mreld3r,very nice! and with such low vcore.makes me want to try and see if i can lower mine,be right back
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mreld3r,very nice! and with such low vcore.makes me want to try and see if i can lower mine,be right back
well, that voltage WAS low...too low
Priming again @1.35 see if it can make it longer, im NOT going to run it for 8 hours tho. Im not interested in PRIME stable just 24/7 stable. Nothing I do on mycomputer stresses it as much as prime. As long as it dont overheat/crash during everyday use, im happy. Real world stable > prime stable for me.
Well done mreld!Quote:
Originally Posted by mreld3r
I told everybody here long time ago that UD3P + Q9650 = unbeatable combo in high OC, low volts, stability and price $$$ :up:
Just copy my template or radaja's knowing that MCH Ref and CPU Ref can change a bit according to mobo used and cpu you'll be fine till Intel come up with something better then i7 next year :up:
I know its not stable...but,,,
http://www.ripping.org/database.php?cpuid=851
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499494
Not likely stable, but i'd be happy with 4 GHz...so yeah
VID is 1.15v
Temps at same vcore as previous Q9550 are drastically higher :(
Q9550 needed nearly 1.4v to do 4+ GHz.
Q9650 is doing over 4 GHz @ 1.3v :)
Oh, & i'm back to my P5Q-D...thank god.
UD3P was short-lived less than fun experiment that failed.
http://ense7en.com/pics/q9650/Q9650%...d%20stable.JPG
Very not bad at all :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Also what cooling are you using? And what happened to the UD3P?
Hey guys, got my Q9650 from Newegg on Monday batch #L834B631.
Edit: VID for this chips is 1.2500 using coretemp 0.99.4 and it appears I might have some stuck temp sensors. Right now I am still testing and sometimes they work at load and sometimes all they read is 32-34-34-35 at idle and full load. So far they have never read anything lower then 32-34-34-35 but I have at least got them to rise above that at full load under OCCT 2.0.1. Later today I will try 4.05ghz and post some screen shots. I am hoping this max VID chip ends up being a decent overclocker. My goal is 4.2ghz stable on air under 60-65C.
First test I ran was at stock speed 9x333 just to get a slight judge for it. CPU Vcore was at Auto with 1.20NB 1.26VTT(Higher then I needed) 1.52PLL. At full load CPUZ read 1.24vcore, 45C full load, which means it will probably be stable at ~1.19v for 3.0ghz. Tonight I will try for either 8x500 to see what my max FSB is or 9x450 to see what Vcore I need for 4.05ghz. I should know my tonight how well this thing will OC.
All my BIOS voltages are reduced as much as possible ;)
Validation: 4510.91 MHz (Max-Air) Gonna try dicing.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499345
Validation: 4259.71 MHz (2D/3D)
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499985
2D TESTS: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post3627857
ok, so the latest war against the x48 rages on, but making excellent progress. i wanted to ask you guys a few questions though, if anyone has any thoughts perhaps.
is there a specific GTL voltage that a specific proc is looking for in terms of stability? i mean like all around? or is it on a per (literal) processor type basis? I finally am able to boot into windows with stability at 450x9 (q9650) and went through 11 rounds of linpack without error. comparing the options that the UD3P has, i think the current BIOS of the Rampage Formula is slightly limited, and therefore could perhaps require a lot of vtt voltage to attain the correct GTL voltage.
anyway, so like i said, im running 1.20 actual under load. extrapolating my BIOS settings out, my CPU GTL should be around .78 (using the .65 GTL ref). i tried dropping to 1.3625v vcore in BIOS, but that was wholly unstable. should anything else be matched in light of that vcore change, even though i didnt touch the vtt nor cpu GTL ref value?
Am i making sense here at all? or is all this just the complete moronic misunderstanding? maybe i have one hot-damn insurgent of a Q9650 that requires some pretty damn lame volts to remain stable? how would you all go about this?
Just wanted to say this is an AMAZING CPU! I'm doing 4.25GHz 24/7 stable with sub-par watercooling and half-decent ram. If I had a better rad I bet this thing would be stable at 4.4 or 4.5GHz for sure.
I posted my BIOS settings in the Gigabyte UD3P thread here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1816
sean222,great job! yea these 9650's are simply amazing.ive been lusting after these cpu's for about3 months now and as soon as that price drop hit....BAM i pressed the continue with purchase button and now i am one happy camper.and being able to use it in my UD3P is just a great bonus.i mean it clocks just as easy and good as my dual core did.like you said AMAZING CPU.again great clocks
Thanks man, I'd love to push it further...but I can't justify spending a couple hundred to upgrade my watercooling just for ~200 more mhz. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
Hi buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by brinox
It is a pain having limited BIOS options as you are limited in trying specific VTT/GTL combos
I found using 63mV to 70mV (and sometimes 80mV on failing cores via Prime) has helped. Its good that you managed to pass IBT as it proved to be very difficult to pass (for me anyway) over 484x9 - Prime is not so bad. From my personal experience its pretty much trial and error although there is some theory in the GTL ref thread here in XS.
I am unclear on whether there is a specific relationship between GTL/VTT and vCore but when I fiddle with the BIOS i'll poke around to see if there is some kind of relationship - but from my experiences I'd have to side with the trial and error camp.
helloQuote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
what's your voltage for you ?
this morning i was able to do this.still testing for stability though.http://i43.tinypic.com/1zc2yhx.jpg
Highest I could go so far on water with 8GBs of RAM, NB Maxed.
here is where im at , need some more tweaks . got a question for you guys, should i go water or just stronger fans , right now i have a TRUE w/antec tricools in push pull at high.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../q96504250.jpg
some good fans might get you a few degrees for $30 tops, water will get you 10-15c lower at load for about $300
its all about which you can afford
would this be good enough : Swiftech H20-22- Apex Ultima Liquid Cooling KitQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
?
i have been told that that is a very good kit.thats what ill be getting for my first WCing setup.
Quote:
Originally Posted by spawn447
The good man Leeghoofd did a review on this here..
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=897
Supposed to be a pretty good kit, In the states I would get it from here for $244
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swh2edukit.html
Hope this helps!
actually yes that will do pretty well for you, I forgot about swiftechs kit and with the low voltage ability of the 9650's that dual rad would be very good for you.
just do one thing for me if you get that kit - just run it on your GPU and dont use the hydrx supplied, use distilled water and a bit of PT-nuke biocide from petrastechshop.com. Personally I would also recommend you drop in over at the LC section with a thread about your system and budget, you will probably get a better system from buying parts separately.
a quick run down of a budget system that would be more solid than the apex would be a DD CPX-PRO pump ($56), and OCZ hydro-flow CPU block ($45 IIRC) Swiftech MCR-220 rad ($40), 1/2" primochill tubing and some of that same biocide ;) :up:
thanks for the info guys, :up: i'll look into buying individual parts.
just figured a kit would be simple with all the mixing metals and barbs and stuff im lost (noob) :(
don't worry, we've all been through it and we are here to help new users along as well :up: I remeber well the days when I sat there on dangerden's website configuring my cart for hours trying to sort out my first LC order... it was daunting to say the least :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by spawn447
Which Batch is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mreld3r
We have new results under dice :)
CPU PSN : Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9650
Freq : 4761.33 MHz (529.04 * 9)
MB Model : LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS
GPU Type : ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT
RAM : 2048 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
Valid: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=501500
2D Tests: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...191950&page=28
Sorry; off the top of my head I cant remember, but I posted it about 2 weeks ago in this thread. Also don't pay any attention to that Vcore in the screenshot, it wasn't prime stable for very long at that voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by emertX
Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Hey guys, unfortunately for me this was a very unpleasant CPU. Nothing I did would read less then the stuck temps at 32-34-34-35, I used Everest, RealTemp, CoreTemp and OCCT and got the same readings from both. Very annoying and after running some failed attempts at 450x9(BSOD'd within seconds after boot) and 8x475(wouldn't even boot), I decided to RMA this chip. If it had actually OC'ed well and not been max VID I might have kept it despite the annoyingly stuck temp sensors. Good news is that NewEgg accepted my request from a replacement and it should be here sometime close to Tuesday after next. For my test runs I increased VTT all the way up to 1.4 and left vcore on auto evertime, I used 1.38NB and 1.54PLL, left my RAM at default and kept the PL at 10 to remove the possibility that my RAM was causing the instability's. Only thing I did not try was one of KET's modded bios's but in the next week I will use my old Q6700 and mess around with a mBIOS to see if they improve max FSB(~460) for my old chip.
The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
So would you recommend getting one now.
I can't say this is entirely TRUE but I have yet to find a new Q9650 (small box with white and blue on it) that has healthy sensors.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
I haven't done enough comparisons to say that is a law.
I would wait and see how the new small box Q9650 are doing first, or get an old big blue box one from eBay.
Jorlbr where you getting that info from? Is that official or hearsay?
Just got back from o/c'ing my mates Q9650 1.225VID. So far so good and its done 4410Mhz P95 blend stable (overnight run) but the chip runs hot...i think its the tradeoff with a lower VID chip. So he is running it at 4.3Ghz atm @ 1.36v (dual back to back 30 run IBT stable, P95 not yet tested but P95 shouldn't be any problems :cool: )
Anyone else with a 1.225VID that runs say 5-10c hotter @ same volts vs a 1.25VID. I think they definetly have more o/c potential than there higher VID brothers but offset is strong cooling required
It's not hearsay it's what I've seen from personal experience so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by kill_a_wat
I guess if you get a new small boxed Q9650 that has 1.225VID and no stuck sensors that should be good.
You're also live in Australia, right? Might be a delay there b/c of shipping etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kill_a_wat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Thanks for the info, I will be getting another chip for a replacement in about 10 days and of course I will update with info on it. If I get another small box CPU with stuck sensors that is a poor overclocker I will definitely let you know, and NEWEGG too. If this is the case I will be demanding a refund or another replacement until they send me a Q9650 without stuck sensors, nothing aggravates me more then not knowing what temp my CPU is idling at, sure I could pump 100% load to it and get a reading but anything under 50% load and my CPU temp was below the stuck sensor reading of ~34C.:mad:
Want to know if this is really true or not. I also live in Aus and couldn't care for an i7 system. Q9650 is looking awfully tasty... Hope they're not reject chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
How about the Q9550s? Any changes in results/monitors on those?
Quote:
Originally Posted by onthepulse
I do not think that it is 100% absolute that you will get a broke chip, however the likely hood of getting a higher VID or poor overclocking chip may have been increased. To me I do not think Intel cares weather or not the chips overclock well, but during the tail end of a chips production I do believe that the quality of the chip gets worse. With my last 2 Q6700's they were max VIDS and crappy overclockers both bought last summer right when Intel quit making them. So if Intel plans or already has stoped production of the Q9650 then I think they will begin to ship more and more poor overclockers and less "golden" chips:eek:
agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Is "low vid CPUs are not extreme overclockers" and "CPUs with stuck sensors are not good ones" myth true?
I have my E8600 with stuck sensors, 34°C-41°C are lowest temps it shows and has a mid-high range vid, but clocks and performs pretty good. My Q9650 has stuck sensors too (i think), but works good and clocks as well.
Does CoreTemp shows real vid?
#1. High VID chips tend to be harder to overclock up to a certain speed and then everything seems to even out, you either get a chip that needs tons of vcore to push 4.2ghz or a get a chip that hits 4.2ghz with low volts but at a cost of higher heat(Generally). As far as trying to overclock on air I would much rather have a lower VID chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGanG
#2. Stuck sensors do not have anything to do with overclocking, but it is very annoying not being able to read idle-mid load temps. Of course having a stuck sensor is a bad thing but not in the sense of overclockability.
#3. I would hope the latest version of Coretemp(0.99.4-64bit) would display the correct VID. When I get a chip even if it is a high VID I still try to overclock it before branding it a "lemon" there is always the chance a high VID chip will turn out to be a bad a$$.
Edit: I want to point out that the chip I had to RMA not only had stuck sensors but would not boot at > 450FSB no matter the volts. My motherboard/bios/ram should not be the problem because as we speak my Q6700 is running rock stable at 460FSB.
Got a 6* max FSB run?Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Thanks, got new CoreTemp now, trying at the moment.
My chip read the vid as 1.1 in coretemp on a p35 mobo, AND it defaulted to 1.1 Vcore. When I changed mobo's the vid and default Vcore went up to 1.225.
RealTemp reads mine as low vid 1.1 and high vid 1.225. Everest also reads my vid now @ 1.225. I'm running mine now @ 4.000ghz 9x multi. prime and intelburntest completely stable @ 1.3 Vcore bios and 1.264 Vcpu-z. Im sure that I can lower that a little, but i haven't tried yet. My problem is that one of my sensors (cpu0) reads almost 10c higher than the rest at full throttle.
That is kinda alarming really. Especially with intelBurnTest. That program scares the hell outta me. It will really heat up the cpu fast.
Even with the factory HSF on another mobo cpu0 was still a lot higher. So its not an issue with the seating of the HSF. I reseated it several times with both HSF's. Now I'm running a Big Typhoon and the temps across MOST of my sensors are about 60c at full throttle. I have a LC setup in the works. Im poor and have to wait till payday to get the last piece (cpu block). Right now the choice is a GTZ. Still kinda looking at a DTEK Fusion a little though.
All of my sensors read 37 degrees @ idle right now. Im not sure if they are stuck or not, i dont usually look at my idle temps. BUT they are the same @ idle. How can it be possible for one cpu to be 10c higher than the others when they are RIGHT next to each other. That seems like a really big difference really. im gonna play with RealTemp sensor test now. I dont have a clue what it is testing, but im gonna find out.
Apparently the difference is not so bad at lower tempuratures. How does this look to everyone else. Does yours look the same? My last chip (dual core) was almost the same temp across both cores and they "tracked" the same across the temp changes.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2jdn876.jpg
Have a look at the last 2 cores,,they are perfect. The EXACT same.
This is from one whose 9650 has stuck temps at 32/32/37/37. I think this rumor about overclockability is nothing but a rumor. My chip, which has a vid. of 1.250v overclocks like any other; on x48 mind you. There are too many variables when it comes to people's results that it is a mixed bag of chips when user tries to duplicate the results of another user; eg. user, cpu+board combo, ambient, rams, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker. :p:
This is not the first time Intel does that, wouldn't be surprised (Q6600, Q6700 etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
VID: 1.25v
Batch: L822B363
Room Temp: 26C
Bios: Ket's 1702 mBios
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=502538
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8...6cambieks4.jpg
this is just my opinion but every cpu that ive owned has had 1 or 2 stuck sensors,mind you i have not owned a lot (4 intel in total).but i dont think the stuck sensors have anything to do with how well they OC,there are just poorly designed sensors.now to the low vid.out of the four cpus,one e8400's vid was 1.22 and it OCed about the same as the other cpu's which were all 1.25.the only real difference was the low vid ran alot hotter.so i was happy when my 9650 arrived and it was 1.25 at least it wouldnt run so hot.and like zucker2k said you cant buy a chip and just because its the same exact batch # and vid as anothers user who managed a very high OC at low volts,does not mean it will perform the exact same for you.too many variables to be considered(board,psu,cooling,ram,and user).just look back in this thread where everyone thought that only the B chips could achieve the extreme clocks.that was not 100% true,but at the time people were buying and sending back chips because they were A chips.now remember just an opinion.
This is the new small Q9650 box, all in white and blue
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1338/nuevacajayf8.jpg
This is the normal Q9650 box all in blue only label in white
http://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/jm/im...8_4287.jpg&v=P
yea i got the top one,small white and blue
Bought big blue one :) L825B425 / pack date 09/17/08
Which one is better (good ocer)?
what memory are you guys using to hit 1200mhz? it seems there are not many that can run at these speeds for 24/7 stability. right now i'm stuck at 493fsb and i'm trying to get the last 7, but i think my crappy memory is limiting me. they're 1066 tracers trying to run 5:6 at 6-6-6, almost reaching 1200
im using cellshock pc8000cl4 kits.but i think some here are using the g.skill 9600's,very expensive at the moment.
I might not have the experience you have with overclocking, but when I do test a new chip I keep it simple. I stated the bios setting I used before but here is the run down. I backed down my ram to PL 10 and auto settings for mostly everything(On my old quad I can run PL8 with 450FSB just fine), I did this to make sure that RAM was not an issue if I had any stability problems. I set the Vcore to auto, when trying to see where to begin with vcore I always start about 0.04v less then what CPUZ reports on auto. I set my NB to 1.38 and VTT to 1.40(Highest safe setting I know of for VTT with the intension of lowering later if I could), Ram was stock at 1.9v. I set CPU PLL to 1.54 although I could go up to 1.58-1.60 safe on 45nm according to Leeghoofd. I have never messed with GTL Ref volts, I always leave them on auto. I also turn all the Speedsteping/VT/Disable bit stuff off in the CPU tab.So given the above info, I was very surprised when I booted to 9x450 and got instant BSOD's, then when I tried 8x475 I could not boot period but 8x425 ran just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
I see it this way, there are plenty of people here who have Q9650's without stuck sensors, and when I pay the same price for my chip as they did why should I expect anything less? I did not RMA my chip because it was a poor overclocker, I RMA'd it because it had stuck sensors and wouldn't really overclock at all. Like you said these things are easy 4.0ghz+ overclockers and to suggest that it is impossible that I got one that was jacked up and would not hit 4.0ghz on a P5Q-D P45 board with the latest bios and the setting I mentioned above is kind of far fetched. Now, your comments are reasonable though, I did not give this chip a deep look through because my return/replacement warranty was running out and I had to make the choice of spending a lot of time trying to figure out the problem and running the risk of not being able to return it if it was a dud or just returning it and hoping for the best with a replacement.
BTW, username Makubex_GB has the same CPU/Mobo/Ram as I do and used one of KET's modded bios's and got awesome results with a 1.25VID chip. When I get my replacement I will be posting results and asking for help here in this thread or the P5Q-D thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGanG
My bet would be on the older one, the one you bought. But it is still hit and miss with these things. If I had a choice I would go with the older box CPU but it might not matter at all:shrug:
Portcityslim, all the things you stated are reasonable enough, but your 45nm cpu plays different with your board than that 65nm cpu. You'd be surprised how an easier overclock it will be for you. Instead of merely moving voltages around,
1. Clear cmos
2. start all over from stock and move up in 5 increments, changing nothing till absolutely necessary, starting with vcore, vnb, and fsbt
3. Remember, that 9x450 is a higher speed than what your board was running previously, in my experience, you may need a tad higher nb to cope nicely with the speedier processor
4. Stay away from modded bioses for the moment until you know what is stable on a normal bios
Better luck.
PortCitySlim
Mate you run with my same luck on this new chips, don't get descouraged as i did, this was my second Q9650 and still don't get a good one...Also i talked to radaja that had the same problems than on my MF2 and In my country i can't RMA the board for that...so you can imagine...
Zucker2k
You are right to start ocing on that way
On my personal experience on this chips i must say that are awesome, they can boot higher clocks with very low volts, thing that i couldn't do with my 65nm quads, but to get it stable on the MF2 was a nightmare i put all my experience, many ppl here helped me a lot on tips but 2 was a months nightmare 1 day stable next hours not and so on, so...I quit i will be going to UD3P and if possible get a better chip
As for stuck sensors I must admit that's a shocking experience, my L825B513 was my first 45nm came in the old box, I did all the burn in and had it for a month on low volts (1,32), then start going up litle by little. I don't know if that affects OC or not but's really you must admit that something has to be wrong inside the chip and kindy annoying for the end user.
Either way we all know that this is like this and we can only keep going forward ;)
PortCitySlim the best for you on your next chip :up:
Zucker2k keep going very nice clocks there :up:
If anyone spots a nice Q9650 just tell me so this poor Uruguayan doesn't get "more" crazy on the search :rofl:
Cheers to all :up:
Sergio
I've been reading this thread long enough, time for me to contribute.
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...0/IMG_0595.jpg
Batch: L826A965
VID: 1.250
Board: P5Q Deluxe (open box from newegg)
Bios: 1702
DDR: OCZ Reaper 8500 2 x 2gb (5-5-5-18 @ 2.1 stock settings)
PS: Corsair 620HX
GPU: EVGA GTX260 @ 730-1574-1150
Cooling: dtek fuzion v1, swiftech mcr320 w med speed yate loons, mcp355 w/ petras top
Here's 4.250 500 x 8.5
Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Tested With 3DM vantage 14,005
No prime blend yet, I'm not that patient
Max temp: 74c
Settings:
Cpu: 1.38750v
GTL: 0.650
GTL: 0.650
PLL: 1.52
FSB: 1.50
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.40
NBGTL: 0.665
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...packstable.jpg
I also got stable at the following settings:
Here's 4.3 478 x 9
Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 8h+
Max temp: 74c
Settings:
Cpu: 1.38750v
GTL: 0.650
GTL: 0.650
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5
Here's 4.2 467 x 9
Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 6h+ (impatience got me)
Max temp: 62c
Settings:
Cpu: 1.33750v
GTL: 0.630
GTL: 0.630
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5
Here's 4.1 456 x 9
Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 6h+
Max temp: ?
Settings:
Cpu: 1.30000v
GTL: 0.630
GTL: 0.630
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5
Nice chip mate, what batch and vid is it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nkresho
Cheers
Sergio
^ updated 1.25, and L826A965
Zucker did you manage to get 500x9 stable on your X48 mobo?
testing ram @2.1Vdimm
BTW.. Small white box
Batch: L828A480
Vid: 1.225
http://i41.tinypic.com/xduhe8.jpg