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03-30-2006, 03:35 PM
lawrywild

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2596.27 (236.02 x 11.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 / 65.6 Watts

why do I have 2 TDPs??
03-30-2006, 04:21 PM
Delirious

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2754.33 (306.04 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts
03-30-2006, 04:26 PM
pcdoc1

I continue to not understand the value of TCaseMax.... My best OC Opty is a 170 that runs 2850@1.475... TCaseMax = 49.0C.

I've seen TCaseMax in various threads as high as 71.0C yet I haven't seen great clocks related to the results...

Please explain... Thanx
03-30-2006, 05:38 PM
impression

3000+ venice LBBWE 0603 APCW E6

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...sions/case.jpg
03-30-2006, 05:43 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by impression

3000+ venice LBBWE 0603 APCW E6

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...sions/case.jpg

...and
03-30-2006, 05:53 PM
impression

heh, well basicly the higher the max case temp the better the overclock achievable especially if you are only using stock air like myself

Every chip though is unique and i actually have a low MCT average is about the 60 mark but i still manage 300*9 on stock air 32mb pie stable

so yeah generally the higher the max case temp the higher clock frequencies you can achieve with less voltage and higher frequency overall ( there are many excemptions but this is the general rule of thumb)
03-30-2006, 06:00 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by impression

heh, well basicly the higher the max case temp the better the overclock achievable especially if you are only using stock air like myself

Every chip though is unique and i actually have a low MCT average is about the 60 mark but i still manage 300*9 on stock air 32mb pie stable

so yeah generally the higher the max case temp the higher clock frequencies you can achieve with less voltage and higher frequency overall ( there are many excemptions but this is the general rule of thumb)

I've been watching this TCaseMax for months and I haven't seen anything that varifies your reply, enlighten me please...
03-30-2006, 07:02 PM
impression

well, lets say my mct is 60c that means the cpu will run up to and keep stability to 60 degrees

so if i was running air cooling and had a really big number like 65-70 as my max case temp then that would be awesome as it would let me increase voltage as need be as i have a bit of leeway when it comes to tempreture. But having said that individual cpu's can only work so fast but having a h igher max case temp makes it easier to get to that limit wherever it may be :)

that's also why people with water cooling generally have better overclocks that people on air cooling as they can keep the tempreture below that threshold of stability
03-30-2006, 07:35 PM
Diverge

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3480/mycpu27no.jpg

I never understood the MaxT either... never saw any results that prove higher MaxT equals higher overclocking. My MaxT is only 49, but clocks just as high on air as the guy above me, and he has a higher MaxT.

Edit: and my maxt is the same is pcdoc1's, same cpu type too (opty 170), yet his clocks a lot higher and at a much lower voltage.
03-30-2006, 08:02 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by impression

well, lets say my mct is 60c that means the cpu will run up to and keep stability to 60 degrees

so if i was running air cooling and had a really big number like 65-70 as my max case temp then that would be awesome as it would let me increase voltage as need be as i have a bit of leeway when it comes to tempreture. But having said that individual cpu's can only work so fast but having a h igher max case temp makes it easier to get to that limit wherever it may be :)

that's also why people with water cooling generally have better overclocks that people on air cooling as they can keep the tempreture below that threshold of stability

This is no more than fantasy and something to talk ‘bout... If you monitor the 1000’s of post here on this topic, the results are all over the place and suggest no reasonable conclusion…

Three cheers to the guy that wrote the app as good coder’s are hard to find, but the TCaseMax variable has proven to be insignificant…

And, your conclusion of:

Air – you can expect this…
Water – you can expect this…
Phase – you can expect this…

Is all mental masturbation without foundation...

So once and for all let’s save the bandwidth, the storage space and prove this “BS”... Otherwise, put it to bed…

Regards-
03-31-2006, 02:07 PM
Viss

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ase146FPMW.jpg
03-31-2006, 02:32 PM
tsuehpsyde

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2806.35 (311.82 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83
03-31-2006, 05:02 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by loc.o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ase146FPMW.jpg

Nothing personal, this proves what? ;)
03-31-2006, 06:07 PM
ren

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2604.41 (306.40 x 8.5)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83
04-01-2006, 06:30 AM
Viss

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Nothing personal, this proves what? ;)

The point you made earlier i guess.....:D
04-02-2006, 09:13 PM
ST4

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

This is no more than fantasy and something to talk ‘bout... If you monitor the 1000’s of post here on this topic, the results are all over the place and suggest no reasonable conclusion…

Three cheers to the guy that wrote the app as good coder’s are hard to find, but the TCaseMax variable has proven to be insignificant…

Since you like to be into quantifiable numbers, please detail your "proven" numbers that show it is statistically insignificant. Some extrapolations with info like:

CPUID: AAA (i.e Opty 165)
TcaseMax: XXX
TDP: YYY
Cooling: ZZZ

Would love to see someone that has "montiored the 1000's of posts here" to see some relevance whether it is generally significant or not (seems important since AMD themselves have value registers assigned for this in there manufacturing fab process).
04-02-2006, 10:08 PM
Slammin

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2900.07 (290.01 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 51C
TDP: 45.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83
04-03-2006, 05:10 AM
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04-03-2006, 05:47 AM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST4

Since you like to be into quantifiable numbers, please detail your "proven" numbers that show it is statistically insignificant. Some extrapolations with info like:

CPUID: AAA (i.e Opty 165)
TcaseMax: XXX
TDP: YYY
Cooling: ZZZ

LOL, this is the typical response to this question… Reread my post (here and the other thread you’re posting in), the question is when you jump and cheer ‘bout a particular TMaxCase or TDP number you must have a reason… I was asking what that reason is since these numbers appear irrelevant. One of your responses was “Awesome, can’t wait to see that OC”… My question was, what is awesome ‘bout it, there must be some reason you feel that way… Since you are apparently responsive and encouraged by a particular TCaseMax result what’s the basis for that. If you have no rational basis for it, and therefore don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine too. But don’t attempt to challenge someone else to build your case for you… :slapass:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST4

Would love to see someone that has "montiored the 1000's of posts here" to see some relevance whether it is generally significant or not (seems important since AMD themselves have value registers assigned for this in there manufacturing fab process).

The key words here are "Seems Important". So what, why is this important to us? If this TCaseMax thing is just information sharing then hell with it, let's start some threads that have REAL value like:
Please post you maximun OC while it's raining outside... (must include a pic of wet grass) :(
04-03-2006, 08:30 AM
ST4

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

LOL, this is the typical response to this question… Reread my post (here and the other thread you’re posting in), the question is when you jump and cheer ‘bout a particular TMaxCase or TDP number you must have a reason… I was asking what that reason is since these numbers appear irrelevant. One of your responses was “Awesome, can’t wait to see that OC”… My question was, what is awesome ‘bout it, there must be some reason you feel that way… Since you are apparently responsive and encouraged by a particular TCaseMax result what’s the basis for that. If you have no rational basis for it, and therefore don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine too. But don’t attempt to challenge someone else to build your case for you… :slapass:

The key words here are "Seems Important". So what, why is this important to us? If this TCaseMax thing is just information sharing then hell with it, let's start some threads that have REAL value like:
Please post you maximun OC while it's raining outside... (must include a pic of wet grass) :(

Since you have no first hand empirical experience with it whatsoever, instead like to hypothesize and make little retorts here and there, I'll give you an idea of my experiences: qty. 2 X2's (3800 and 4200) + qty 4 Opterons (3-165's and 1 170's). The best OCer's I've seen on MY system, with MY setup, are with the ones that exhibit the higher Tcasemax / TDP numbers. My lower OCers generally are within the median range of tcase/tdp numbers.

As for rationale extrapolations, there are way to many variables to generalize from one system to another, but for the most part what I see is that higher TDP / Tcasemax numbers seem to indicate more OC potential when combined with better cooling and motherboard/memory combinations. Again, if you have empirical evidence to refute that, please share instead of talking out of your :slapass:
04-03-2006, 10:14 AM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST4

but for the most part what I see is that higher TDP / Tcasemax numbers seem to indicate more OC potential when combined with better cooling and motherboard/memory combinations. Again, if you have empirical evidence to refute that, please share instead of talking out of your :slapass:

Well thanks, that only took 'bout five post to get you to answer the question.... Fortunately this answer was quite clear and pretty hard to refute: it seems to suggest…. or these indicate that maybe…. or there’s too many variables to…. :) :)

That was the point, so I certainly won’t bother you further on this topic.... I’d also guess you won’t respond to my OC in the Rain thread.
04-03-2006, 12:23 PM
ST4

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Well thanks, that only took 'bout five post to get you to answer the question.... Fortunately this answer was quite clear and pretty hard to refute: it seems to suggest…. or these indicate that maybe…. or there’s too many variables to…. :) :)

That was the point, so I certainly won’t bother you further on this topic.... I’d also guess you won’t respond to my OC in the Rain thread.

sorry i don't have much time to post, much less read these forums regularly and check every topic or post my opinioins thereof. I don't know what your other OC topic is, but if I could help and have time, I would...
04-03-2006, 12:47 PM
Grinch

to me this tells me nothing....perhaps I am just ignorant...:toast:
04-03-2006, 12:54 PM
Turkish

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2598.04 (259.80 x 10.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 65.6 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83
04-10-2006, 08:09 AM
The Coolest

Version 1.19
Fixed a bug with program's GUI.
Fixed a potential problem with Opterons from big OEMs TDP/TCM not reported.

Version 1.18
Fixed a bug with reporting TDP on newer X2 4200+ CPUs.
Fixed a bug where CnQ was not supported and VCore field is empty, the field wouldn't be grayed out.

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