT
12-28-2006, 06:42 AM
WeaponX

Don't get wrong, I love the work and effort that Tony and some others have been putting in to try and give us some insight on interesting boards that are going to be appearing on our shelves in the near future, but enough is enough. My guess is that your job Tony is to try and find things that are wrong with the boards and report them back to the makers or find bugs no? If anyone here has been attentive to what's been wrong with the boards, I'll try to list the problems out.

1 - Expensive Boards - Since when have we been willing to shell out 400 dollars for a board with shiny lights and poor overclocking to boot? Wasn't the true goal of overclocking to take a relatively reasonable priced mobo/cpu/ram combo and get the most out of it (More bang for the buck!!)? Hell, I have a full time job, barely any expenses but I still hesitate and cringe at how the prices have risen so much in one year. 300 dollars for a so so motherboard or 249 dollars for a Nintendo Wii? hmm...

2 - Poor out of the box Overclocking Boards - How many bios revisions does it take to get some solid overclocking done? Correct me if I'm wrong but the majority of people reading the forums now a days are your average Joe consumer with strong interests in overclocking right? Yes, we would be willing to do modifications if there were huge gains but for the most part we'd rather not go to that extent amirite?

3 - PCI Express Bus Limits - Why can't anyone get it right? if you say a board can do 3 x PCI Express Graphics, it better well be 3 x 16 or don't even advertise that it can do it, why bother? Have the companies hit a major technical wall or something that it's just simply impossible for them to acheive such a grand feat? I can go on and on but I'll stop...

All I really want is a solid top notch performing board with no nonsense overclocking abilities out of the box, aesthetics are a plus but not necessary of course and just don't make it cost as a much as a PS3, don't handicap the features and I'll be happy, is that too much to ask?

X out
12-28-2006, 06:57 AM
falqon

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeaponX

Correct me if I'm wrong but the majority of people reading the forums now a days are your average Joe consumer with strong interests in overclocking right?

No you're not right, you're not even in the same ballpark as right. There is no "average joe" with strong interests in overclocking. It's called a niche market for a reason.
12-28-2006, 07:42 AM
WeaponX

Quote:

Originally Posted by falqon

No you're not right, you're not even in the same ballpark as right. There is no "average joe" with strong interests in overclocking. It's called a niche market for a reason.

My fault then man, I guess I'll just speak out for myself I suppose. I for one am not willing to shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars for garbage, I'm sorry. I've been building pcs for quite some time now and I would love to further my interests overclocking than I've already been doing/done, but with all this crap being feed to me, it's kind of hard to go ga-ga for anything don't you agree?
12-28-2006, 09:48 AM
Owen1978

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeaponX

1 - Expensive Boards - Since when have we been willing to shell out 400 dollars for a board with shiny lights and poor overclocking to boot? Wasn't the true goal of overclocking to take a relatively reasonable priced mobo/cpu/ram combo and get the most out of it (More bang for the buck!!)? Hell, I have a full time job, barely any expenses but I still hesitate and cringe at how the prices have risen so much in one year. 300 dollars for a so so motherboard or 249 dollars for a Nintendo Wii? hmm...

I agree, i think the true spirit of overclocking is slowly fading. Next thing they will do is invent a mobo that just requires you to drop in the cpu and it will do the rest!
12-29-2006, 01:24 AM
SafeFire

I can agree with that... Overclocking going from consumers pushing their hardware further than it was meant to, and thus saving money instead of buying more expensive hardware. To consumers buying more and more expensive hardware to push that expensive hardware even further with the use of other expensive hardware. Yep, the overclocking spirit sure is fading. Or, the original spirit that is, since what we know as overclocking today is already diffrent.
12-29-2006, 05:19 AM
falqon

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeaponX

I've been building pcs for quite some time now and I would love to further my interests overclocking than I've already been doing/done, but with all this crap being feed to me, it's kind of hard to go ga-ga for anything don't you agree?

Yeah, trust me I get the sentiment. I was just reading how the $200-$300 video cards account for 75% of the market share of cards sold, and the upper level cards account for less than 5% and it amazes me how people on forums really think the upper end is where anybody in the industry really cares.

It seems that the market is first supplying average buyer where a 965-DS3 or maybe an Infinity is plenty, and second going for the extreme high end niche market of the rediculous 680i. There really isn't much for the people inbetween average joe know nothing and kid in parents basement with daddy's credit card who somehow needs 2 gigabit ethernet ports? :rolleyes:

I think it's more mental than anything, it's so easy to buy performance these days. It used to be most overclockers spent ~$400 on a video card and tweaked it. Now there isn't much tweaking, because with SLI/Crossfire you just buy 2! Want a faster machine than your buddy, instead of working with what you have, Intel has an "enthusiast" lineup of processors that's more expensive than ever! Add in the insane power supply that feeds all of it, and the "gotta have" $200 cases and the high end market is just heads and shoulders above what the "average" person can buy. More so than I remember in a long time.

So what do average people do to compensate? Try to push there budget systems faster. I mean honestly, most motherboards out there support a 100% increase in speed for these processors, aren't we being awful hard on the industry when "gigabyte sux" for not maxing out cherry picked D9 memory at a 300% overclock? I think that simply more than ever, you have to pay to play.
12-29-2006, 04:16 PM
Turtle 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by falqon

Yeah, trust me I get the sentiment. I was just reading how the $200-$300 video cards account for 75% of the market share of cards sold, and the upper level cards account for less than 5% and it amazes me how people on forums really think the upper end is where anybody in the industry really cares.

It seems that the market is first supplying average buyer where a 965-DS3 or maybe an Infinity is plenty, and second going for the extreme high end niche market of the rediculous 680i. There really isn't much for the people inbetween average joe know nothing and kid in parents basement with daddy's credit card who somehow needs 2 gigabit ethernet ports? :rolleyes:

I think it's more mental than anything, it's so easy to buy performance these days. It used to be most overclockers spent ~$400 on a video card and tweaked it. Now there isn't much tweaking, because with SLI/Crossfire you just buy 2! Want a faster machine than your buddy, instead of working with what you have, Intel has an "enthusiast" lineup of processors that's more expensive than ever! Add in the insane power supply that feeds all of it, and the "gotta have" $200 cases and the high end market is just heads and shoulders above what the "average" person can buy. More so than I remember in a long time.

So what do average people do to compensate? Try to push there budget systems faster. I mean honestly, most motherboards out there support a 100% increase in speed for these processors, aren't we being awful hard on the industry when "gigabyte sux" for not maxing out cherry picked D9 memory at a 300% overclock? I think that simply more than ever, you have to pay to play.

I agree but hasn't Intel infact lowered the prices of the cpu's and not raised them. Seems to me the X6600 is a good bit cheeper than the X2's Amd was selling 6 months ago. Correct me if I am wrong. Intel has lowered the prices not raised them as you stated.
12-30-2006, 06:12 AM
falqon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Seems to me the X6600 is a good bit cheeper than the X2's Amd was selling 6 months ago. Correct me if I am wrong. Intel has lowered the prices not raised them as you stated.

I wasn't referring to the last 6 months. Rather the last 6 years, It used to be that Intel/AMD would release faster processors on a flatter curve, now we have "EE" and "FX" enthusiast models that cost a whole lot more.
12-30-2006, 06:35 AM
Viss

Maybe this sentiment discussion is better of in wamps. I was looking forward to see results of this board :D
12-30-2006, 07:27 AM
sdumper

Loc.o: Come on wheres the sport in that ;)
01-01-2007, 11:04 AM
MrDeeds

Is there really no additional info on this board?
01-01-2007, 03:34 PM
goatboy

Tony stated earlier that he is waiting on new BIOS before returning to this board.
01-03-2007, 10:08 AM
t-bone

has the board the C1 Chipset or C2 Chipset?
01-03-2007, 01:35 PM
deeznuts

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Originally Posted by t-bone

has the board the C1 Chipset or C2 Chipset?

I'm not sure but I think it's newer then C2, like v2.0 or something.
01-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Alexandrus

It's definitely C2, C1 is no longer available unfortunately.
01-03-2007, 04:14 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandrus

It's definitely C2, C1 is no longer available unfortunately.

No longer available...?

Grab a P5B-Del rev 1.03g and u'll find one... ;)
01-03-2007, 04:23 PM
Alexandrus

As in no longer available to buy as chips, dooh. Intel no longer produces them, thus P5B Deluxe 1.04g with C2.
01-03-2007, 04:34 PM
EnJoY

I hope you guys don't think there's any overclocking difference between C1 and C2 revision P965's....cause there really isn't. :stick:
01-03-2007, 10:54 PM
eva2000

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

I hope you guys don't think there's any overclocking difference between C1 and C2 revision P965's....cause there really isn't. :stick:

for core2 duo but what about core2 quad kentsfield ?
01-03-2007, 11:24 PM
Supertim0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

for core2 duo but what about core2 quad kentsfield ?

good point, im also interested to know
01-04-2007, 02:47 AM
bing

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

for core2 duo but what about core2 quad kentsfield ?

Eva, are you saying 965 C1 is better on kentsfield than C2 ?
01-04-2007, 03:14 AM
eva2000

i'm saying.. is there any diff for kentsfield C1 vs C2 :)
01-04-2007, 03:47 AM
Alexandrus

I doubt there is, I think it has more do to with the board design that with the chipset revision.
01-04-2007, 05:26 AM
|SiLA|

darn that's a huge vdroop there
01-04-2007, 09:59 AM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandrus

I doubt there is, I think it has more do to with the board design that with the chipset revision.

yes i agree, just look at how p5b deluxe can rock 400fsb out of kentsfield yet no other board can come close to that.
01-04-2007, 02:37 PM
ziberia

Got my Commando today. Initial testing, FSB 535 with E6600, Superpi 1M 10.469 sec. Looks promising.
01-04-2007, 02:56 PM
Dani

Me too, but my PSU blowed up with some lightning and smoke :D
New PSU tomorrow so I will report some more then.

Tony, any new BIOS yet?
01-04-2007, 03:53 PM
RichUK

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziberia

Got my Commando today. Initial testing, FSB 535 with E6600, Superpi 1M 10.469 sec. Looks promising.

Are they in the retail channel already?

I’m looking to get this board ASAP.
01-04-2007, 05:28 PM
jabski

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichUK

Are they in the retail channel already?

I’m looking to get this board ASAP.

Havent seen a date for it in the UK yet but did find this for the RD600 (ETA: 12/01/07) if you were interested ;)
01-04-2007, 06:27 PM
Speederlander

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

i'm saying.. is there any diff for kentsfield C1 vs C2 :)

C1/C2 refers to what here?
01-04-2007, 08:48 PM
alejo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speederlander

C1/C2 refers to what here?

It refers to the chipset revision.
01-04-2007, 08:49 PM
Speederlander

Quote:

Originally Posted by alejo

It refers to the chipset revision.

How can I "shop" for that...luck of the draw?
01-04-2007, 10:14 PM
alejo

Basically. But I would think that most newer P965 boards have the C2 revision. But you really can't tell until you boot up and check in CPUZ.
01-05-2007, 12:42 AM
erwinz

hey guys.. in our country the commando is available for order.. :) maybe 3-4 weeks to wait.. :( in 274 dollars.. :D

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