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11-13-2005, 01:11 PM
cantankerous

if it wasn't for my new major problem I would have been one happy camper with your response but now I am really feeling bad about this card purchase. It seems my memory is getting worse and worse on thing. Just ran the automated clock checker again and now it tells me my memory is only good up to 513. It went from 549, to 540 to 513 in a matter of 3 days with no voltage change or higher clocks than that. Card is slowly dying I think.

Thanks for your response anyhow.
11-13-2005, 01:21 PM
gunit

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Originally Posted by revenant

Nope... this was covered, but it's the hyper transpo bus...

Anyways, what I wanted to add here that the DFI lanparty boards, with the extra molexs on the mobo for power really get a GOOD amount of voltage into the pci-e slots... I know this because coming from an MSI neo4 plat/sli it did not have those extra connectors, and it barely had enough juice to power my cards at GT speeds... I couldn't reach ultra speeds no matter what... too unstable.. but with the DFI this is not a problem. I was shocked at how well my cards overclocked on this mobo... went from 410/1070 max oc to 450/1230 (bench stable). while there is no way to boost it, I think the voltage is ample for good OCing... and pci-e video cards draw more voltage from the pci-e slots than the extra power connector... or so I hear... but I would say you're set on your DFI for that. You should not have to increase it beyond what it's at now.
imo

what extra molex? the 4 pin square one?
11-13-2005, 01:28 PM
dnottis

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

No, FEAR I don't have installed right now however Quake 4, and all 3dmarks show up just fine. I will admit I don't know too much about how vid cards work but I was wondering if maybe one of the 16 pipes was damaged or perhaps one of the 8 vertex shaders? If that is even possible.

It is weird cause all backgrounds and characters look fantastic, it is just effects that look screwed up.

Going through the options on the card such as soften shadows and the such can get rid of this anomoly, but only briefly. For the time being it is fine but when I go to change another option or start the game back up they come back again so I have no clue. If I disable soften shadows altogether it seems that this problem doesn't come back as often as when I leave it enabled to world only or everything. I tried 5.9 on shipped CD, 5.10a omega and 5.11 official and they all exhibit the same thing. Very, very strange to say the least. I am picking up two new 74GB raptors tomorrow and am going to format from fresh to see what I come up with. Either way card is 100% stable from crashes and 100% free of artifacts except for this nonsence in COD2.

Is it likely a game bug or damaged memory? Now I'm sad as I thought this card was the cats meow until this. I don't want to wait a whole new month for another CAT release just to see if this gets fixed up, or better yet, a longer wait for a patch to COD2 itself.

Anyone noticed anything similar in perhaps another game where backgrounds are mint but overlaying effects are fubared?

Yup with the XT too - its a driver bug.
11-13-2005, 01:35 PM
trans am

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

if it wasn't for my new major problem I would have been one happy camper with your response but now I am really feeling bad about this card purchase. It seems my memory is getting worse and worse on thing. Just ran the automated clock checker again and now it tells me my memory is only good up to 513. It went from 549, to 540 to 513 in a matter of 3 days with no voltage change or higher clocks than that. Card is slowly dying I think.

Thanks for your response anyhow.

I don't trust the auto clock checker. I have never made it through that damn thing without having my system reboot during the 20 or so minutes it takes. That thing can vary depending on the temps of the card etc. The real test is run your last highest overclock settings and do a 2005 or 2003 bench and see if it passes with out locking up or artifacting with a similar score of your last bench.
11-13-2005, 02:07 PM
cantankerous

The strange thing is that checker has never screwed up on me. My system has never halted or reset while running it. Each and every time I ran the checker my cards temp was the same. 52-54c. Never less, never more. I have no clue what is going on. The only reason I went to run it again is because 3D01 dropped to desktop which it, or anything else for that matter has over the past 3 days I have ran this card. Seeing my ram drastically drop in speed is making me sick to my stomach.

After all these reports of the COD2 bug finally coming in I have to realize this about my card. I thought it was just my card acting up in COD2 which is what made me further my testing. I am glad it is just a bug and not my card but now I have to figure out what is going to get this thing stable again at stock volts.
11-13-2005, 02:46 PM
Astennu

Could you try Quake 4 ? Just walk to a wall and look AT it i got black squares all over the place. IT was with omega 5.10a dirvers. And it was not my oc all was @ stock. May be it was a game setting to i just don't know yet.

But indeed some of these cards are realy strange i. I'm thinking of buy's a new ref 2 XT that has 650-775 standard. I whant to be out this mess. Hopefully there will be a X1800 XT 256 mb bios soon so we can test with stock higher voltages. Maybe that wil work ?
11-13-2005, 02:59 PM
trans am

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

The strange thing is that checker has never screwed up on me. My system has never halted or reset while running it. Each and every time I ran the checker my cards temp was the same. 52-54c. Never less, never more. I have no clue what is going on. The only reason I went to run it again is because 3D01 dropped to desktop which it, or anything else for that matter has over the past 3 days I have ran this card. Seeing my ram drastically drop in speed is making me sick to my stomach.

After all these reports of the COD2 bug finally coming in I have to realize this about my card. I thought it was just my card acting up in COD2 which is what made me further my testing. I am glad it is just a bug and not my card but now I have to figure out what is going to get this thing stable again at stock volts.

So is it just me or is anyone else getting system reboots during the ccc auto clock utility?
11-13-2005, 03:36 PM
spajdr

trans_am : no, you are not alone, ATI just can make anything normal now :-/
11-13-2005, 03:42 PM
Gavinni

Benched my X1800XL at stock everything on my AMD64 3200+ @2.4ghz (s754) and got 7160 score for 05, that looks about right from what ive seen. Downloaded the OC tool and set it to 630 core with 1.225 and 700 ram with 1.95, here is the interesting thing tho, my score is only 7928 with those settings. Isn't that incredibly low? The XT's are scoring 9000 and thats basicly XT speed, so why is it 1000 less? Is the OC tool drooping or underclocking or whats going on? Is this right?
11-13-2005, 03:45 PM
spajdr

Gavinni : test mother nature test in 3D Mark 03 and tell me fps from place when you look into trees with turtle, how much your fps fall there.
11-13-2005, 03:49 PM
Gavinni

k the first scene goes to 29 when u can see the trees and the turtle, then when it goes upclose to the turtle and looks into the trees it goes down to 35
11-13-2005, 03:53 PM
spajdr

ok, its fine then, cause i dont know what happened but some updates from microsoft f00ked something with my card and it drops to 22 and also other bench programs shows similar drops, reinstalled windows .. dont using SP2 and its ok again.
11-13-2005, 03:54 PM
Gavinni

So why is the score so low?
11-13-2005, 04:10 PM
Kashelz

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Originally Posted by Gavinni

So why is the score so low?

I think the problem is: AMD64 3200+ @2.4ghz (s754)! On one X1800XT review I saw the difference of the cards performance dependance of the CPU, it is limiting at this point! When it was clocked higher 3Dmark score increased too :stick:

Your CPU cant be as fast as your VGA card :D
11-13-2005, 04:12 PM
Gavinni

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Originally Posted by Kashelz

I think the problem is: AMD64 3200+ @2.4ghz (s754)! On one X1800XT review I saw the difference of the cards performance dependance of the CPU, it is limiting at this point! When it was clocked higher 3Dmark score increased too :stick:

Your CPU cant be as fast as your VGA card :D

How does that explain my stock score being right on target? Your logic doesnt make a lot of sense =O a s754 at 2.4ghz is still plenty fast even when compared to s939 3000+'s and 3200+'s. CPU limitation does not impact an 05 score by 1000 points.
11-13-2005, 04:45 PM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by Gavinni

Benched my X1800XL at stock everything on my AMD64 3200+ @2.4ghz (s754) and got 7160 score for 05, that looks about right from what ive seen. Downloaded the OC tool and set it to 630 core with 1.225 and 700 ram with 1.95, here is the interesting thing tho, my score is only 7928 with those settings. Isn't that incredibly low? The XT's are scoring 9000 and thats basicly XT speed, so why is it 1000 less? Is the OC tool drooping or underclocking or whats going on? Is this right?

Im getting just for refrence 8.6k with 625/750. There seems to be a very nice boost in preformance upping the mem speed.
11-13-2005, 05:04 PM
Nunyabiz

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Originally Posted by Gavinni

Benched my X1800XL at stock everything on my AMD64 3200+ @2.4ghz (s754) and got 7160 score for 05, that looks about right from what ive seen. Downloaded the OC tool and set it to 630 core with 1.225 and 700 ram with 1.95, here is the interesting thing tho, my score is only 7928 with those settings. Isn't that incredibly low? The XT's are scoring 9000 and thats basicly XT speed, so why is it 1000 less? Is the OC tool drooping or underclocking or whats going on? Is this right?

Make sure all setting are set to application preference or performance in CCC.
11-13-2005, 07:37 PM
railer

do these card have a coldbug? Anyone tested them on phasechange? I'm thinking of getting one = AGP version from Dimond for my Dothan rig ;) . And what about FEAR did anyone had IQ glitches with it. Can anyon benchmark FEAR I hope ATi will comeout with driver fix soon
11-13-2005, 09:21 PM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by railer

do these card have a coldbug? Anyone tested them on phasechange? I'm thinking of getting one = AGP version from Dimond for my Dothan rig ;) . And what about FEAR did anyone had IQ glitches with it. Can anyon benchmark FEAR I hope ATi will comeout with driver fix soon

There is no AGP version of this card and probley wont be one either.

As for FEAR IQ. I havn't noticed any glitches in that case. Just in some places the frames would drop quiet a bit, but hitting escape and going back would fix it and I'd get more. Wierd glitch I'd say.
11-13-2005, 09:23 PM
railer

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Originally Posted by deathman20

There is no AGP version of this card and probley wont be one either.

As for FEAR IQ. I havn't noticed any glitches in that case. Just in some places the frames would drop quiet a bit, but hitting escape and going back would fix it and I'd get more. Wierd glitch I'd say.

hehe i gues you didnt hear the news. New AGP version is coming . I realy want to know if the card has coldbug. Coman peopl this is XS and noone has put one on phase yet?
http://www.diamondmm.com/X1800256PCI.php
11-13-2005, 09:26 PM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by railer

hehe i gues you didnt hear the news. New AGP version is coming . I realy want to know if the card has coldbug. Coman peopl this is XS and noone has put one on phase yet?
http://www.diamondmm.com/X1800256PCI.php

Ya guess I didn't hear that then, heard the smaller ones X1300 and X1600's where getting AGP but not this sieres.

And yes theres a coldbug problem currently, reading through here and other posts about the XL/XT's you'll find it.
11-13-2005, 11:09 PM
mR Yellow

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

I am not sure if it is the new CAT 5.11 but I have weird anomolies in COD2. All effects are blocky squares instead of looking the way they should. Smoke, fire, lantern flames, explosions etc. Everything else is crystal clean. I put the card back to stock speed 500/500 and same thing and I even raised volts and same thing. I hope it is just a driver issue with this game and the new CAT 5.11 cause I can't make those badly rendered effects go away with this card.

I had that problem with the 5.10a, but my COD2 is working properly with 5.11.
Will check for u tonight and post my settings. Maybe the display settings changed to autodetect with new drivers.
11-14-2005, 06:08 AM
cantankerous

I started getting this last night when I run 05. Notice the rainbow border around the screen? What in Lords name is happening to my card.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/978...nbow3ko.th.jpg

so sad is what I am.
11-14-2005, 06:14 AM
deathman20

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

I started getting this last night when I run 05. Notice the rainbow border around the screen? What in Lords name is happening to my card.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/978...nbow3ko.th.jpg

so sad is what I am.

Very odd, but now im convinced that, thats no driver glitch anymore. I have a good feeling that an RMA is in order. Thats @ stock right?
11-14-2005, 06:17 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

I started getting this last night when I run 05. Notice the rainbow border around the screen? What in Lords name is happening to my card.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/978...nbow3ko.th.jpg

so sad is what I am.

Thats weird :confused:
Never seen something like that before.

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