Isn't it nice to see one of the FIRST decent PCI-e Slot layouts ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phosphate
Check it out
This has to be the way forward for all Chipset & Motherboard layouts. Eventually, PCI will just fade out like ISA did.
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Isn't it nice to see one of the FIRST decent PCI-e Slot layouts ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phosphate
Check it out
This has to be the way forward for all Chipset & Motherboard layouts. Eventually, PCI will just fade out like ISA did.
Hoping I'm not barking up the wrong tree, DFI's RD600 Layout appears to have changed somewhat;
From this:
First Layout
To this:
New Layout
It sure would be nice to know why?
Maybe to terminate the PCI-e bus correctly or a chipset issue?
Shame about the split SATA headers for it. Top ones could have been made USB to put all 4 SATA on bottom edge.
Utopia...not a chance in this life........
*Edit - The KARAJAN Sound module was not inserted on First Layout Pics at time of photo. Header is present on mobo with AUX Phonos as well*
Certainly has changed, maybe adressing vga heat issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I much prefer the second layout over the first...In fact this is by far the best layout for double video cards that I have seen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Yeah it's just to increase the slot spacing I imagine. Leaving only one slot between each PCI-E x16 connector was pretty silly; the new layout is much better.
...Definately....just a shame about the SATA Split!Quote:
Originally Posted by sdumper
agreed, you definately loose 2 SATA ports if you got a 2 slot cooler on the 3th vga
new slot layout WTF.. for sure done for better cooling.. me thinks. :)
I wonder how the driver support wil be... since this is ATI's last chipset for intel and AMD-ATI.
I'm really looking forward to this board.DFI is a real OC supporter, unlike ASUS.And for those of us with x68, OC options such as high vcore in bios are more important than FSB heights...
Not quite m8....FSB = X Mb/sec Memory Bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by mykeos
FASTER FSB's = Even more Mb/Sec Memory Bandwidth - on Intel based PC's.
Thats the thing with Intel Rigs...The faster the FSB, the Higher the Mem Bandwidth & the Faster your PC will perform. It'll be very very Interesting to see what happens to Mem bandwidths when Intel release their Next Gen of CPU's in 2007 with their OWN on-board Memory Controller. AMD Systems need HIGH multipliers for better Performance/More Mem Bandwidth. Fast FSB's on AMD systems make very little difference, but do enhance things slightly.
Playing with an Opteron 170 & 175 side by side showed this so blatently. The Opty 175 on a 10 Multiplier instead of 11, gave EXACTLY the same bandwith as the Opty 170 on a 10 multiplier, & the Opty 175 was on a Faster FSB @ 10 X multiplier. The difference was within 20Mb/Sec or so which you can right-off during bench to bench. You can drop the Multiplier on an ES Intel CPU & see the Memory Bandwidth STILL increase despite the lesser Multiplier:)
Just to add, the info above apertains to DDR Based systems. DDR2 is another equation all together & is something I will be experimenting with when I get this board. We shall see.
With DDR3 & Rambus2 round the corner, the cake you eat will be a different kind....thats for sure! DDR2 was a bit like AM2 socket AMD CPU's. It was a BIG party no one really went to, but everyone that went, emptied their wallet ;)
Incidently, ATI already have made their RD600 Chipset work with DDR3, but there is no version of this board untill 2007 & rumour on the Web has it this DFI RD600 Based Mobo will be the ONLY one ever using the RD600 chipset. It probably has someting to do with Copyrights on 1333 Strapping from Intel. These 1333 fsb based CPU's wont be available untill 2007 & bearing in mind Rambus2 (Intel Technology), the road map is already laid out for more wallet emptying. :eek:
It would be nice to see Rambus2 floor the rest, Rambus did on its second Gen modules & Rambus still floors DDR2 in certain areas of 3DMark 01, (check your FPS figures at certain points of Benchmark) which is just purely, a Memory Bandwith intensive application. 3Dmark 03/05/06 loved AMD CPU's with FAST Multipliers. I reckon there will be some hit for Intel using their own onboard Memory Controllers, or another version of CPU to overcome the slow-ness as we saw with Intel Socket 423 CPU's. Socket 478 technology was a breath of fresh air by comparison.
The money spent by companies like Intel, developing their technologies, .....has to be borne by punters like us!
I've been sat on an Intel CORE DUO 6600ES for about two & a half months now.....waiting for the right board. I've just got to the point where I'm fed up of taking it in the Ass. PC's depreciate MORE than friggin' cars!
*edit* -B!tch-moan over...........I'm getting too old for this crap............F'k it, I'm off to spin out! :dj:
:confused: @ Kin.
What's the score about DDR2? Everyone's buying it now (eg: It's on all new boards) . :slap:
And why you are on about Rambus? Everyone hates those sneaky bastards.
And we all know that Ddr3 will never show on a RD600....
FSB is always good especially with dual core and multitasking :)
On AMD, FSB made a pretty big difference with barton chips but that all changed after that, partly why I never bothered much with A64.
Ive used ATI chipsets before with an 805 and the async was usefull but dont expect gigantic increases from pushing the memory further unless the rig really needs it, ie. multitasking, etc
lol why do people hate Rambus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodle
:D The grand slam will be the independent working RAM........., no multis and no dividers...........:banana:
:toast:
I'm not so sure your comments are really worth replying to.....but you got another post racked up eh! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodle
Perhaps if you had experience with a Decent Rambus setup, you'd know what I was on about! DDR2 was released to topple Rambus in performance & Price. Rambus was & still is very expensive. So far as DDR3 goes, why have ATI bothered utilising DDR3 with the RD600 Chipset? So far, all we know from the Web is this RD600 chipset isn't going to be used by any other Mobo maker other than DFI & nor will RD600 ever support Intel again. DDR3 will be DDR's next hope at keeping Rambus2 at bay, so hold on to your hat. I'm sure the Intel Roadmap regarding supporting RAM technologies is already well laid out. Probably so much so, this is one of the reasons along with 1333 Strap being slower than 1066 Straps - again tied in with Intels Muscle on protecting their investment in their technological developments.
Dunno m8y...it's a shame they know no better really!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesAvery22
Hopefully, this'll be the big one - nVidia didn't get it right, just like their cr4p SLI. It's never been right & thats why Quad SLI is as crap as it is. Unified drivers my Fat Arse! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by camouflage
any news on the release date?
;) Yes, chances are hi it's coming out even this year.............:ROTF: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Senater_Cache
Not so shore abaut that,2 or 3 week is max for review of this mb.;)
Don't you just Love links like this crap..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Spacemaster
Yugoslavia aint ur day to day choice of language.......
Strange this is...I didn't see a sinlge pic of a DFI RD600 based MoBo anywhere......
Any chance you could be bit less, er........Cryptic!?
Dfi + Conroe = Crap
WOW.......Pick a fight why dont'chya! :shoot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dax5
Hmm... I though posting without facts was crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dax5
but with all the reasons you gave, you must be right :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Dax5
Back it up genius... :slap:
Hey you knobs, I'm getting email after email alerting me to this thread because you walking penis's with ears haven't left the school playground yet... gimmie a f#cking break
The NDA isnt till the 8th I think, so unsub and come back in a week
is there by any chance a usual ballpark average-time between NDA lifts and actual availabilty in the PC-Hardware industry?
Posts like this get threads locked and users warned/banned....don't post them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundersausage
They're entertaining though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Anyway will the RD600 be the "one"? Who knows. I highly doubt it will give me a high enough fsb to bench a reasonably priced CPU (read: 6600) on DICE without terrible performance *965SUCK I'm looking at you*
..............
Yeah...the quote above is to the point with a bit of an "acute" angle, but ffs, when you get muppets like:Quote:
Originally Posted by gundersausage
Dax saying: "Dfi + Conroe = Crap"
And Spacemaster, (Obviously somewhere on another Planet) saying what he said; I kinda like Gundersausage's Remark!
Look back at the history of the Thread try to understand Gunders'sos's feelings! We have all been waiting patiently & I can sympathise. After all, a couple of "dicks" with ears just did post to equally ban-able sh1t - stirring posts. They are, way way off Topic. :slapass:
something tells me, youre gone.. if not, what a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundersausage
er....why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
You got a ramrod up ur pooper or summat?
Don't you have any sense of humour at all?
We are all different m8y now lets ALL cool down & get back to waiting eh!? :)
i got a great sense a humor. However, talking to mods or admins like that isnt exactly the brightest thing to do around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Wow... how will I sleep tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
You do realise this is a site for enthusiasts who most likely know how to change their email, IP addy and waltz straight back in undetected :rolleyes:
It aint the Best thing to do in ANY forum as most 14 year olds arn't old enough to have developed a sense of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
Thankfully, these forums are patrolled by more mature Admin compared to some!
My money's on the admins like FUGGER being smarter than you.
:stick:
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Originally Posted by gundersausage
The lips of wisdom are sealed except to the ears of understandingQuote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
:D Is this new benching contest in abusing others...............:confused:
I dont know, the 8800 is out soon with a similar NDA and people speak as if the card will be available on the day of the NDA lifting but I find that hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Senater_Cache
The sod of all this is, if it is all down to the NDA & If the DFI board can offer full 1333 Strapings with the faster performance over a 1066 STRAP;Quote:
Originally Posted by 775911
Then perhaps we wont see this board until the nest gen of 8*** 1333 STRAP CPU's hit the market & that isn't happening until end of first quarter 2007 according to Intels RoadMap. Another solution is of course, DFI release the board with 1066 STRAP Bois & then we can surf the Web for a Leaked Bios file, which could be made available anyhow when the 1333 CPU's are released! ;)
I guess DFI will have already considered this option because by end of first quarter 2007, other board manufacturers will have caught up!
Also, having said this, Web rumor & conjecture has it, RD600 won't support Intel again so maybe they will wait to show them what this chipset is all about.
C'mon DFI, make a decision. WE need this board now! :D
Well, can't wait any longer, ordered my P5W64-WS today...
680i will beat anyone until the bearlake comes in the end.
any info if it will be compatible with yorkfield/wolfdale? (ps: sorry 4 my bad english)
Not to be rude, but can we wait for facts. :fact:
:D I don't want facts - I want the board !!!:p:
Need it badly, my expectations are hi to top my best result so far:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=121704
:woot:
Hope you didn't bet too much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
were getting close.. :D 5 days to go.. :woot:
ROFL :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by gundersnag
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Originally Posted by erwinz
5 days until what?
What I say is onley sugestion,so if NDA of nv is 8.11,my thinking is that we can espest ATI 2-3 weeks after,that is my sugestion,not information that I have.Chears mates.
i THINK (and really HOPE) it wont even take that long. max 2 weeks after 680i.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spacemaster
DAAMIT knows how good 680i is and cant afford to lag behind.
+ DFI needs good boards after Infinity 975X beeing a real dissapointment
Have you guys noticed that over at DFI-Street, there are NO posts or questions being asked/answered about this board?? Kinda funny....:rolleyes:
at DFI-street they wait until after the board has been released to begin discussion.
Well I now know why, I started a thread complimenting DFI for the NF4 product and asked if & when there will be any info on the RD600 or 680i. The thread was deleted within 5 minutes. Now I remember why I stopped going over to dfi-streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
I've noticed that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
On another note, after 2 dead P5B's (possibly due to a bad PSU though) I'm ready to try a different board and I've had good luck with DFI in the past :)
Quote:
"Well I now know why, I started a thread complimenting DFI for the NF4 product and asked if & when there will be any info on the RD600 or 680i. The thread was deleted within 5 minutes. Now I remember why I stopped going over to dfi-streets."
I can also attest to that fact, my post didnt even have a chance, seems they are quite "anal" about requiring a "sig" over there.... It never made it to the boards....
I knida figured that "they" would have more info on the products, evidently i was SADLEY mistaken... So, from here on out i will rely on hear-say, vaporware-reports.....:rolleyes:
not quite, this is XtremeSystems. if something new comes along, big chance it shows up here first ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
But it's so long :(Quote:
Originally Posted by zert
.....the Maiden cried......:banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quentin
:D Haha - forbidden to them by cuttinng one finger each question.......:slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
The reason is that DFI-Street is a support community, and Travis refuses to support a board that isn't released yet. He won't answer anything about it, and he won't allow discussion on the subject.
Once it's realeased, ask away. You shouldn't need much support from them on a board that pretty much no one but Victor has.. ;)
Yeah, but most folk in here wanna know when the board is due to be released? They will HAVE to go to DFI Street for support AFTER it's release & it's well over-due now!Quote:
Originally Posted by dab420
If DFI leave it any longer, the board is gunno be out of date before they ever release it. :D
Not to mention, if they "refuse" to talk about it now, just what kind of "support" can people expect out of em??? Obviously the "Stalinistic" approace is doing well over there......:rolleyes:
:D Rename this thread into " Will the DFI RD600 be the ever released MB? " :stick:
The board is probably not going to be released at all now that AMD and ATI have fused. Because if ATI releases this board, it will cause more people to step over from AMD to Intel, and eventually cause AMD/ATI money. At least that is my theory...
daamit!
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Originally Posted by _Eduard_
makes sense... :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
LOL...yeah! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by camouflage
You might be nearer the mark than you think.....Quote:
Originally Posted by _Eduard_
I expect someone, - somewhere is bending right over for it! :slap:
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Originally Posted by _Eduard_
Isn't that breach of contract?
i think they should at least send you an email or private message as to why the deleted your thread for asking about a board release.dfi streets is actually the streets..no respect!
What about the price tag for this board?
Oh no, seems the trend over at DFI-Street is to just BAN anyone who posts, just because they have no system "sig".... Kinda like "Your papers appear out of order comrade, NO support fo you today!!"......:rolleyes:
I think they should release it, I mean they will still be making money off it.
For the record
The board is being released, i should have one this week as will DFI support staff for debugging. After that reviewers will follow.
DFI street has rules, how Angry enforces them is upto him but I will say you follow the rules you have no issues...simple fact...any more post bashing DFI street go straight to trash if I see them so be warned!!
I will try and get more info from LP USA to put your minds at rest.
Tony
how soon will it be in the retail channel...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
thanks for the update Tony
Personally, I like DFI street but at times they are a bit strict
thanks for the heads up Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
nice to hear the positive news. all these people here saying DFI wont release the board had almost gotten me.
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Originally Posted by nealh
You have to remember they get questions like...why won't this do that?... and they have no idea what board, cpu, psu etc you are running...that is why you have to have a sig.
You follow the rules and you will NOT have a hard time on there; trust me!
Retail i have no idea, final PCB was last week, boards should be in production now.
As I said I will try and get more soon.
T
im excited!
I'm with Tony, people forget is primarily a DFI tech support forum, letting people run loose without having rules causes a lot of needless posts while people help to try and solve the issue. They are not the marketing section of DFI, that's handled how DFI sees fit, working in tech is a seperate concern, the last thing you need is false hope being given to users before a board is released then have floods of emails requesting rma's due to some kind of miracle overclock not taking place. Further most people that are noobs to dfi boards, and overclocking with them can get great help at that site, at xs the majority are seasoned people who know their way around a bios or two. Testing done here by users on behalf of companies who supply them boards is different, as the needs of the users are not as typical as joe average, so simple screenshots of pi a few 3dmarks and a few bios voltage shots often suffice. The street is primarily for people who are stuck on hardware choices or can't get certain ram to work or need to check the database for overclock help. The more frequent users at the street have helped make it a lot more than just a database, follow the rules and you'll see. We need to realise that we can't treat every forum the same, each has it's use.
Back on topic, I'm hope we'll be seing this board retail by the end of the month, I think DFi has done it's work right and got the right people testing the board before release to help iron out any hard glitches.
regards
Raja
I have been excited for 9 months, now I'm just waiting, in a trance..
Thanks Tony, people are just curious and anxious, being left in the dark just plain stinks for some.
This month should be quite interesting with the release of Nvidia's 680i boards, 8800GTX's, DFI's RD600, Intel's Quad Extreme Chips and the finalization of Microsoft's Vista. Although, I still don't believe ATI's claim that the R600 is ready and just waiting for the release of Vista Retail. How can "DAAMIT" just stand there while Nvidia beats the bloody crap out of them for nearly 2 months? Funny, or just plain lies...
Thank's Tony, that was the "simple" answer i think everyone interseted in this board was looking for....:woot:
That's very good news. Thanks for the heads up Tony! :)
They do seem to have no concept of PR. No wonder Asus is dominating.
Here's what I want to know: Since nobody has one of these boards even this late in the game, on what basis does everyone think that this is such a great mobo? :confused: Is there any way to know or is this just an article of faith? :confused:
I still have my LanParty 775/875 - not sure what the hell to do with it since my 560J fried.
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Originally Posted by screwtech02
its an article of faith atm, great if it works out, and certainly some indicators are already in place.
but if people get false hopes that leads to dissapointment and unhappy customers..
regards
Raja
Thanks Tony & show NO mercy to Flamers @ DFI Street. Alot of forums could do with looking at the way DFI Street manage their slot. I'd rate DFI as a forum for the more Mature & their LP Series of boards are Second to none. These two credentials say it all, ..."E'nuff said."
It's gotta be 3 months waiting for me now & i'm sure, as well as others, ...."We wont be dissapointed!" :D
i have been a dfi user for a few years, and i love all the tweaking options that the LP boards usually have. So, if this board is anything like what they have made in the past, i am sure it will be worth the wait. I will definately be buying one as soon as it hits retail.
....and the guys on dfi-street are my friends and give excellent support, whenever i have needed it....
...a shout out to Tony for setting the record straight!
:D @Tony:
May the power be with You............:lsfight:
I am a member at DFI street and made as sig as per the rules...I never had any issues and in fact , I have been helped alot over there when I first got my DFI SLI-DR
I am looking forward to there new mobo..as I need something for this e6600 L628A266 sitting on my desk
Same for me, same board even & same sh1t with E6600 sitting on desk! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
LOL..what batch number...I am thinking hard about trying to get a L629B fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
....ES 6600 Stepping 5Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Thanks for the info Tony! :party3:
Ok, NDA is up, whats the skinny???:D
yeah give it up!!
NDA is up for n680i,not rd600...
could wait any more...got the evga 680i coming tomorrow...it looks to be promising.
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Originally Posted by mykeos
Bleh, whens the RD600 coming out?