Swiftech unveils Apogee XT new flagship waterblock

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12-20-2009, 08:04 AM
davidm71

Who wants an XT?

I got an XT if anyone wants to beat the 15% restock fee spread at Petra. Bran new....
12-20-2009, 08:06 AM
rge

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidm71

What are you talking about close to the limit? He's maxing out at 61 degrees. I thought the limit was around 80 degrees?

Anyhow I want to know his ambient?

I am thinking Cestree was looking at his air temps of 89C max when he said that...but yeah his water temps are very good at 61C max.

You can judge approximate ambients by looking at realtemp minimum temps. On his water screenshot, at 4200, 1.36v core idle on water, ambients will be ~11-13C lower than avg minimum core temps, so ambient in 19-22C range, or little lower if water had been heated from previous loading or gpu in loop.

His air screen shot cant judge ambients because Realtemp was started 20 secs after starting linx, so not true min idle temps.

But would have been interesting to see ambients recorded in both, or at least realtemp min temps.
12-20-2009, 08:20 AM
cesthree

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidm71

What are you talking about close to the limit? He's maxing out at 61 degrees. I thought the limit was around 80 degrees?

Anyhow I want to know his ambient?

It was early when I posted. I missed that he had an Extreme CPU, also that it is a 1366 i7. I had 1156 stuck in my head. I really screwed up. Sorry.

Ace, please disregard that link, and the information I gave you. I was mistaken on the CPU that you have. I am sorry.

I am going to agree that since you have an Extreme Series CPU, you can raise your CPU multiplier without having to raise the BCLK that high.

It is unecessary to raise the BCLK that high when you could just raise the CPU multi.

Example: 133(BCLK) * 32(MULTI) = 4265Mhz(CPU FREQUENCY)

Your CPU multiplier is unlocked up, and down.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=2

I am unfamiliar with this sites CPU stickies, or I would have guided you there.

Also, please realize that I do not have experience with the Bloomfield i7. Again, it was early and I made a mistake.

You should look to the other members replies to help you with your temps, and do some searching for additional informations.
12-20-2009, 08:24 AM
cesthree

Quote:

Originally Posted by rge

I am thinking Cestree was looking at his air temps of 89C max when he said that...but yeah his water temps are very good at 61C max.

You can judge approximate ambients by looking at realtemp minimum temps. On his water screenshot, at 4200, 1.36v core idle on water, ambients will be ~11-13C lower than avg minimum core temps, so ambient in 19-22C range, or little lower if water had been heated from previous loading or gpu in loop.

His air screen shot cant judge ambients because Realtemp was started 20 secs after starting linx, so not true min idle temps.

But would have been interesting to see ambients recorded in both, or at least realtemp min temps.

Wow, I was tired or something. I missed the air and water differences too.

"Hi, my name is cesthree, and most of you probably think I am an idiot right now. Like, how does this guy even breathe through his mouth?"

I will really, really try to refrain from posting such crap in the future. My bad.

Those air temps were high, the water temps look awesome. I wish that my temps looked that good with my liquid cooling.
12-20-2009, 10:16 AM
AceBaran

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesthree

Wow, I was tired or something. I missed the air and water differences too.

"Hi, my name is cesthree, and most of you probably think I am an idiot right now. Like, how does this guy even breathe through his mouth?"

I will really, really try to refrain from posting such crap in the future. My bad.

Those air temps were high, the water temps look awesome. I wish that my temps looked that good with my liquid cooling.

Hey man dont worry about it.. no harm done :)
12-20-2009, 10:39 AM
AceBaran

Quote:

Originally Posted by rge

I am thinking Cestree was looking at his air temps of 89C max when he said that...but yeah his water temps are very good at 61C max.

You can judge approximate ambients by looking at realtemp minimum temps. On his water screenshot, at 4200, 1.36v core idle on water, ambients will be ~11-13C lower than avg minimum core temps, so ambient in 19-22C range, or little lower if water had been heated from previous loading or gpu in loop.

His air screen shot cant judge ambients because Realtemp was started 20 secs after starting linx, so not true min idle temps.

But would have been interesting to see ambients recorded in both, or at least realtemp min temps.

Nice calculation :)

It was 22 degrees

Dont know roomtemp yesterday must have been 20 to 23 degrees

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2...it44051600.jpg
12-20-2009, 11:26 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceBaran

i just used a bit more force, after half a turn it moved smoothly all the way, i unscrewd it and attached it again, this time it went fine...dont be afraid to use some controled force :)

This sounds completely reasonable to me.
12-20-2009, 12:19 PM
cesthree

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingLex

I ordered the XT and those fittings, still waiting for them to arrive though. So let us know how everything worked out with the leak testing :up:

Just got her started about 15 minutes ago. Had some hang ups with routing. So far so good using the Fat Boy fittings with the Swiftech o-rings.
12-21-2009, 07:22 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceBaran

Edit: I also had problems with Bitspower fittings, impossible to fit 2 next to eachother, and the outlet fitting would not go in all the way.. ordered BP 45 degrees fittings used it on the inlet and the fitting in the outlet i screwed it untill it wouldnt go further, but i could clearly see and feel that it wasnt in place, i just used a bit more force, after half a turn it moved smoothly all the way, i unscrewd it and attached it again, this time it went fine...dont be afraid to use some controled force :)

You sure you didnt damage the thread doing that ? my BP G 1/4 true silver just wont go on second turn using my hand of course i didnt force them but for some reason the don't fit on the second hole...
12-21-2009, 08:36 AM
cesthree

:clap:

Almost 24 hours (2:00 CST Yesterday) since leak testing started.

It seems that there is no problem using the Swiftech o-rings with the BP/FB fittings.

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/PC210007.jpg

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/PC210003.jpg

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/PC210002.jpg

Now, if I could only have that much luck with the BP/FB fittings in the Danger Den Acetal T.

You know, the T that they were made to go into. Seepy little bugger.

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/PC210005.jpg

Two out of 3 in that T are seeping. It sucks, cause I want to just get a nylon T or Y, but I guess I might be sacrificing some flow, and that T makes a nice home for my iandh Silver KillCoil.

That pisses me off so bad. I am either gonna have to get another T (Preferrably metal, I guess), or find some better o-rings.

Those BP/FB fitting o-rings are too big in my opinion. The thickness is right at 0.080" (3/32), which is just fine except on the Apogee XT.

The ID and OD are what I am talking about. I snagged an o-ring from my D'Tek Fuzion V2 fitting, which has the same G1/4 thread, and it is slightly smaller in diameter. Slipped that baby on a BP/FB fitting and test fit it in a DD Acetal L that I have. It seems to fit MUCH better.

WTF can't these fitting manufacturers get together, have a conference, and make a STANDARD. Maybe ask the ISO for some tips? It would be nice. :shrug:
12-21-2009, 09:03 AM
AceBaran

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

You sure you didnt damage the thread doing that ? my BP G 1/4 true silver just wont go on second turn using my hand of course i didnt force them but for some reason the don't fit on the second hole...

Pretty sure.. got it running for a week now, unscrewed and screwed in a couple of times, no leaks yet and from what ive read in forums very good temps for my cpu is a CO stepping @ 4.40GHZ with ramm @ 1600 6-6-6-20 1T timings.. seems my loop performs allright

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/756...d440566620.jpg
12-21-2009, 09:14 AM
cesthree

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceBaran

Pretty sure.. got it running for a week now, unscrewed and screwed in a couple of times, no leaks yet and from what ive read in forums very good temps for my cpu is a CO stepping @ 4.40GHZ with ramm @ 1600 6-6-6-20 1T timings.. seems my loop performs allright

cesthree is jealous of Extreme CPU. Thats a sweet OC!

And yes, stoked are you with the liquid cool!
12-21-2009, 10:11 AM
AceBaran

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesthree

cesthree is jealous of Extreme CPU. Thats a sweet OC!

And yes, stoked are you with the liquid cool!

Thanx :up:

*CPU is for sale :yepp:
12-23-2009, 02:03 PM
gabe

Fittings update

I received my fittings this morning.

They all mounted fine except as noted below; some were a little tight and needed some more force to screw in by hand, but they went in fine.

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...ttingsx800.jpg

Anyone feeling some resistance when installing these fittings, do not be afraid to exert more force.

One of the blocks I picked at random on the other hand had an inlet thread that would not even accept our own fitting: it screwed in by about 2/3 and locked solid (this goes to show that we can never rule out a defect). I forced our fitting in by using a socket wrench, and then all the BP's went in fine, but the TFC's still refused to screw in all the way. I had to use a G 1/4 tap to clean up that thread. After that, the TFC went in fine too.

I checked 20 blocks with the TFC after that, and found none to be defective. Implemented for secerurity one more QC step to check all threads.

So here would be a reasonable guideline to assess whether you have a serious thread issue with your block: if our own fitting doesn't go in, this would be immediate ground for RMA. You may force our fitting in if you want, using a 5/8 socket, and it might fix all the BP's, but it doesn't seem to help with TFC's.

If our fitting goes in normally, but you can't screw in your aftermarket fitting by forcing it by hand, then go ahead and send the block back, we will retap that thread for you.

Note that I did observe some wide variations in major thread OD of these fittings. So if a fitting is at max spec, and our block is at min spec, that's when it becomes very tight to screw in. Here is a link to BSPP (G 1/4) thread specs for reference: http://mdmetric.com/tech/thddat7.htm
12-23-2009, 02:34 PM
PiLsY

Just thought it should be brought to people's attention that though it may seem offputting to see problems in this thread, that no other manufacturer has ever supported the launch of their product like this before. Fair play Gabe, customer for life if this keeps up!
12-23-2009, 03:11 PM
cesthree

Gabe, when you tightened down the BP/FB fittings, did the o-rings bulge out?

Is that normal? Or, would you recommend using a different o-ring?

I used the Swiftech fitting o-rings on my Fat Boy's, and it works for me. I was just wondering what your thoughts on using the o-rings that came with the Fat Boy fittings are. They seem too big to me? :shrug:

Excellent product. My XT is working great. :up:
12-23-2009, 03:21 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesthree

Gabe, when you tightened down the BP/FB fittings, did the o-rings bulge out?

Is that normal? Or, would you recommend using a different o-ring?

I used the Swiftech fitting o-rings on my Fat Boy's, and it works for me. I was just wondering what your thoughts on using the o-rings that came with the Fat Boy fittings are. They seem too big to me? :shrug:

Excellent product. My XT is working great. :up:

the green o-ring in this fitting seemed to squish out indeed. others looked fine.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sidewinderco..._2081_31830431
12-23-2009, 03:26 PM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

I received my fittings this morning.

They all mounted fine except as noted below; some were a little tight and needed some more force to screw in by hand, but they went in fine.

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...ttingsx800.jpg

Anyone feeling some resistance when installing these fittings, do not be afraid to exert more force.

One of the blocks I picked at random on the other hand had an inlet thread that would not even accept our own fitting: it screwed in by about 2/3 and locked solid (this goes to show that we can never rule out a defect). I forced our fitting in by using a socket wrench, and then all the BP's went in fine, but the TFC's still refused to screw in all the way. I had to use a G 1/4 tap to clean up that thread. After that, the TFC went in fine too.

I checked 20 blocks with the TFC after that, and found none to be defective. Implemented for secerurity one more QC step to check all threads.

So here would be a reasonable guideline to assess whether you have a serious thread issue with your block: if our own fitting doesn't go in, this would be immediate ground for RMA. You may force our fitting in if you want, using a 5/8 socket, and it might fix all the BP's, but it doesn't seem to help with TFC's.

If our fitting goes in normally, but you can't screw in your aftermarket fitting by forcing it by hand, then go ahead and send the block back, we will retap that thread for you.

Note that I did observe some wide variations in major thread OD of these fittings. So if a fitting is at max spec, and our block is at min spec, that's when it becomes very tight to screw in. Here is a link to BSPP (G 1/4) thread specs for reference: http://mdmetric.com/tech/thddat7.htm

Thanks Gabe kinda late for me as i live in South America can't send the block back to retap...my is the case that wont go with hand...so i will have to use the ones with came and not the BP true silver i bought :(
12-23-2009, 03:49 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

Thanks Gabe kinda late for me as i live in South America can't send the block back to retap...my is the case that wont go with hand...so i will have to use the ones with came and not the BP true silver i bought :(

I will send you spare set. please email michelle again with your address to expedite this. copy paste this post to cut red tape.
12-23-2009, 05:19 PM
zeropluszero

i'd just like to point out that if someone does try the "force a fitting in" they should take the fitting out, and check that no parts of either the fitting or the blocks inlet have come off. i've had copper fillings from the G1/4" tapping in my heatkiller, which i cleaned out before use. it may not be an issue, but i wouldnt want them caught in my block or pump.

the support for your product is amazing Gabe and Swiftech, even if it does have a couple of small issues, you've been more than helpful on clearing these up, which is more than you could say for other companies in just about any industry.
12-23-2009, 06:06 PM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

I will send you spare set. please email michelle again with your address to expedite this. copy paste this post to cut red tape.

Thank you Gabe, Michelle sent me today one set, awesome support congrats !!!

Cheers and Merry Xmas !!!
12-23-2009, 06:54 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeropluszero

i'd just like to point out that if someone does try the "force a fitting in" they should take the fitting out, and check that no parts of either the fitting or the blocks inlet have come off. i've had copper fillings from the G1/4" tapping in my heatkiller, which i cleaned out before use. it may not be an issue, but i wouldnt want them caught in my block or pump.

the support for your product is amazing Gabe and Swiftech, even if it does have a couple of small issues, you've been more than helpful on clearing these up, which is more than you could say for other companies in just about any industry.

thanks for clarifying this, you are completely correct, one is never too careful.
12-24-2009, 09:36 AM
Boyu

Mine came with loose 4 thread on the bakplate.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8759/img00077p.jpg
12-24-2009, 10:18 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyu

Mine came with loose 4 thread on the bakplate.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8759/img00077p.jpg

We have obviously had a bad batch of these still floating around. We have been checking every single one of them since we started finding out about it, and we have also re-inforced the design of the Pem nut insert for all future productions so that it will never happen again. In the meantime, please contact michelle (michelle@swiftech.com) right away and she wil send you a new one immediately.

sorry for the inconvenience.
12-29-2009, 05:10 AM
skane

Hi gabe,

my replacement backplate arrived today. Thanks for taking care of me so quickly, now thats great customer service!

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