I'm sure if that will be proven that the most people want single piece design, it is not a problem to make Ver 1 (fixed size) production run. Just voice your opinion.
Me personally after modular style for my gaming rig.
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I'm sure if that will be proven that the most people want single piece design, it is not a problem to make Ver 1 (fixed size) production run. Just voice your opinion.
Me personally after modular style for my gaming rig.
@churchy
Bear in mind, that is not a monsta rad in my pics. so number of 90deg fitings for mosta is monsta big :D
It is not a problem for you to say so, but it is a huge one for Feser to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazmode
Imho the reason they went for the second version is that is cost less to produce.
Once I get one, these were the quick shots before Daz had to make his video in Las Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
When I first looked at the video I didnt realize that the water went down each tube individually.
If I were making this rad I would offer a selection of different end plates for different users.
The first would be completely open with one fitting, so you would have a single pass rad with a fitting at each end. This would give very low restriction and a fitting at each end may be convenient for some builds.
The second would have two chambers at one end with a fitting in each, the other end would be open with no fittings, giving you a two pass rad with both fittings at the same end.
You could have higher numbers of passes if there was any performance advantage.
As to the effectiveness of the tubes themselves I have no idea but the fact that feser have built a rad with the water passing up and down so many times makes me question there ability.
Personally I dont think it will offer any performance benefit over a traditional rad, but I would be happy to be proven wrong :)
Meh i had the same concern when talking to the guys at feser.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
B4 they let me finish, they said for the freaks like me, there would be a paralell plate to distribute the flow out paralell.
Anyhow im gonna wait for numbers b4 i pass my judgements.
But what did crack me up is listening to someone say, they had to get a full explanation on the modular design drawn on a napkin inside a hotel lobby to understand how it worked.
:rofl:
But it seemed interesting.... no more requirements of going off to get set size rads, but building your own in a sense as needed.
All we just need now is numbers.
Air resistance through a radiator is dependant entirely on surface area. Essentially what this means for the Admirals is that the monsta (with the most surface area per fan) is going to be best suited for high speed fans and the other thinner ones for low speed. This is of course unless they are varying the density of 'fins' on the tubes, but I have yet to hear mention of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Also unless they have managed to break the laws of physics the rate of heat transfer from radiator to air for a given surface area isn't going to be any different to current rads, meaning it's going to perform pretty much the same as traditional style radiators. However due to the large gap between the fan mounts and the actual core of the radiator there may be a performance increase since the extra space will essentially act as a shroud.
Skinnee, I like your pictures. It doesn't look as bad as I though. Do you have a pic of the little piece used to connect them?
And I disagree about the comment on German engineering being overly complex. Traditionally, I believe the opposite has been true (at least in my field of engineering).
In general yes, but there's more to the physics than just surface area. Who knows what they've done though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pluck
Nope, they said not to bother since that piece was changing once they got back to Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
Indeed, things such as using different materials will change heat transfer rate, but I doubt we'll be seeing radiators made out of anything more conductive than copper, so there aren't really many improvements to be had that I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
Of course I could be wrong and feser could have pulled some witchcraft, but I'm pretty doubtful.
NaeKuh: did they really told "for freaks like you"? Nice PR to deal with community they already are not exactly on best terms at :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TskRZ...eature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDZelLYULVk&feature=sub
I hear accents, so they must be smart :D
So they're trying to implement a whole new standard with these radiators. Whether or not that happens, only time will tell.
Bah, double post.
I think there is something to be said here..........
I am not trying to start "admiral gate", but this radiator left the Golden Nugget with Skinnee and I to take home to test and leak pics etc.
The next day TFC came to my hotel room and asked me if they can borrow it for a video.
Now MY engineering sample is in Canada?
What the community here does not know is that TFC did not put the initial investment capital up to get to this point.
FrozenCPU put the money up to see this radiator develop. A lot of money, up front, 8 months ago.
So, I ask the community at this point......... where are these radiators and why did my engineering sample go to Canada and not home with Skinnee or myself?
Must be something pretty epic for this to be FrozenCPU's first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenCPU
Mark, is that you? Good to see you here man and sorry to hear about this. . .just one more thing to add to my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenCPU
Also had a thought about the 3.5M comment from Mario while at work. Does anyone else have a problem with the math?
Thanks.......
FrozenCPU is absolutely in disbelief that our engineering sample that we left the Golden Nugget with was not returned as promised by Martin from TFC as he sat on my bed in my hotel room at CES and promised to return it after an "interview".
How is our sample with Dazmode in Canada? We support Dazmode, we love him, ( Mr. Bean ) . This is not about Dazmode, this is about Martin and Mario from TFC making yet another egregious business error. (Besides mine, back in Sept)
FrozenCPU put up 40k euro to develop the admiral last Sept. It is bad enough that after a plethora of failed promises from TFC to have product month after month we are insulted in the following manner....
1)to be presented with an engineering sample on one evening and in the morning ask for it back for a promotional video promising to return it in 1 hour.
2) Not retuning it. Incessantly calling my cell phone demanding my presence at the XS party because you felt uncomfortable there.
3) Letting the one sample leave your hands to someone else that has far less of a financial stake in the launch, procurement and success of this product.
4) Threatening FrozenCPU.com to either file and hold the Admiral patent in the United Stated or not get reimbursed for initial investment of 40k Euro.
I have more.......... but this will get us started.....
You want to go to war; I will take you to war.
Mark
President
FrozenCPU.com
Oh my :eek:
All in all, Feser just made one sample of the radiator and travels with it round the globe showing everyone.
Remind me of a young kid who just got his first A at school and want everybody to know it.
imho, a single product sample for a company being "in biz for 20 years now" is... epic fail
dude he meant it as a total joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
dont take it as an offense.
He had a total smirk on his face, and gave me a sucker punch as a notion of pun when he said it.
He knows my stand on vendors, which is why they all called me a freak.
LOL...
Seriously you guys.. half the things we read on the forum about them is off.
They are nice guys.. maybe there business style and practice is kinda off, but person wise, they were amiable.
Infact all the vendors i met that night were downright cool to hang out with.
Even eddy's business partner who we never hear about was totally fun to talk to.
You guys really need to attend the XS party to get a grasp at who these guys are.
:off: it is not his first post. He head posts in this thread erlier. don't know why, but the post counter has stuck for FrozenCPU :off:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkuatika
adur.. cuz he's frozen!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
:rofl:
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
nice ONE
Hi Frozen,
Does that 40k include a batch of rads at the end of it or is it just the development costs??