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Originally Posted by |RickY|
Nice so far Ricky!! :toast:
Are you going too use cap tube on stage 1 and 2 and cpev on 3. stage?
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Originally Posted by |RickY|
Nice so far Ricky!! :toast:
Are you going too use cap tube on stage 1 and 2 and cpev on 3. stage?
yes overklokk, bad ideia?
:toast:
No i dont hink so :)Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
I working on one right now and vil try captube stage 1 and cpev 2. and 3. stage. If thats not good i change too cap tube.
Stage 1 and 2 is upp and running. -45c stage 1 and -99c stage 2 so far...... hoping too get oilsep for stage 3 tomorrow. But i only hawe 1150 for 2.and3. stage :( wil try too get dome argon but i dont know if i can get it.
Argon is hard to get for YOU? :p: Isn't it widely available since it's used as a shielding gas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Overklokk
OT: It's good to see that Cryo-tek's theories are finally starting to have an impact on "top tier" builders such as yourselves. Hopefully, we'll see some awesome numbers coming from your machines :toast:
Argon is not hard too get but i am afraid that i myst by a hole bottle..... thats waste of money if i only need a little of it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Ahhhh...IC...Looks like your cascade's going to have to make a trip with you to your nearest automobile repair shop :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Overklokk
hehehe i'm thinking on the same! :D seems to be the only way to get just a litle of argon
Guys you can get tiny amounts of argon gas on ebay, about 300g if I remember correctly :).
hummm i'll check it :D
another thing, can someone find or know info about M089, substitute for r13b1?
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8453/oilzb9.jpg
oil @home :)
brettbeck: i found 390g argon bottles on ebay and uk shops :) need to find if my oxigen regulator from oxiturbo fits on that bottles
a regulator is about 30€.
http://www.afterbuy.de/images/23311/...regler14kl.jpg
Hehe, no Łukasz, Ratax has bought them from me :D .Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeXE
Veeerrryyy nice work Ricky :toast: .
I can't stand to see 3rd stage temps :D .
Peter
Yea those are the ones i've seen. But be carefull as some are Argon/CO2 mix. I think your regulator would fit, considering the size of the bottles are similar :).Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Hehe, I gave to sl4ck cpev as small present, so I thinked that RickY used that cPEV :PQuote:
Originally Posted by piotres
Nice work RickY, I want see nice temperatures :rolleyes: If not you gonna make for me two evaporators instead of one :slapass: :banana: :)
heheh
lukexe... we will made it for you... :S :D :)
well, a lot of work today,
2nd stage is ready and leak testing, just need to brase the old evap on this suction and finish soldering 3rd oil sep!
insulating is not finish, dont look @that mess.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6081/1ph3.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7832/2wi0.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5224/3ka9.jpg
trust-me, live it looks not so hugly has it looks on pictures :S
:toast:
Nice :D! But what's that random piece of pipe sticking up from the base lol :p:?
its to hold up the hx
Ahh yeah didn't realise it was making contact.
i have no words...
1st, i get out of r404a on midle of 1st stage filling, i need to use propane/butane mix from soldering bootle :D
well... it works... awsome compressors!!
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7005/1ststage4vh.jpg
i start 2nd stage, perfect!!
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8540/2ndstagete7.jpg
start 3rd stage with pure ethylene and... perfect!! -143ºc :o :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hi side pressures.... take a look, i need another gas or mix!
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8403/all4ws.jpg
the 3 or 4cm of backside hx insulation isn't enough... and inside hx's there is no insulation for now!
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1641/770640986pt.jpg
for 1st test, i'm stupid!
is there any probability of nitrogen work like argon, just to get that hi side pressure up and get better temps?
any other gas or mixes sugestion?
:toast:
wow ricky that is good work
Time to play with nitrogen and some load ;)
Awesome, more issulation on HX and you will reach -150°c ;)
regards
work of art Ricky, i cant wait to see it finished! :)
Crazzy setup. Dont know much about Phase but do understand those negative Numbers :D
Congrats!!
Yo that's awesome ! :D What's the loaded 1st stage HX temp? 35% propane and 65% butane is funny.
I hope you get some R14 + R740 into that 3rd stage soon :)
-143C... outch I don't find the words buddy! :)
Holy Sh*t!!! :banana:
Now go and buy some R14 + R740 (Argon) ... I think about -160°C should be possible with this thing! ;) :toast:
Keep it up ... this cascade is really a masterpiece!!!
So this could get colder?
It can always be coolder (to a certain extent), just depends on how much money your willing to spend.
You have to consider $$ for every °C you lower the temps. It gets to a point where the few °C is not worth the money.
thanks ppl! i realy didn't expect this colder with ethylene :) need to find a way to get argon, nitrogen, etc to try some mixes :)
is realy awsome to condense ethylene on vacuum hehehehe i devenitly love this hx's 2nd stage has perfect pressures
:toast:
Amazing job Ricky :toast: Your are doing great :clap:
-143ºc :D great work :D
congrats m8 ;)
mig and tig welders use argon and can be found @ b o c here in the ukQuote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Awesome Ricky :D!
I remember seeing pc_ice using R50 (Methane) as a 3rd stage refrigerant ages ago and he got -150c IIRC. Depends what you can get hold of though.
With a cascade like this , whats the meaning of ln2 ? :banana: :clap:
Dont you purge with Nitrogen?Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
:toast:
Fantastic work, nothing that I wasnt expecting from my partner in bench :toast:
Can wait to put my CPUs under that cascade :D
True, specially considering most of X6800's start to cold bug at -140ºC or less. So -140ºC full load (I don't have any doubts that Ricky will achived that) will be the sweat spot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Athens[2004]
And we can bench for hours and hours :D
great 3stager ricky , looking forward off the tests on the X6800 and ure QX6700 ;)
This is sick Rickey :)
I started mine yesterday but it is not good. I only tested it load on a 6800 so dont know what it did unloded. I get -114c evap idle in win and this in win
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...i-5ghz-web.jpg
lol look at the speed fan temp... dont think thats right :(
Loaded with 05 the evap is -107c.... wil tweak the cascade more on monday too try too get better load :)
But yours is just awasom :)
Ricky do you have any frost pics :p:?
Rikey: Whats static pressure on stage2 and stage 3?
It's getting cold over there :shocked: , very very nice work Ricky :clap:
thanks ppl :)
overklokk, i dont know lol i put 5bar on each stage before start 1st stage but i need to get some off, it is overcharged
i'll check tonight
Tnx.Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
When wil you load test it?
WOW RICKY :clap: !!!
I'm don't know how Nitrogen will behave in the mixture, but could it be possible to obtain a small amount of it from a paintball shop? I've heard they use Nitrogen now in some of those paintball guns. The problem would be how to get them from the cartridges into the cascade :p:
load test soon :)
s7e9h3n nitrogen i can get easy soon :) argon i think i'll test argon/co2 sl4ck have, 80%argon 20% c02... just to test
Co2 bad bad bad!
Dry ice at those temps!
:D?wtf?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha
Ln2 runs out, this cascade will not.
yes i know but it's just a litle of c02 heheh
Is Nitrogen possible too use? Just a little just too get pressures upp?Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Wont the dry ice be flushed out with the other liquid(s) anyway?
Does Toshiba rotary comps use the same startup caps? I have one sitting in my garage, without a startup capacitor, and I was wondering how many farads I would need. Also need a little help with the wiring. I'll post some pictures afterwards if it's ok.
Sry but what about R14 + Argon? ... I would go for these gasses! :)
No nitrogen, no CO2, no dry-ice problems, no R50! ... just my 2 cents! ;)
R14 is a good choice yes, but the price stops most people from buying it. Who wants to spend a fortune on gas though, really?
@ brettbeck:
Yes ... that's true ... but what about small amounts? :)
The methane had no capacity to carry a load. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Brettbeck
Ricky and Pedro want this rig for benching at the best temps but carrying the biggest load.
R14 neither ...Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
That's not methan that hasn't any capacity to carry a load, but the systems you use with it...
Methan's enthalpy is 510 kJ/kg , R14 only 135.7 kJ/kg and ethylen 482 kJ/kg @1bar...
What about Argon? What hx temp must we hawe too condense argon or a r1150/Argon mix?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clemmaster
lol with highside in vacuum you can't hold any load (evap temp=hx temp)... add so much nitrogen or argon that your highsidepressure is at around 7bar...
Of course but they compensate each other
I'll quote myself here and add the number that was on the compressor: C-6RB137HI3AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big SturL
Still haven't recieved an answer, so if someones willing to help me out...
You won't/aren't condensing Argon in the cascade. Taken from this post (the whole thread is a pretty good read BTW):Quote:
Originally Posted by Overklokk
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=133
This theory was originally introduced here by Cryo-tek, but Mytekcontrols was able to explain it a bit better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mytekcontrols
If you want to use R740 properly you HAVE TO use R14 also! ;) imho!!
yes, but no problem testing, just to higher the hi side pression. only this must help.
i test some argon/co2 mix and no significant gain or loose but i got hi side from vacuum to 1bar+-
maybe argon without co2 help
i need r14!!!
Like we talked about before... getting the small amounts that we use can be difficult :( . I mean, even if you get a small bottle of some special gas... you would probably still need to buy an expensive regulator too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 404Power
Yeah I remember something being said about it not being able to hold load, shame it doesn't have more capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
Nıce work Rıcky
@ Brettbeck:
Regulators aren't that expensive! ;) You don't have any friends who may can give you small amounts, do you? :(
I bought some small 2kg CO2 bottles @ ebay! ^^
404Power - I suppose it depends really, I have known proper Ethylene regulators in this country sell for around the £200 mark :eek: ! Top of the range ones of course ;) . I could get Argon no problem at all, my dad has many friends who have workshops with full size Argon tanks for welding. I may need to get a small amount of Ethylene soon, so I will see how easy and cheap I can get it!
And for CO2... yeah you can often get nice bottles on eBay, but I think the problem in this country would be finding somewhere that will fill it for you. When I think about it, I don't know if BOC (our main gas supplier) would fill a random gas bottle if they don't know any data about it (ie pressures). And knowing them, it would almost certainly need to pass safety procedures before they would give it you.
If there is no inspection sticker on the tank, yes it will have to pass inspection. They may let you do a trade in.
For heavens sake ... UPDATE PLEASE!!! :D
Wanna see this baby in action with some more XS-like gasses @ 3rd! :D ;)
i try one e6800, it can do near -115 load -120 idle, i need another freons. need to get some euros :)
The board we used was the EVGA 680i - there must be some kind of a problem with VCore Mod since it crashes if more than 1.8v is used (don't even reboot without pushing the reset button).Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Anyway with with ethylene on 2nd and 3rd stage, Ricky's monster cascade give 5.100Mhz SuperPi and 3DMark 2001 benchable with "just" 1.8v on VCore
Here is a screen cap ..
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/5100SuperPI.jpg
Nice work Ricky, now we just need R14 for -140 load :toast:
when i mod that board 1 resistor burns... i substitute that resistor and it comes alive but dont work good @more than 1.8v. or that cpu is no good with voltage or that board isn't ok or are not nice as overclocking board. another strange thing is that cpu runs pi @ same top speed it runs 3dmark
another thing, evap and cpu contact is no good, need to try better, but there is a good possibility that only becomes better with cpu lapping, but that is another fly...
with another cpu i got the same temps on cpu with the same evap @ less 15ºc
need to finish this cascade and get some hardware to burn as i like! i just start making cold becouse i need to get more mhz and i'm losted on compressors etc lol
:toast: :toast: :toast:
looking good so far guys :) , now get a other mobo and some R14
Ricky I think some chips don’t like volts, I know my E6600 didn’t boot after 1.8vcore.
I say try r50/1150 blend for the 3rd stage, does r50 run in the gas pipes in your county.
Brettbeck try getting a hydrogen regulator as they cheaper for the ethylene bottle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brettbeck
Does any one remember what load temps pcice got with his xx/1150/r50 cascade? loaded temps were close i think to what ppl got with r14 3 stage cacades?
:rofl: how do you people afford this stuff :rofl:
PC Ice got -125C load with 155 watts of load.
yes, i'm thinking on methane, i'v a powerfull 2nd stage i'll try it, 2nd stage is arrownd @ -115ºc load
just watch out with the methane ;), since most PT chart have a logaritmic scale it doesn't seem that bad but when you convert it to linear scale it looks almost like a delta function around >-100*C
R14 will give a much more reliable result.
A while ago I build a cascade with the same rotary's as you now did, when the compression ratio was to high or the suction pressure was too low they would overheat and shut down, not very much fun when it is the high stage compressor that shuts down, I can tell you that :D
when i got some methane we will see :D.
for now, compressor temp after some hours of benching stay close to ambient, that is awsome.
my pressures loaded are:
stage freon low / hi (psi) temp loaded +-
1st propane big vacuum / 95 -62
2nd ethylene big vacuum / 90 -115
3rd ethylene big vaccum / vaccum -115
let's wait for methane and r14 to re-tune
:toast:
:shocked: rotorys close to ambient? now that is extraordinary, did you appliedthe |RickY| tweak? (lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
maybe ambient is wrong, but no more than 30ºc, i can get my hand on compressor for hours, pedro_rocha can confirm :D and yes, i stay :O too hehhe
OMG, vaccum on hi pressure LOLLLL. First time I see that :woot: .Quote:
Originally Posted by |RickY|
Haha makes sense, ones evaporating in the vacuum producing temps that would liquify the same gas at just a bit more pressure. :P
Sure I know that ;) ...but that cascade is "horrible-monsterous" :slobber: .Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
Quote:
Originally Posted by kayl
Thanks for the advice kayl :). I heard about people using the hydrogen regs for ethylene before. I also read somewhere else that you can use the hydrogen ones for stuff like methane and ethane too. I suppose the fitting and pressures would all be the same :).
yes i also heard that also, h2 is alot pressure ;) gets me thinking one day i should do a 3 stage cascade and try my luck with r50 as i have the regulator here just to keep up with the rest of the xtreme members :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brettbeck
before is also doing a 3 stage cascade
the only thing with different regs is the bottle thread
all combustible gas in the UK come with left hand threads
Only with R290 into 1, and R1150 into both 2 and 3 stages ATM :) Will blend or try other gases later. Thx kayl for you thoughts about captube lengths. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by kayl
i use nitrogen regulator for ethylene with an adapter to fit the bootle.
one photo pedro takes when i'm assembling the gueto rig hahaha
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6817/mexp5.jpg
That's huge buddy! :D
Looks damn nice! :D :slobber:
But PLZ go now and buy some R14 + Argon .. I want to see this baby powered up! :D
Only problem I would have, quite rightly though, would be my dad probably wouldn't let me use a regulator not designed for a specific gas, (at least in this house!) or an old regulator. If a technitian at BOC said it was perfectly safe, i'd be allowed. HE insisted I got the latest BOC ones for my brazing kit, purely for safety aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayl
Hehe I agree, but maybe it's working out really expensive for him to get hold of the gases!Quote:
Originally Posted by 404Power
dudes, i'm working on getting r14 and/or methane. i'm waiting for prices from a friend and/or saving money to ask cold-ice for that freons :D
anyway, today i change evap, i'v used my old cascade evap, now i'v mounted one my my new evaps.
new evap, new head hehe, vapo ls style, need to drill 775 holes to put it on cascade.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/918/24858165rt3.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/9687/56258959so8.jpg
:toast:
It's really big cascade, we are waiting to see some really nice results :toast:
Best Regards
heheh somthing like 80cm x 50cm and 60cm tall
:toast:
Ricky is that a chopping board holddown I see there :p:?
I tried that design before and didn't think about it. It doesn't actually clamp the evaporator lol :). Or is it not finished yet?
what is the material of the white parts?