nTune that comes on the supplied CD...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
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nTune that comes on the supplied CD...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
so why do i get 12k mb/s with singlechannel ddr800?^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
raiden
yes , but when apply , ntune needs to reboot ...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy
I never wrote singlechannel and ddr 800 :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiden Zero
it s dual channel and ddr2 @ 1150mhz 4-4-4
When I press apply,I always get this message:mad:
me , i cant go in this menu ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
I have been having hard time since yesterday I bougth this board.On default everything was fine.When it came to overclocking......oh man.In the begining I could not install ntune.I downloaded every last version(chipset drivers/ntune)and then instaled succesfully but it is not working(the problem above).I also can't run my memory @800-1T(memtest counts thousands of errors)when the same modules where running fine @1000 4-4-4-8 on 975x chipset.With 2T it seams to be ok but some short 32M spi runs I made,shows much slower times than 975x.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
I was impressed by the Vr-Zone clocking of this mobo..real world end users are looking a nightmare..have you tried the 'P20' BIOS PTG?
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
1.6v is a lot on air... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
Where did you acquire this bios might I ask? It is not yet available on eVga...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
@thebeast...why the "real world nightmare" comment? So far the board is behaving nicely for me. I suspect after having the board for a few days and taking your time with it that most will agree it's not a bad board at all...Trying to slam home the highest OC you can get right out of the box is going to be met with lots of disappointment on any new board.
Is your ram running fine on 1T?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy
The board has a small learning curve and require fiddling to get it to optimal speed. One could spend a few days playing with memory timing and ratios alone.
They have done a great job for out of the box "auto" performance as well.
Agreed...setup was a snap with this board. Figuring out "what" you want to do with the memory is going to be the most time consuming aspect. there is plenty to play with...Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
@ PTG...seemed fine right up to about 800mhz...can't say for sure on anything at this point though till I have it for a few more days. 6~8 hours is no where near enough time get a handle on this or any other board...
Sorry to tell FUGGER but I feel disapointed.Can't boot under440fsb and I can't adjust it from Windows.Also without 1T can't reach 975x performance.
I dont even want to change motherboard if nobody can show that it performes the same clock for clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
If not then it is just a STUPID hunt for Higher fsb without any performance gain.
Thus you pay more in power bill because you run 4.5 Ghz instead of 4. Ghz on a 975 but performance is the same???? :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:
does it natively support QUAD SLI??? (7950x2)
And would 7950 x 2 be competitive to 8800gtx x 2??
Higher FSB allows users with low end Conroe processors to reach a decent speed.
There are FSB holes above 400FSB, you need to jump out to 500FSB, try like 2020, 2040, 2060, 2080 bus speeds.
Dont over-volt, stick to around 1.5v on FSB, MCP, SPP
Not sure yet Charlie, hopefully someone will test soon.
Just tryed enything between 1780 to 2100.NO GO for me.And why my mouse pointer jumps around desktop when in high cpu clocks(sure under 3500Mhz).Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Only good thing with this board is that can run my memory @3-3-3 but always on 2T witch still sucks in performance.I am missing my AW9D-MAX that could do 470+fsb:(
We accidentally set a 6300 CPU to 3300Mhz - 550 FSB x6 - while waiting for Pedro to pick up the mobo. Orthos stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by wtkprol
Please forgive my stupidity, didnt take any pictures or screenshots.
This motherboard is the real deal. I'll have some registered results soon. :yepp:
With what voltages:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geek77
...There are FSB holes above 400FSB, you need to jump out to 500FSB, try like 2020, 2040, 2060, 2080 bus speeds....
Is your ram running fine on 1T?
....Sorry to tell FUGGER but I feel disapointed.Can't boot under 440fsb and I can't adjust it from Windows.Also without 1T can't reach 975x performance.....
All these quirks dont make me feel that confident about purchasing this board.
The 'learning curve' sounds more appropriate than 'nightmare' i must admit,but ive come from sending back 3 x ASUS' (2 P5B deluxes and a P5WDH)
and i dont want to mess around so much for an overclocked, stable platform again.
>shrug< i do want this board..i'll just hang back and see how the idiosynchroses pan out.Good luck. :)
Does clockgen work with this mobo? :)
on intel you always run 2tQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
I am running 800/1T if i go up to 1Ghz+ it will need to drop to 2T for stability.
Sounds like a nice horror story thus far :woot:
I like the idea of unlinked RAM though, so when there's a few more mobos to choose from & the prices drop from their heavens, i might consider one of these 680i babies.
I should have some results up next week if one of my people dont fail me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Is it designed to do that, i thought the it would do the changes on the fly :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
I was going to get one of these boards, but now i will wait. its seems people who have ordered the board are finding OC'ing more difficult than those who got samples of the board, it could be a bios update issue.
And that's why I finally pulled the trigger on one from ClubIT. Nice to see Perdro's screenie with the memory options. I'm a little wary of the FSB holes you mentioned and I'll probably get another 680i when a winner emerges from the OC friendly mobo makers, but in the meantime this will be fun to tweak and prep a bit on. :D Next weekend I should have the mobo unless CLUBIT is serious about the 5-7 days shipping even though we're both in the Golden State California..Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Are you sure about that?Its the first time I hear that:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
I also tryed enything between 2100 to 2280.Always got a reset.Only works between 1700 to 1760.Maybe its my cpu(E6600),but I will not change it because the mobo doesn't like it:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geek77
so what is the max fsb@1T
So whats the dea lwith the backplate and cap.?
I have the backplate on, system is running fine, forgot to check if its touching tho :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/MontadaNaVapoSLI.jpg
Mounted on the VapoLS - update with some 3D benching in post # 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Depends on your memory, running some "beta" OCZ at 910 1T at this time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
It is until they fix the drivers. ;)
Should I wait till Abit IN9 X32-MAX or buy this as upgrade to my Asus P5W DH?
well the chipset hasnt exactly fully lived up to its hype with the current bios's.
Abit claims this and that, but yuo should wait for a review of the abit.
Abit is scheduled for @1 2007 (january actually) so you will be waiting.
Till now from what I have been reading,the max fsb has to do with the cpu u are using and it might be alot deferent in same model of cpus.Thats really strange.
Pedro, try this.
Unload the video driver and then reload it, doint touch anything just bench. I think you are taking a pretty good size hit on nature.
Thanks Charles, I will try that ..Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
But I already notice that Nature must be the first test to run - if you run anything after windows boot the nature score is heavy penalizade. So that reload drivers tweak makes sense, must allow Nature not to be the first thing to run after boot up.
BTW : Re-run 2001 with just the very basic LOD tweaking and here is the result :
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/826...00GTXstock.jpg
Also as you can see, if ATITool 025b16 pre7 is used you already see the correct memory speed and not half speed as in previous versions ..
Put that CPU on cascade and let's see 100K :D
This is the dream board for 775 now. I hope the 650i boards will be more affordable but almost as overclockable :)
That's interesting. On AM2/NF590 I and many others walled around ddr800 or so. Blamed the memory controller. Seems to be an Nvidia chipset limitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
You dont have to reload the driver each time, just wanted you to start at a known reference point of best nature before tweaking.
Good to see you picked it up quite a bit and looking forward to cascaded cpu.
so how is 3D/sPi performance clock for clock vs. 975x?
This is my concern also..Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
In Superpi the performance may be a little inferior, but I am not a big fan of superpi.
In 3D, specially with Nvidia graphics cards, the performance is superior given the full PCIe 16x and the Link Boost architecture.
But these board just came out, of course the developement stage of the 680i and the 975x can not be compared
However the unliked memory feature have a lot of potencial for superpi fanatics, since allow using exactly the sweat spot for CPU and memory speed.
HI! PedroQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha
What is the max fsb stable for this motherboard?:confused:
I have a E6600,and with my p5bdeluxe the fsb is 520
@ Fugger and Pedro...The two of you are using (or have used) 6800 Extremes. Do you notice when first booting after making bios changes that the indicated bus speed is off when using a multiplier other than factory...i.e on an E6600 if I set FSB to 1850 as an example (462mhz effective) at factory multi of X9 it boots and shows in the post screen 462 X 9 (4158mhz net). If I change the multi to X8 the post screen shows 518 X 8...change to X7 and the post screen shows 593 X 7 and change to X6 the post screen shows 692 X 6. The bios is trying to maintain the overall system frequency od 4158mhz by adjusting the bus which in turn creates some crazy FSB numbers...
I think this is why we are seeing the "dead spots" which fugger has mentioned (and I too have seen plenty) as the system simply cannot boot at whatever frequency it is generating. There is a huge range that simply will not post without going to safe defaults so you can't see what the bus speed is that it's trying to use during boot. 1850mhz happens to be one that shows the crazy speeds during post but will not boot to windows on my system...
Just curious if the unlocked multiplier on the 6800 generates the same results.
on intel 965 or 975 chipset im sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
@ fugger can you do a comparison between 800 1t and 2t?
I'm not sure why some people are dissing this board. The bios takes some getting used to. But it's a very solid board, once you start figuring things out.
And 1T does make a difference.
2T
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4...50x112tui0.jpg
1T
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4421/8m350x111tfi4.jpg
Stability testing at 1T
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6...s37521tke7.jpg
Times are not great because memory speed was only 350MHz. Running 1T gets a little squirrelly at 400MHz. But at lower speeds, everything is fine.
hey sierra_bound would you happen to have an E6400 :D could you please show us the maximum OC? :) pretty please.. ;)
Sorry, don't have a E6400. My X6800 does 4GHz easily on air.
FSB seems to top out around 450. A new bios would probably help a lot.
The thing that people need to keep in mind is that the first bios on any new board is usually not very good. I remember the initial bios for the P5B Dlx was so-so. If people had made a judgement about that board based on that initial bios, they would have missed out on a lot of fun.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
yup yup.. :D
tnxs.. hope the new bios arrives and it be equal to the 965 in fsb.. :) that will be a monster board.. :D
I agree! The key is figuring things out. The good news is that the learning curve isn't that steep. With a new bios things can only get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
I'm glad to see that you have this board and are having success with it. Please keep posting the screen shots as I believe it indirectly helps us all simply by showing what this board is capable of. :up:
edit: Sierra what memory are you using with the 680i?
I'm using Team Xtreem TXDD2048M1800HC5DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoNuff
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=117453
How do Pi times compare to i975x? It seems like 1M is virtually even, how about longer calcs?
975X boards are faster in Pi. Kyosen did some tests with 680i/965/975X.
8M @ 444-445X9
680i - 2mins 47secs
P5B Dlx - 2mins 41secs
P5W DH - 2mins 32secs
Thanks for the first "real" insight on 1T vs 2T, sierra :up: It seems like everybody else that has this board, is just too preoccupied with SLI, pushing new memory tunning features of this chipset aside at this moment. On a side note, why am I not too surprised, that 1T doesn't hold too far beyond DDR2-800. At least it could be a good advantage of board to come ahead in reviews (compared to other 775 mobos), when tested at stock :D
Can you shed some light, on how much is asynchronous (or rather FSB-independent) memory overclocking really worth on this board? Have you tried to push memory to the max on this mobo yet? Would it really be a better clocker (frequency and latency-wise) than P5B DLX? I know it's an early BIOS, but some conclusions can be already drawn, right? :)
Thanks :toast:
At this point, the P5B Dlx is better for memory overclocking, probably because of a more mature bios. I was able to do DDR2-1170 with this board. I'm still trying to figure out the asyncronous memory overclocking. The board wouldn't boot with some of the settings I tried.
If overclocking fails on boot-up, it will just tell you to go to bios, or proceed with default settings. I have not had to clear the CMOS yet. Sometimes it will hang during boot-up. Powering off and on the PSU fixes that.
No cold boot issues with this board, which is good.:)
As Pedro mentioned, this board is probably better for 3D than Pi. But I like the option of running 1T.
thanks for the info, but why cpu-z shows 570sli?Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
OK, I think I figured a few things out. Was able to do DDR2-1312, running memory independent of FSB.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6836/ddr21312hq1.jpg
Since CPU-Z won't show memory timings and speed on this board, I had to use the Nvidia monitoring utility. Also had to use yucky timings.
the Nv monitor gives false information ...Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
http://users.skynet.be/pt1t/evga/evga_Orthos_450X8_.PNG
When you get a chance, sierra, can you do some more detailed testing on that? E.g. compare results (perhaps higher Pi calculation) at lower mem speed up to the highest you can achieve, so we could see if gains are always there? Or also, compare that DDR2-1312 to running ratio, e.g. 437x8 at 2:3, which would be close to your max above? Therefore we would be able to see how it stacks up? What timings are those - x-6-6-5.0 ? What about x-4-4-4.0? Better or the same as on P5B DLX?Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Thanks for your time, sierra :up:
DDR2-1312 is what I set in the bios. So are you saying the bios also gives false information? I don't use nTune to overclock. I set everything in the bios and also make mental notes of those settings. Occasionally Nv Monitor will give false readings for a second. But the settings you see above are what I entered in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
I was running 5-5-5-8. I can do DDR2-1190 @ 4-4-4-8 and DDR2-1200 @ 5-4-4-8. I will do more testing in the coming week.Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
no i think bios gives true informations, but nothing under windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
DDR2-1321 corrupted my OS last night. I'm running Orthos now at DDR2-1201 (5-4-4-8). So far, no problems.
With 2.8v, I think I could do DDR2-1400.
Thanks sierra for your time and testing! :clap:
It seems that this board is quite nice. Even if the 500+ fsb's aren't easy as of yet (maybe other 680i boards or newer bios will solve this) its performance is on par with 965/975 bords. My only concern about evga's offering is regular bios updates.
Only if all these 680i boards didn't follow the NV reference layout. Makes SLI+wc'ing+pci sound= :nono:
Here is DDR2-1201 @ 5-4-4. Orthos stable. In the coming days, I will test to see how high I can clock my Team Xtreem with Orthos stability.
Large FFT's, 1024MB. DDR2-1201 is what I set in bios. As you can see, Nv Monitor is showing weird numbers. I just set a CPU overclocking record - 1,334,352MHz. :slobber: :D
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8...1201544zd5.jpg
EVGA 680i
X6800 (retail)
Team Xtreem TXDD2048M1800HC5DC
Tuniq Tower 120
Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
hehehe congratz on the WR.. :D
tnxs for sharing mate.. ;)
Sierra, I'm pretty sure that's an fsb record too. NV monitor is equally useless for clocks on my evga as well.
Yes, a record-setting board.:D ;) The DDR2-1312, however, is real.
I think I'll be able to run Orthos higher than DDR2-1201. Even though timings weren't great (5-4-4), it's still a good start. Running Orthos at DDR-1200 is much harder than doing 32M at that speed.
I will post an updated screenshot when I get more results, hopefully with correct speeds in Nv Monitor.
Some updated Orthos results.
DDR2-1214 @ 5-4-4
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4...1214544wb4.jpg
DDR2-1271 @ 5-5-5
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7...1271555yc5.jpg
I would run Orthos longer. But because I'm testing a lot of different settings, it would take a year to do 8-hours for each test.
just reached ddr 1200 @ 5-4-4-12 with 2.425volts.......looks good so far.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1802/untitledib6.jpg
So no one has tried putting a waterblock on the NB? :confused:
Does 4GB of Ram ( 4 x 1GB ) influence the OC ?
it usually does, yes....makes it harder to clock as high with only 2 x 1gbQuote:
Originally Posted by Xptweaker
does evga release new bios ?
supposed to be released this week was what i remember reading on here.
been reading a while and just ordered one. just want to get some confirmation is it any cpu heatsink with blackplate mounting cannot be used in this evga?
I wonder how this mobo will compare to the new asus 680i solutions.
I use a backplate with a Tuniq Tower 120. As long as the backplate has some sort of pad and the legs are elevated a little, you should have no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanko
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=123146Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedaname
amazingly overclocks well
so would it help to add the additional 2x1gb afterwards to have a total of 4gbs?Quote:
Originally Posted by icon57
1) I have a 449FSB limit that other people also have ( ignoring holes which is another issue)
2) 3d performance is poor compared to 975 unless 1T with linked ratio that is also in sync and then it is better by a small amount.
3) ntune does not work for me at all.
Regards
Andy
thanks for your reply. i noticed that the review did by anandtech used Tuniq too. too bad i hardly find it here. currently all i can figure out is scythe ninja rev 2 where it doesn't need backplate mounting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
I am running a DD Maze4Quote:
Originally Posted by qdemn7
And for you guys asking about the P20 BIOS. It is in final testing and should be released this week. :banana:
http://i14.tinypic.com/446yrl0.jpg
That's good news, I'm getting my evga 680i tomorrow :)
Does it allow higher 1T speeds?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
2 days, still playing with air:) ....I will keep tryin..
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8...shot026ti7.jpg
Slower than 975X with same settings..
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5...shot027gg5.jpg
Yes it does allow 1T timings, although, memory 800MHz and higher may have a difficult time being stable at 1T.
Try to find the best tweak for this EVGA 680i and the 8800GTX - here a few runs with:
- CPU @ 4.5Ghz cooled by Vapo LS
- SINGLE EVGA 8800GTX stock cooler @ 635-1000
2001
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/732...0GTXSingle.jpg
2005
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/213...0GTXsingle.jpg
Think is not to bad for single graphic card with stock cooler ;)
He meant does it allow higher 1T speeds than what we seem to be seeing. The wall for 1T right now seems to be around 800mhz...Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
What I want to know is if it adresses all of the FSB holes/dead spots we are seeing.
If you raise and lower the FSB and memory frequencies in increments of 5 (1505, 1510, 1515), you should have no problems. At least I haven't since I started doing that. For memory overclocking I would recommend running "Unlinked".
Yes, but you are using a 6800...people that seem to be having fewer dead spots are those running the extremes. I've used the 5mhz jumps to no avail on a 6400 and a 6600. Between the two the dead spots are in the same area. On the 6400 I was able to start an orthos session at 468mhz which failed and there after was never able to return to it so it was an unusable/unrepeatable area. I just got lucky being able to boot there in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
The problem with unlinked is that it slows the system down compared to 975. To give better than 975 performance ( at least slightly ) you have to run linked and SYNC which gives the half memory speed as per 975.
I have the 449 FSB wall as well, however my Crucial Balliastix will run 1T up to 449 no problem.
Regards
Andy
what are you using to cool the SB?Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
Difference between linked and unlinked is marginal.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Linked
8M = 3m 11.797s
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/434...nkedip2.th.jpg
Unlinked
8M = 3m 12.610s
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/537...nkedje6.th.jpg
I'm using XP SP2, so times aren't that great. But if you want very high memory speed, you almost have to use unlinked mode on this board.
Maybe for Spi but for 3dmark2001 you get a big hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Unlinked 12x300 800 Ram = 47700
Linked sync 12x300 800 RAM = 48200
500 points takes another 100Mhz FSB to get back to level so unlinked you have to run 400x9 800 to get 48100 or so.
I lost over 10fps in lobby low and similar amount in lobby high.
Regards
Andy
That's interesting. I don't run 3DMark anymore. I mainly test with Pi and occasionally run Orthos, just to satisfy the stability freaks.;)
I just tried 400X9 linked & unlinked with memory at 533. They were virtually even again in 8M.
I tried booting in linked mode with memory at DDR2-1200. Got the infamous long beep. I switched to unlinked mode and booted at DDR2-1280 with no problems.
I'm testing with Corsair 6400C3 at the moment.