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07-31-2005, 09:30 PM
rise4310

'bout time i see you post here ninja, lol. now i gotta validate my 260 i guess
07-31-2005, 09:38 PM
NinjaWreck

Cool, I can go a little higher with looser timings, but I'm gonna save that for my new CPU.
08-01-2005, 04:47 AM
jmax01

XSers,
I will be building a 4400+ x2, DFI NF4 SLI-DR, EVGA 7800gtx with the new OCZ PC4000 2x1024 (from ATACOM.COM).

I am using the big typhoon for cooling and a cooler master stacker case. I am hopping to get at least 2750 @ 250.

I should have it complete weds.
I will post as soon as it is ready.

I will be running Superpi, Prime and of course the BF2.

Any one have max safe voltage and temp for the 4400?
Cheers
J
08-01-2005, 05:17 AM
brandinb

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmax01

XSers,
I will be building a 4400+ x2, DFI NF4 SLI-DR, EVGA 7800gtx with the new OCZ PC4000 2x1024 (from ATACOM.COM).

I am using the big typhoon for cooling and a cooler master stacker case. I am hopping to get at least 2750 @ 250.

I should have it complete weds.
I will post as soon as it is ready.

I will be running Superpi, Prime and of course the BF2.

Any one have max safe voltage and temp for the 4400?
Cheers
J

great jcom please remember to share results of that ram!!!

i think 1.6volts or lower is recomended when using both cores of that cpu...
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08-01-2005, 05:38 AM
jmax01

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandinb

great jmax please remember to share results of that ram!!!

i think 1.6volts or lower is recomended when using both cores of that cpu...

Thanks for the info. I will put in as much detail as possible.
Wish me luck :)
08-01-2005, 09:11 AM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmax01

XSers,
I will be building a 4400+ x2, DFI NF4 SLI-DR, EVGA 7800gtx with the new OCZ PC4000 2x1024 (from ATACOM.COM).

I am using the big typhoon for cooling and a cooler master stacker case. I am hopping to get at least 2750 @ 250.

I should have it complete weds.
I will post as soon as it is ready.

I will be running Superpi, Prime and of course the BF2.

Any one have max safe voltage and temp for the 4400?
Cheers
J

4400+ Retail here
You'll do fine, I don't think the OCZ is running high clocks like the Crucial though, but at 250 you are supposed to be at least guaranteed that speed. I am at 2.7 (246x11) with XP-120 and 3x120mm 1x92mm in a Thermaltake Tsunami Dream case. Running 1.55v and 99% stable with both cores Primed all day/night, did get one error so far but that was due to AC being off all day at 83'F ambient room temp, otherwise with normal house temp of 79'F there are zero issues.

Trying 247+x11 did not work for me and I refuse to go past 1.55/1.6v just seems not worth the risk. I don't think many people are doing >2.6/2.7 on air though most are water cooling 2.8 and such. Idle temp for me is 38-39'F and 100% dual cores about 54-55'F up to 58-59'F if AC is at 83'F during the day while at work.
08-01-2005, 09:26 AM
David Coleman

any nf2 results yet>?
08-01-2005, 09:40 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Major

Excellent results !

What Tref are you using ? bios ? volts ? etc ?

tref 200/15.6 seems to get the best bandwith

16clks

2.85volts

bios 704-2
08-01-2005, 10:23 AM
Truckchase!

Suggestion for the DB:

If possible, could you put some basic pricing info and links to some online retailers as applicable to the modules that are showing up in the DB?

Thanks! :toast:
08-01-2005, 01:21 PM
jmax01

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentium777

4400+ Retail here
You'll do fine, I don't think the OCZ is running high clocks like the Crucial though, but at 250 you are supposed to be at least guaranteed that speed. I am at 2.7 (246x11) with XP-120 and 3x120mm 1x92mm in a Thermaltake Tsunami Dream case. Running 1.55v and 99% stable with both cores Primed all day/night, did get one error so far but that was due to AC being off all day at 83'F ambient room temp, otherwise with normal house temp of 79'F there are zero issues.

Trying 247+x11 did not work for me and I refuse to go past 1.55/1.6v just seems not worth the risk. I don't think many people are doing >2.6/2.7 on air though most are water cooling 2.8 and such. Idle temp for me is 38-39'F and 100% dual cores about 54-55'F up to 58-59'F if AC is at 83'F during the day while at work.

Pent,

Thanks for the 411. I have not yet seen any results for the new ocz pc4000. I know you are very active on a bunch boards have seen any posts?

Cheers,
Jmax017
08-01-2005, 05:57 PM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truckchase!

Suggestion for the DB:

If possible, could you put some basic pricing info and links to some online retailers as applicable to the modules that are showing up in the DB?

Thanks! :toast:

Prices change so frequently, it'd be a hassle to keep up. So I'm gonna have to decline that request.

DB Update. :)
08-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Unrealcpu

#1

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnJoY

Prices change so frequently, it'd be a hassle to keep up. So I'm gonna have to decline that request.

DB Update. :)

:)

Please update DB

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...G1001/BEAT.jpg
08-01-2005, 08:30 PM
nugzo

Not so Fast

294

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=30183

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5285/2945ks.jpg
08-01-2005, 10:02 PM
xenolith

I don't understand this sudden rush to adopt to a 2x1024MB config. :confused:

Isn't 4x512 at 250MHz 2-2-2-2t faster than 2x1024MB @ 250MHz 3-3-3-1t? I would think 2-3-2-2t is at least equal to 3-3-3-1t.

It has been proven time and time again, because of the A64's integrated mem controller, 1t CPC isn't as important with A64 as it was with AMD XP because of bandwith limitations. I've seen several sources that show going from 1t to 2t will result in less than a 5% hit in real world performance (could not care less about synthetic benchmark scores). Where going from 2-2-2 to 3-3-3 will result in slightly more of a hit (10%-15%?). Net result = 5%-10% hit going with 3-3-3-1t.
08-01-2005, 10:42 PM
Truckchase!

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnJoY

Prices change so frequently, it'd be a hassle to keep up. So I'm gonna have to decline that request.

DB Update. :)

I'm sorry, I kinda misstated that... I meant more along the lines of a per user basis, so the info would be static. Optional info obviously, but when it's included it would give a general idea of what kind of money is required to get the listed sticks.

... then again, this is Xtreme Systems, and I realize that budgeting isn't on the top of most peoples priorities here. :D
08-02-2005, 05:05 AM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenolith

I don't understand this sudden rush to adopt to a 2x1024MB config. :confused:

Isn't 4x512 at 250MHz 2-2-2-2t faster than 2x1024MB @ 250MHz 3-3-3-1t? I would think 2-3-2-2t is at least equal to 3-3-3-1t.

It has been proven time and time again, because of the A64's integrated mem controller, 1t CPC isn't as important with A64 as it was with AMD XP because of bandwith limitations. I've seen several sources that show going from 1t to 2t will result in less than a 5% hit in real world performance (could not care less about synthetic benchmark scores). Where going from 2-2-2 to 3-3-3 will result in slightly more of a hit (10%-15%?). Net result = 5%-10% hit going with 3-3-3-1t.

4x512 positively will have to have much loser timings, case in point, I had ordered a while ago PC3500 BH-5 Corsair ram 4x512 config obviously this runs no problem 2-2-2-5 @ 200 FSB, however per Corsair's own words from support 2.5-3-3-6/7 usually is needed when running double sided fully populated memory slots.

Besides the fact my 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer config was stable 24/7 @ 282 and maxed at 289 I would say going with 2x1GB is a good idea if you have the means HUGE difference in BF2 map loading and overall smoothness, no more in flight hiccups that cause me to lose my target or crash into a tower etc.

I am not too sure about 3-3-3-8 taking that big of a performance hit like you mention, I do get 6900-6950 Sandra scores @ 246 FSB (due to 11x multi to max out CPU @ 2.7ghz) at 282 I got 7050-7100 sandra memory speeds
08-02-2005, 06:08 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmax01

Pent,

Thanks for the 411. I have not yet seen any results for the new ocz pc4000. I know you are very active on a bunch boards have seen any posts?

Cheers,
Jmax017

had both. the micron chips go significantly higher.
08-02-2005, 06:12 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

294

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=30183

Good work. :toast: I'm going to have to try those timings and see if mine do the same.
08-02-2005, 07:07 AM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

Good work. :toast: I'm going to have to try those timings and see if mine do the same.

Thanks :woot:
08-02-2005, 07:24 AM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

had both. the micron chips go significantly higher.

Sorry my experiences with OCZ (bad stick of ram) and trying to get sample product for our company have been very poor, I don't invest any time into testing with them anymore. I do hear a lot of people like them though.
08-02-2005, 08:25 AM
xenolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentium777

4x512 positively will have to have much loser timings, case in point, I had ordered a while ago PC3500 BH-5 Corsair ram 4x512 config obviously this runs no problem 2-2-2-5 @ 200 FSB, however per Corsair's own words from support 2.5-3-3-6/7 usually is needed when running double sided fully populated memory slots.

Besides the fact my 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer config was stable 24/7 @ 282 and maxed at 289 I would say going with 2x1GB is a good idea if you have the means HUGE difference in BF2 map loading and overall smoothness, no more in flight hiccups that cause me to lose my target or crash into a tower etc.

I am not too sure about 3-3-3-8 taking that big of a performance hit like you mention, I do get 6900-6950 Sandra scores @ 246 FSB (due to 11x multi to max out CPU @ 2.7ghz) at 282 I got 7050-7100 sandra memory speeds

I've seen a couple people reach 250 FSB @ 2-2-2-2t with 4x512 of Redline PC4000.

Again, I couldn't care less about Sandra scores because they're meaningless, to me. Real world apps don't see the same kind of performance disparity between low and high FSB with A64 except maybe Winrar and SuperPI, lol.

But lets say you're right, no 4x512 configs will be able to go higher than 200MHz with latency settings at 2-2-2-2t. So what? With A64, significantly higher memory FSB (i.e., say 294MHz :p: ) does not translate into significantly better system performance anyway. In fact hasn't it been proven that there's actually a real world performance gain (mainly in gaming) when using mem dividers (~200 FSB) and lower latency settings?

I know this is extreme systems, blah, blah, blah... we need to overclock everything 'til it bleeds, lol. But wouldn't us "extreme" members also want to concentrate on maximizing our overlocks where it would do the most good, lower memory latencies, faster CPUs, and faster video cards?

I understand the new need for 2GB's of good memory, but please tell me what I'm missing with all this rush for a higher memory FSB at the sacrifice of lower latencies.
08-02-2005, 10:10 AM
xgman

At some point higher htt compensates for lower latencies.
08-02-2005, 10:17 AM
xenolith

That's probably true, but at what point? Whether we're talking high freq. or low latency, the real app performance differences are very small to the point of not being noticeable.
08-02-2005, 10:35 AM
EnJoY

3-4-4 timings are hard to get to perform well, even at 300mhz and above. However, 3-3-3 isn't so bad, and at around 280MHz...I think we see performance on par with 2-2-2 at 255-260mhz or so.
08-02-2005, 11:21 AM
xgman

I don't understand these results in this review below in the face of what we are seeing in this thread:

http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...tid=163&page=9

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