*avoid* gskill 2GBZX with DS3

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

i think you need to read more what i wrote, many users in here already turn in their RMA form and will receive free return label

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So we can send the RAM back to G.SKILL for free?!...how awesome is that!!

You guys rock! :banana:

Yep ds3,use a stick of ddr2 to set cas4 in bios up the volts to plus3 or 4 save bios,remove ddr2 ram stick g.skill zx in and away it goes

That might be our only option for now (until bios update), so..can anyone recomend to forum members some CHEAP 256MB DDR2 memory that will work with the DS3/DS4/DQ6.

So as folks can at least boot and change voltage manually.

This ant to bad,as its not mega dear ram

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

just let you know
at the DDR2 800
no matter you manually set at CL4 or auto, it will change back to CL3
also, i don't think i metion "no ram can boot with CL3"
i said our ram can't boot with DDR2 800 CL3 1.8v

for DDR2 800 2GBNS, DDR2 800 2GBZX, those are for sure incompatilbe. it is not just voltage problem. detail i can't say in here but it will happen to every memory companies and i am sure for it. just becasue we sell our ram for lowest price for DDR2 800, doesn't mean it is bad ram. those ram all pass ddr2 800 1.8v stress test before we ship out. also, we face the problem. actually i want to say thank you to lestat, if he didn't post such problem, i will not personally go get a board and test it.

if you guys have 965 and ZX or NS, we are welcome to do the exchange to PK and NR.

just one more thing, at DDR2 800 DS3, can't not boot up with CL4. no matter you set at CL4 or spd is CL4... it just change to CL3

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i've got DS3 and 6400HZ and when i choose ram divider 4X ( so DDR-800 ) in bios and select CAS 4 , i boot and cpu-z shows CAS 4 ...
ok i have a Pentium-D 805 but i think this could be the same with C2D , no ?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...85&postcount=2

PK is ok
NR is ok too but i left my usb drive at home...pic is in there

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Originally Posted by Richard Dower

So we can send the RAM back to G.SKILL for free?!...how awesome is that!!

You guys rock! :banana:

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if you are in usa it is good, outside of USA that might be some problem

so will i be able to boot ddr2 gskill 667 with the ds3?

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

if you are in usa it is good, outside of USA that might be some problem

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So outside of the USA what do we do ?

Does any one know if u can boot and get to the bios screen with a Corsair PC6400 CAS 4?

And if you can, u can change the voltage to the right amount right?

The Corsair is fine....

really so theres no problems whatsso ever with corsair?

I just sent my RAM away with UPS. Can't wait for the NR. Thanks so much for the great help G Skill you guys are great.

I personally find that what Les is going through is real frustration. Techicalitity aside. Imagine there's this joy in getting the latest OC hardware and apparently, there will be some expectation. If it doesn't clock that well, it's one thing. If it doesn't boot and it's not a DOA issue, it's really frustrating. But I am not saying I agree on all the forms that the frustration is express. But it did get some problems and most importantly, the solutions looked into and surfaced.

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

if you are in usa it is good, outside of USA that might be some problem

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what is the "some problem" exactly?:eek:

Yeah, what's "some problem"? I want to know too. There's also a big gap in the prices in and outside US?

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

if you are in usa it is good, outside of USA that might be some problem

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very nice.

what are customers from europe supposed to do ? I'am french, and like lestat i don't see why i should charge anymore. it's up to your responsability :fact:

EDIT : rma request sent to european headquarters \o/
EDIT 2 : phone call programmed this afternoon with german responsibles. I'll post here results for europen customers.

After the phone call, gskill germany is aware of this problem (tbh it s the minimum) and asked direct cash-back from dealers to final customer. If this don't work, they'll do an exchange.

In wait for further informations. (anyway, i wonder if this is interesting someone ?)

G.Skill European RMA dept. is willing to replace incompatible kits for compatible kits on your mainboard. The only thing you have todo is send a RMA request.

Just like normal RMA, shipment fee is for you. Return replacement will be paid by G.Skill.

Always try your reseller/store first, if that doesn't work out RMA with G.Skill European RMA.

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

DDR2 800 2GBHZ has no problem to boot up auto
DDR2 800 2GBZX has no problem to boot up auto
DDR2 800 2GBNR has no problem to boot up auto

DDR2 800 2GBNS has problem to boot up
DDR2 800 2GBZX has problem to boot up

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Can you tell me what bios you used to boot the 2gbnr because mine wont boot at all even after the cmos is cleared? The pc just sits in a loop restarting with no display. Stick a gig of kingston 533 in and it boots first time, i'm on bios f4c.

e6300
ds3
DDR2 800 2GBNR

Edit: Got one stick recognized with +.3v, cant boot into windows and no chance of two sticks. This ds3 is the biggest pos i've ever laid eyes on.

i would like to add that Ocz gold 6400 5-5-5-12 PN: OCZ8002048ELDCGE-K is having the same bug but cheapo ram trick work perfectly.

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

if you are in usa it is good, outside of USA that might be some problem

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I'm in the USA and Yes I'm requesting a RMA. Filled out the form and etc.... I thought I had it licked but no luck. Hell, I used some cheap Ampro RAM to install the OS.

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Originally Posted by Skull Knight

i would like to add that Ocz gold 6400 5-5-5-12 PN: OCZ8002048ELDCGE-K is having the same bug but cheapo ram trick work perfectly.

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i just booted that stuff up on bios f2 (just got board in, havn't flashed it yet) and my ocz gold 5-5-5 booted up @ 800Mhz just fine. (dont know what cas latency it was, forgot the "secret" menu key for giga, dont have time to install winblowz right now anyways tho, bud i did oc the pD to 3.22Ghz right away, i mean, i just COULDN"T leave it at stock, wouldn't be xtreme at all.

my board was f1 bios version maybe that was the problem.

this sucks, I was really close to buying this memory, this is the only reason im holding off on buying my MB and Memory. I have no clue what memory I should get for E6400 and DS3 or DS4. I have been hearing so much mixed stuff on all available ddr2800 mem out there.

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Originally Posted by G.S EUTech

G.Skill European RMA dept. is willing to replace incompatible kits for compatible kits on your mainboard. The only thing you have todo is send a RMA request.

Just like normal RMA, shipment fee is for you. Return replacement will be paid by G.Skill.

Always try your reseller/store first, if that doesn't work out RMA with G.Skill European RMA.

Thanks,

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:clap: nice.

Thats great but just remember even if they do replace them with nr sticks it still wont work with a conroe in the ds3.

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Originally Posted by davvy76

Thats great but just remember even if they do replace them with nr sticks it still wont work with a conroe in the ds3.

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the problem is about ZX and NR sticks. ZX should be replaced with PK and NS by NR. I am wrong ?

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Originally Posted by arrakys

the problem is about ZX and NR sticks. ZX should be replaced with PK and NS by NR. I am wrong ?

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Originally Posted by G.S Technician

DDR2 800 2GBHZ has no problem to boot up auto
DDR2 800 2GBZX has no problem to boot up auto
DDR2 800 2GBNR has no problem to boot up auto

DDR2 800 2GBNS has problem to boot up
DDR2 800 2GBZX has problem to boot up

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I thought the zx and the ns were the problematic sticks going by this post so I bought nr, which dont work afterall with my e6300, ds3. Though reading that i'm a little confused because in one sentence he has the zx working fine then at the bottom the zx doesnt work or I missed something.

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Originally Posted by davvy76

I thought the zx and the ns were the problematic sticks going by this post so I bought nr, which dont work afterall with my e6300, ds3. Though reading that i'm a little confused because in one sentence he has the zx working fine then at the bottom the zx doesnt work or I missed something.

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It depends on sticks .
For exemple, ZX are design to operate at 2.0-2.1v. as the gigabyte boards will use a 1.9v as default, some "good" kit will post, some won't. But most of ZX kits won't boot using 1.9v.

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Originally Posted by arrakys

It depends on sticks .
For exemple, ZX are design to operate at 2.0-2.1v. as the gigabyte boards will use a 1.9v as default, some "good" kit will post, some won't. But most of ZX kits won't boot using 1.9v.

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Ah I see, but it still doesnt explain why NR sticks arent working even when the volts are upped by +.3 in the bios to 2.2v and the timings manually changed to 5-5-5-15. (the only way I could get into the bios was to boot with a stick of generic).

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Originally Posted by davvy76

Ah I see, but it still doesnt explain why NR sticks arent working even when the volts are upped by +.3 in the bios to 2.2v and the timings manually changed to 5-5-5-15. (the only way I could get into the bios was to boot with a stick of generic).

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did u test each modules separatly ?

Yep, with a single stick windows starts to load and then hangs, dual channel wont even let the pc start.

Same setup with 2 gb's of patriot 667:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9020881

Definitely a ram/mobo compatibility problem.

i had the goldt GX XTC 5400 and it booted fine.
but the 5400 is real generic yucky ram. definately not an overclocking ram by anymeans. not overclocking as in dont expect to get over 800 fsb.
but it does go from 667 to 800 so.. take that as you wish.

the gskill ZX i couldnt get stable at 950 no matter what voltage or spd.
take that as you wish also but for ddr800 ram i really expected more from gskill since its 180 bucks. but still not bad ram.
too bad it doesnt boot in this baord.

we need a sticky of what ram boots and what ram doesnt.

Well if someone does do a list of working ram they can add kingston 533mhz KVR533D2N4/1G to it, currently running 1gb at 400x7 1:1 5-5-5-15 1.9v, bios f4c.

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Originally Posted by Lestat

i had the goldt GX XTC 5400 and it booted fine.
but the 5400 is real generic yucky ram. definately not an overclocking ram by anymeans. not overclocking as in dont expect to get over 800 fsb.
but it does go from 667 to 800 so.. take that as you wish.

the gskill ZX i couldnt get stable at 950 no matter what voltage or spd.
take that as you wish also but for ddr800 ram i really expected more from gskill since its 180 bucks. but still not bad ram.
too bad it doesnt boot in this baord.

we need a sticky of what ram boots and what ram doesnt.

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do you think a 1.9v capable ZX kit would POST on a DS3/DS4/DQ6 ?

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Originally Posted by arrakys

do you think a 1.9v capable ZX kit would POST on a DS3/DS4/DQ6 ?

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Maybe! I was impressed with the Cheapo RAM LOL! Maybe it is not just the voltage but something to do with the speed as well? I mean if the GS-Tech is right and this CAS4 RAM is trying to run at CAS3, then that would suck.

I too think the Mobo is just as much if not more at fault than the RAM.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Maybe! I was impressed with the Cheapo RAM LOL! Maybe it is not just the voltage but something to do with the speed as well? I mean if the GS-Tech is right and this CAS4 RAM is trying to run at CAS3, then that would suck.

I too think the Mobo is just as much if not more at fault than the RAM.

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tbh, i am a bit confused about giga board and gskill modules behaviour... board booting at 1.9v or 1.9v AND cas3 ?

I hope the NR works. I RMA'd my NS for the NR. Then I just saw davvy's problem and emailed them but they said not to worry, that the NR definetly works with the DS3, they have tested it.

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Originally Posted by delas52

I hope the NR works. I RMA'd my NS for the NR. Then I just saw davvy's problem and emailed them but they said not to worry, that the NR definetly works with the DS3, they have tested it.

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Thats what I thought but if you look at the testing thread they're not using a core 2 duo, which is the only difference regards ram/mobo/cpu I can see:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...55&postcount=6

I really hope it works for you though because its a total pain in the arse when you spend good money on something only for it not to work as
expected.

another user (in the same thread):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...39&postcount=7

Can someone confirm that G.Skill PC2-5400 DDR2 LA 2x1GB Works or doesn't?

Thanks

If it's rated at 1.8 V, it should work fine.

Does anyone know what exactly the difference is between the NS and NR sticks? The ZX and PK? Their specs look exactly the same, but one works and one doesn't. just curious..

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Originally Posted by davvy76

Thats what I thought but if you look at the testing thread they're not using a core 2 duo, which is the only difference regards ram/mobo/cpu I can see:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...55&postcount=6

I really hope it works for you though because its a total pain in the arse when you spend good money on something only for it not to work as
expected.

another user (in the same thread):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...39&postcount=7

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Well they get my NS ram today. I sent them another email with the links you gave me as well as a link to one of your posts. My E6400 gets here tomrrow and the RAM is already delaying me about a week. If the new RAM I get doesn't even work I would be pretty disturbed.

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Originally Posted by garnin

If it's rated at 1.8 V, it should work fine.

Does anyone know what exactly the difference is between the NS and NR sticks? The ZX and PK? Their specs look exactly the same, but one works and one doesn't. just curious..

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Thanks for the reply. Its rated at 1.8-2.0V but when i tried it i could only get it to work in slots 2 and 4 of my DS3 motherboard with the latest bios. When i put it into slots 1 and 3 the pc would just cycle on and off on and off so i am seeking clarification from someone who has used this ram in 1 and 3 or also has had this problem.

Thanks for your time and help.

Well here is their reply.

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Hi
I also test F2-6400phu2-2gbnr on DS3 with E6400 and no problem too.

Thank you
GSKILL USA REP

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I hope it does.

Do you know if they'll be posting their finds on the forums anywhere?

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Originally Posted by arrakys

tbh, i am a bit confused about giga board and gskill modules behaviour... board booting at 1.9v or 1.9v AND cas3 ?

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Just as the tech said it changed to cas3. I this is someone else Processor so I didn't have enough time to test as much as I'd like but it enough to know I didn't want the RAM. The board didn't send enough voltage to the RAM so it would just sit there partially started with no video.

If I could do it over again, I'd have gotten mid-ranged DDR2-667. Seeing the Celeron run on one 256MB stick9s0 of DDR2-533 was sweet! Both the AMpro and Generic ran well. So did the PQI DDR2-667, sorry I didn't get the specs of the RAM but I'm sure it was cheap CAS4 5-5-15.

Well I had made the mistake of getting the ZX with my DS3 and the computer didn't post, and I didn't have any spare 240pin ram around and the cheapest stick in town was $60.

I'm atleast glad that this makes it 99% sure why my new pc didn't work.

What happened to you guys with the DS3 and this ram when turning on the computer, would it just sit on with the fans running, or would it endlessly restart?

My system at first would power on for a second, lose power, then come back on and just sit there. I could hold the button for 5 seconds to shutdown and it would not do that 1 second shutdown thing from then on until turning off the psu and pulling the power cable and trying to turn it on again. But after messing with it by disconnecting things and reconnecting and so on before I learned of this ram problem it now just turns, then off, then on, then off, and so on without the cpu fan never getting a chance to spin up.

I'm nervously waiting for some Corsair ram that ZipZoomFly has been processing for 2 days even though I selected overnight, so it won't ship until tomorrow, arriving Firday morning.

I'm so scared of how the system has been running and with no indicating lights on the mobo or beeps I have no idea if something else is wrong.

If I had known ZZF would take so long I would have bought that extra stick of ram to start and test the system and done an exchange with Gskill overtime.

Ah, after checking the FAQ on the DS3 it seems to be normal for various reasons if the mobo seems to restart over and over. I just hope the new ram fixes that.

i just received via UPS; some G.skill 1 Gb x 2, 065-2GBHZ and its sweet!!

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Originally Posted by TimothyB

Well I had made the mistake of getting the ZX with my DS3 and the computer didn't post, and I didn't have any spare 240pin ram around and the cheapest stick in town was $60.

I'm atleast glad that this makes it 99% sure why my new pc didn't work.

What happened to you guys with the DS3 and this ram when turning on the computer, would it just sit on with the fans running, or would it endlessly restart?

My system at first would power on for a second, lose power, then come back on and just sit there. I could hold the button for 5 seconds to shutdown and it would not do that 1 second shutdown thing from then on until turning off the psu and pulling the power cable and trying to turn it on again. But after messing with it by disconnecting things and reconnecting and so on before I learned of this ram problem it now just turns, then off, then on, then off, and so on without the cpu fan never getting a chance to spin up.

I'm nervously waiting for some Corsair ram that ZipZoomFly has been processing for 2 days even though I selected overnight, so it won't ship until tomorrow, arriving Firday morning.

I'm so scared of how the system has been running and with no indicating lights on the mobo or beeps I have no idea if something else is wrong.

If I had known ZZF would take so long I would have bought that extra stick of ram to start and test the system and done an exchange with Gskill overtime.

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Endless restarting with the nr until I booted with some kingston and set to 2.3v and 5-5-5-15. Saved, whipped the kingston out put a stick of g.skill in, booted to windows logo, froze. Inserted second stick of g.skill just for the sake of it, black screen, no self test. Inserted g.skill in different slots same result. Inserted g.skill in bag and posted back, bought another stick of kingston 533 and am now running happily at 400x7, 1:1, 1.9v, 5-5-5-15, bios f4c

Will newest bios fix issue with gskill 2gbnr?

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Originally Posted by tuoho

Will newest bios fix issue with gskill 2gbnr?

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That stuff worked straight out of the box with F1 bios for me. Didn't even have to adjust the voltage on the ram (but I have it set to +.2v).

davvy, you might be interested to know my 2GBNR has been working perfectley.

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Originally Posted by delas52

davvy, you might be interested to know my 2GBNR has been working perfectley.

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Well mines gone back now so either it was bad or didnt like the f4c bios, pleased its working for you though. If you visit the ocuk forums theres users there with the same issue I had :confused:

The ZX kit will not POST with 1.8V, but it did POST with 1.95V using the DQ6 F3g beta bios.

My memory timings appear to be stable @ 4-4-4-12 (set manually) and do not appear to change any longer.

I've decided not to RMA my RAM as it appears to be ok, save for the hassle of taking the memory out when doing bios flashes etc.

maybe WPCREDIT can read the actual cas latency. . .

i have P5B... and it doest work either with 800Mhz ZX

so. iwant to exchange it with PK..

but i read in newegg the reviews.. and they r talking about problems with C2D too...

Update on this...with F4d the memory NEEDS 2.2V to even boot. anything less it will not post. With F3 it would POST with 1.950V...now it won't.

Gigabyte bios is getting worse with each release.