air E66 ES meet GA-965P-DS3 "499 FSB"

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07-21-2006, 11:22 PM
theteamaqua

then show me some good E6600 step 6 B2 OC on air... insatead of doing personal attack , u know what dont read it.

and also i wonder why coolaler didnt go any hgiher than 3.6Ghz on E6600 B2 ...

hes ES5 E6600 chip did 4GHz on tower 120

and andreyang's X6800, redpreist X6800 were crappy at ocing...

ES5 > retail end of story
07-21-2006, 11:29 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

ES5 > retail end of story

for now it is looking that way.....i think that the guys are trying to say it may not be enough to say retail=:banana::banana::banana::banana: ES=good.....let's wait and see
07-21-2006, 11:42 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

for now it is looking that way.....i think that the guys are trying to say it may not be enough to say retail=:banana::banana::banana::banana: ES=good.....let's wait and see

yes i agree with u, but teh way he (theundercat) said it pisses me off
07-21-2006, 11:59 PM
ArcTan

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

then show me some good E6600 step 6 B2 OC on air... insatead of doing personal attack , u know what dont read it.

that's why we wait until it's released
we'll get a better idea in a week or two time

though if es is better than retail then :woot:
already loving my E6300 step 5 :banana:
07-22-2006, 10:43 AM
sierra_bound

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/275...eembootkk6.jpg

For comparison purposes, P5W DH at same speed, but with much lower FSB. ;)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3782/3450bo3.jpg
07-22-2006, 10:56 AM
vkbms

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

For comparison purposes, P5W DH at same speed, but with much lower FSB. ;)

*pic*

Yes but the sistem with Gigabyte doesn't seem to be optimized....
07-22-2006, 11:01 AM
sierra_bound

Optimized in what way? The point I'm trying to make is that in SuperPi, the P5W DH will always win because it has better latencies at high FSB. If you run 32M, the difference will become even more apparent. There are already a couple of threads here that confirm that. Now, that doesn't mean you can't be happy with the Gigabyte board. The 965 chipset seems to have very good 3D performance. But SuperPi is not the best benchmark to showcase the Gigabyte boards or the 965 chipset. ;)
07-22-2006, 11:42 AM
mascaras

For me the Gigabyte DS3 seems the best buy until the RD600 is out .

With a Conroe E6300 , the DS3 beats the ASUS P5WDH in all benchmarks , only lost in Superpi >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108077

aparently DS3 its also good with Conroe 4mb cache ( around 460/470 FSB 100% stable stock cooler) , very good results for a board with this price :D

regards
07-22-2006, 11:44 AM
theteamaqua

yeah most people play games with their comp ..
07-22-2006, 11:50 AM
sierra_bound

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

yeah most people play games with their comp ..

I'm not sure that's really accurate. The average person probably uses his or her computer mainly to get email and shop.

I keep reminding people that this place is called "XtremeSystems". Benchmarking and extreme overclocking are what made this forum what it is today. It's only in the past year or so that benchmarking has become a dirty word, mainly among newer members. Also remember that many people have more than one computer. One may be used for daily tasks and the other(s) for overclocking or folding or whatever.
07-22-2006, 11:58 AM
mascaras

i use my computer for Benchmark ( 3D Mark) , Overclock and Games , I dont use to run superpi unless to stability tests , so this DS3 board was my choice till Rd600 is out .

regards
07-22-2006, 02:13 PM
Nico

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Optimized in what way? The point I'm trying to make is that in SuperPi, the P5W DH will always win because it has better latencies at high FSB. If you run 32M, the difference will become even more apparent. There are already a couple of threads here that confirm that. Now, that doesn't mean you can't be happy with the Gigabyte board. The 965 chipset seems to have very good 3D performance. But SuperPi is not the best benchmark to showcase the Gigabyte boards or the 965 chipset. ;)

Call me crazy, but with locked cpu multipliers the DS3 is going to let you get higher max clock. That should offset the latency benefit, especially with E6300 and E6400 chips ;)
07-22-2006, 02:21 PM
sierra_bound

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico

Call me crazy, but with locked cpu multipliers the DS3 is going to let you get higher max clock.

Really? This is my P5W DH. Air cooling. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/ds7510/4112.jpg

BTW, 9 is the default multiplier for the E6600. When I see 500X9, I'll become a believer.
07-22-2006, 02:24 PM
vudoodoodoo

$150 at newegg... hmmm... RD600 is soooo close though.
07-22-2006, 02:28 PM
Nico

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Really? This is my P5W DH. Air cooling. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/ds7510/4112.jpg

BTW, 9 is the default multiplier for the E6600.

Nice, but as I said more so for a 6300/6400, for your averrage users :D
Need to see what the same chip is capable of on both platforms
07-22-2006, 02:36 PM
sierra_bound

Allendales are nice chips for the money. But they're not Conroe. If you want over 4GHz, get Conroe. ;)
07-22-2006, 02:38 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Allendales are nice chips for the money. But they're not Conroe. If you want over 4GHz, get Conroe. ;)

and get P5WDH ,DS3 is amazing for FSB but can`t handle 4ghz for benching

vcore @ 1.6v+ is useless
07-22-2006, 02:47 PM
Nico

So if you went to phase cooling do you think the P5W-DH has got more head room, or would the DS3 be a better bet? I say that coz I'm looking to upgrade when parts are available in Oz.
07-22-2006, 03:04 PM
sierra_bound

The P5W DH has plenty of headroom, especially if it is modded. A few people have gone over 500 FSB with modded boards. I try to tell people that if they can afford it, get a chip with a higher multiplier. 400X10 or 444X9 is a lot easier than 500X8. Allendales will likely be the FSB kings. But if maximum CPU speed is your main priority, get Conroe.
07-22-2006, 03:05 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

i use my computer for Benchmark ( 3D Mark) , Overclock and Games , I dont use to run superpi unless to stability tests , so this DS3 board was my choice till Rd600 is out .

regards

see, when i see a person with a decent GFX card i know they r gamers
07-22-2006, 03:41 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico

So if you went to phase cooling do you think the P5W-DH has got more head room, or would the DS3 be a better bet? I say that coz I'm looking to upgrade when parts are available in Oz.

P5WDH is better for clock

Gigabyte just needs a new bios to run safely @ 3500mhz+

DS3
Cons
its hard to boot @ 390 x 9(air cooled P5WDH does 425 x 9)
no 4/3 dividers

Pros
the voltage droop is minimum
good to oc with low multiplier
cheap
07-22-2006, 04:46 PM
vkbms

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Optimized in what way? The point I'm trying to make is that in SuperPi, the P5W DH will always win because it has better latencies at high FSB. If you run 32M, the difference will become even more apparent. There are already a couple of threads here that confirm that. Now, that doesn't mean you can't be happy with the Gigabyte board. The 965 chipset seems to have very good 3D performance. But SuperPi is not the best benchmark to showcase the Gigabyte boards or the 965 chipset. ;)

You're right.... i've read those things too.... but i want to say only that in the screen with gigabyte there are some active program and themes service active too... :) ....

sorry if i can't explain me perfectly... :p:
07-22-2006, 05:40 PM
PcCI2iminal

XFX GX2
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3...3waterqxd1.jpg

Conroe ES 400 x 9 3-3-3-12
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8...386copygt7.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4...0158251uv7.jpg

Conroe ES 450 x 8 4-4-4-12
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1...323copyyl8.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5...0157917bf9.jpg

CPU ：E6600 ES @ 3.6ghz
COOLER：Eheim + hi performance water block
M/B ：Gigabyte 965P DS3
MEM ：Team Group DDR2 1000
HDD ：Raptor 36gb 10000 rpm
VGA CARD ：XFX GX2 stock
PSU: ZIPPY Type R 600w
OS ：WIN XP SP2
07-22-2006, 05:56 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra_bound

Optimized in what way? The point I'm trying to make is that in SuperPi, the P5W DH will always win because it has better latencies at high FSB. If you run 32M, the difference will become even more apparent. There are already a couple of threads here that confirm that.

:thumbsup:

Put the fsb up to 400+ against the P5WDH and DS3 gets murdered

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1...073copygu9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4...0163898sv4.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9...03203073ok.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4...01657860zd.jpg

XFX GX2 @ 625/1600 for both rigs
07-22-2006, 06:11 PM
majestik

So people are praising the DS3 because it can reach high fsb, at which it sucks anyways. Great..!
07-22-2006, 06:25 PM
thunderstruck!

Is there setfsb or similar for this chipset/board? How about memset?
07-22-2006, 06:56 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderstruck!

Is there setfsb or similar for this chipset/board? How about memset?

i use Easy Tuner and its enough for fsb @ 500

and i haven`t tryed memset yet

a link for a beta for 965
http://rv.page.cegetel.net.perso.ceg.../MemSet965.zip
08-01-2006, 08:55 AM
richardkemp

So to clear up, which board can reach a higher FSB stably, with AND without mods?

Thanks....
08-01-2006, 02:55 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by richardkemp

So to clear up, which board can reach a higher FSB stably, with AND without mods?

Thanks....

well max stable fsb is (withou any mods and problems free)
boot up(bios)
390 x 9
420 x 8
420 x 7
420 x 6

clockgen
355 x 9
490 x 8
480 x 7
485 x 6

and max clock
X6800 B2
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6...001mbpigv3.jpg
E6600 ES B1
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/849...eembootke1.jpg
08-01-2006, 03:25 PM
Lestat

and your doing this with easy tune ? hhmm
08-01-2006, 07:18 PM
Ace-a-Rue

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

P5WDH is better for clock

Gigabyte just needs a new bios to run safely @ 3500mhz+

DS3
Cons
its hard to boot @ 390 x 9(air cooled P5WDH does 425 x 9)
no 4/3 dividers

Pros
the voltage droop is minimum
good to oc with low multiplier
cheap

VERY NICE WORK!...you made my decision so much easier with your great work and details!

"CHEAP"....is my game!:D
08-01-2006, 07:30 PM
Ace-a-Rue

memory list for D3:

http://www.giga-byte.com/FileList/Me...a-965p-ds3.pdf
08-01-2006, 07:36 PM
Lestat

the DS3 does NOT have issues with 390 and above

you comment and your comment of the P5W booting at 425 are all RARE.

rare occassions of people not being able to boot at 390+
me i can go from default to 400mhz FSB and she boots right up.
the asus is not the same 400 was the max and remains the max that most people get. but the asus is harder to reach 400 with you have to do it in small increments. not huge leaps like the DS3

i have had both boards. so.. take my word for what you will.

the P5W DH isnt horrible but it suffers the EXACT same fate of alll other conroe boards 400mhz FSB is the limit for a 6600. a 6700 is lower and a 6800 is lower.

think of it this way.
the lower the cpu multi the higher the fsb.
but the lower the multi the less ghz your going to get.

the DS3 is the ONLY board to high 490+ UNMODDED.
the P5W DH can get close but you have to heavily mod the board to do it.

its atoss of the coin but if your not overclocking or only doing light overclocking.... the P5W DH does have more toys and bells and whistles and a much better SATA controller.
so... take that as you will.
08-01-2006, 07:56 PM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

. the P5W DH does have more toys and bells and whistles and a much better SATA controller.
so... take that as you will.

Does the Dq6 use the same sata controller as the DS3? What controller does tha asus use compared to the D3 exactly?
08-02-2006, 06:32 PM
Ace-a-Rue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

the DS3 does NOT have issues with 390 and above

i have had both boards. so.. take my word for what you will.

the P5W DH isnt horrible but it suffers the EXACT same fate of alll other conroe boards 400mhz FSB is the limit for a 6600. a 6700 is lower and a 6800 is lower.

think of it this way.
the lower the cpu multi the higher the fsb.
but the lower the multi the less ghz your going to get.

the DS3 is the ONLY board to high 490+ UNMODDED.
the P5W DH can get close but you have to heavily mod the board to do it.

the only thing i would quibble about in your post is the E6600 is a 9X by default...the D3 is able to lower the multiplier; so, going at 8X and raising the fsb to 450 would give the user 3600 mhz (1200 mhz above default speed)...and...if we can go to 490 like you say then an E6600 could go as high as 3920 mhz...in my mind that is "very" good.
08-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Alphy

Where might one purchase this Team Xtreem RAM, or something that performs equally well? I heard G.Skill being talked about alot.

Just trying to keep myself informed. ;)
08-02-2006, 07:07 PM
Ace-a-Rue

i recommend you do a search for it.:confused:

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