4870 Overclocking Thread

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Originally Posted by insurgent

I'd agree if you had a TOP card, you didn't. It's a different bios for a different model but whatever, it's always easier to point fingers.

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Since it ran for 3 weeks like that and the VRM temps were kept under 80c, core temps under 40c. What does the BIOS have to do with anything then? If the BIOS flash was bad it would've died the minute I flashed it. The TOP card and the vanilla are the same thing, just a different BIOS that makes the fan run on a different profile - the only difference are the fan speeds @ specific temps. Its the exact same card with a different fan profile. So because it was water cooled and I didnt need any additional fan speed what you are saying makes no sense. If it was a bad flash that would've killed it immediately. To just say flashing a vanilla ASUS HD4870 with the TOP bios killed it 3 weeks later is stupid.

Who am I pointing fingers at? The GPU quit working. The GPU died. There's nowhere else to point fingers but at the GPU.

At the one that's killing his own cards. You're experimenting on them till they die. It says Overclocking in the title not abusing. Acting innocense is lame. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Unbornchild

At the one that's killing his own cards. You're experimenting on them till they die. It says Overclocking in the title not abusing. Acting innocense is lame. :rolleyes:

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Now I was abusing them? What is this Nvnews? Whats with all the trolls lately? :rofl:

Watercooled and overclocked = torture. I see yours is overclocked. How's your tortured HD4870 treating you.

It's because you're spreading FUD, you talk about underpowered VRMs and stuff like you know how things are supposed to work. There are bad cards, maybe you're so unlucky or maybe you borked them, fact is, you ran the card out of spec and there's a risk in that but somehow you think a high OC is a privilege that should be granted to you and when they die it's defective. There are people running 4870s OCed with stock cooling in hot ambient temps, their cards do not die. They are only defective when stock unmodified cards start dropping like flies.

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Originally Posted by insurgent

It's because you're spreading FUD, you talk about underpowered VRMs and stuff like you know how things are supposed to work. There are bad cards, maybe you're so unlucky or maybe you borked them, fact is, you ran the card out of spec and there's a risk in that but somehow you think a high OC is a privilege that should be granted to you and when they die it's defective. There are people running 4870s OCed with stock cooling in hot ambient temps, their cards do not die. They are only defective when stock unmodified cards start dropping like flies.

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How many more times do I have to point out my first card died stock?????????? Lets make it 10 now. :up:

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Originally Posted by dnottis

How many more times do I have to point out my first card died stock?????????? Lets make it 10 now. :up:

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how many times does anyone need to point out that no one says anything when it all works.

your unlucky, and I'm sorry for that, but there are many more people with working OCed cards than there are broken ones... you make up a 3-5% tops segment of people with broken cards.

that said, the poster before me is correct, stop running around telling everyone on this forum to stop buying 4870s just because you've got a chip on your shoulder after you got unlucky

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Originally Posted by dnottis

How many more times do I have to point out my first card died stock?????????? Lets make it 10 now. :up:

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I wasn't talking about the first card but the second modified one, I'm not an idiot you can spin around with your "facts". I'm not blindly defending ATI, I'm just not buying your underpowered, overheating VRMs theory until we see more supporting data, if the defects are widespread and proven whoever is at fault will be held responsible, but if it's only a small number of random cards it will be dealt with warranty/RMA like always.

@dnottis - don't fall into a pointless argument, especially not with flame baiters. Quite frankly whether 4870s are or are not defective will always be looked through the eye of the beholder. Those whose cards work will say that they are the best thing ever and those whose cards do not will say that they are utter POS. 4870s as it is now have some problems, but I would say that maybe the problems are nothing but a result of poor QC on the part of ATI manufacturers...anyway with time probably most of these issues will be sorted out as new hidden revisions of cards are released and/or factories are changed.

In general, I am personally against buying anything that is new to the market. Sure HD 48xx series cards are pretty good, but they are also too new and time is needed to flush out the bad batches and botched production runs. If it was ATI that made these maybe this would not be a problem, but ATI did only design the RV770. In any case, I think the buyers now have very tough choices to make.

Adding to the problem for the buyer now is that there is really not much differentiating between ATI and NVIDIA products ATM. When the HD 48xx series cards first came out sure, but not any more. Now that GTX 260/280 prices have fallen in line (can be found as low as $240/$370 for slightly OCd versions) even the price/performance for ATI is nothing to to boot. Basically, we are back to status quo where either manufacturers' cards are a good pick.

ATI moved to 55nm sooner, but their first try at RV600 was not very good. They had time to refine things and they came out all guns blazing to put out the cards based on RV770 (basically much beefed up, lessons learned RV600). NVIDIA is now doing a first try at GT200 which did not turn out to be all that hot so they are revising it. Expect them to come back firing on all cylinders with the introduction of their die-shrunk 55nm GT200 cores.

However, no matter which offering you are looking at what is important to remember is that you are just replacing one DX10 card with another DX10 card which will in turn be replaced by another DX10 card in the next 6 months or so...is any of it really worth it?

@Blkout and other trolls, this is not a trolling forum so go troll elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by dnottis

Grow up already.

In like an 8 second google search -

http://www.techenclave.com/graphic-c...hs-114126.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=427
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=431
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=407
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=410
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=4870+dead
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25...r-supply-ample
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25...ck-screen-boot



Now imagime I really gave half a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about you or your reply and spent some time really digging. :ROTF:

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Ouch, ouch, oh please don't hate me. It really hurts my feelings.

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Originally Posted by dejanh

@dnottis - don't fall into a pointless argument, especially not with flame baiters. Quite frankly whether 4870s are or are not defective will always be looked through the eye of the beholder. Those whose cards work will say that they are the best thing ever and those whose cards do not will say that they are utter POS. 4870s as it is now have some problems, but I would say that maybe the problems are nothing but a result of poor QC on the part of ATI manufacturers...anyway with time probably most of these issues will be sorted out as new hidden revisions of cards are released and/or factories are changed.

In general, I am personally against buying anything that is new to the market. Sure HD 48xx series cards are pretty good, but they are also too new and time is needed to flush out the bad batches and botched production runs. If it was ATI that made these maybe this would not be a problem, but ATI did only design the RV770. In any case, I think the buyers now have very tough choices to make.

Adding to the problem for the buyer now is that there is really not much differentiating between ATI and NVIDIA products ATM. When the HD 48xx series cards first came out sure, but not any more. Now that GTX 260/280 prices have fallen in line (can be found as low as $240/$370 for slightly OCd versions) even the price/performance for ATI is nothing to to boot. Basically, we are back to status quo where either manufacturers' cards are a good pick.

ATI moved to 55nm sooner, but their first try at RV600 was not very good. They had time to refine things and they came out all guns blazing to put out the cards based on RV770 (basically much beefed up, lessons learned RV600). NVIDIA is now doing a first try at GT200 which did not turn out to be all that hot so they are revising it. Expect them to come back firing on all cylinders with the introduction of their die-shrunk 55nm GT200 cores.

However, no matter which offering you are looking at what is important to remember is that you are just replacing one DX10 card with another DX10 card which will in turn be replaced by another DX10 card in the next 6 months or so...is any of it really worth it?

@Blkout and other trolls, this is not a trolling forum so go troll elsewhere.

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I've been a registered member here since 2005, you just registered a few months ago. Troll? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by insurgent

I wasn't talking about the first card but the second modified one, I'm not an idiot you can spin around with your "facts". I'm not blindly defending ATI, I'm just not buying your underpowered, overheating VRMs theory until we see more supporting data, if the defects are widespread and proven whoever is at fault will be held responsible, but if it's only a small number of random cards it will be dealt with warranty/RMA like always.

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He'll continue to spin the fact and leave them out as needed to bash ATI because of his own mistakes. I read one post at another forum where someone was having a driver issue and he replied saying he had to RMA two 4870's. Never once mentioned WHY he had to RMA them or the facts behind the RMA's such as flashing the BIOS and modifying the stock cooling. It's BS posts like that, that spread FUD, and he knows it.

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Originally Posted by dnottis

How many more times do I have to point out my first card died stock?????????? Lets make it 10 now. :up:

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And of course, everyone should simply take your word for it since you've been so honest about everything else.

I thought I would point out that you actually have 2-3 replies now to your "Dead 4870" thread. Of course none of them agree with you, but you can read it for yourself.

edit is your friend, Blkout.

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Originally Posted by Blkout

He'll continue to spin the fact and leave them out as needed to bash ATI because of his own mistakes. I read one post at another forum where someone was having a driver issue and he replied saying he had to RMA two 4870's. Never once mentioned WHY he had to RMA them or the facts behind the RMA's such as flashing the BIOS and modifying the stock cooling. It's BS posts like that, that spread FUD, and he knows it.

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Reading the whole thread would help, try it next time. :yepp: one page back - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=401



Then please move on, I already have - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...02&postcount=5

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9...0011fd7.th.jpg

Probably I can get about 500 more points, with better tweaked windows, higher CPU clocks, and few more mhz on GPU:D

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I've been a registered member here since 2005, you just registered a few months ago. Troll?

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Oh come on man...since 2005 and all you managed to post is 159 posts? So much for being an active participant...what's that like 0.145 ppd? :p:

Besides, every single forum where you post it is the same thing (yes, I saw your posts on other forums)...you telling people how they should stop posting FUD and whatnot, how they need to "get something else if they do not like ATI" (paraphrased). Worse thing yet, here you are arguing with an Xtreme Mentor and telling him to shut up. Really?! :shakes: You are nothing but a 13 year old fanboy or alternatively a really dumb PR person. Either way, you are clearly out of it.

Now, being that I want no further discussion with you and want to get back on topic I will not follow up on any subsequent replies.

So, going back on topic, did anyone manage to test the new Palit HD 4870 Sonic Dual Edition? I am looking for some impressions on OCing ability as well as a voltmod for the card. So far I was not able to find anything...there have been some meager overclocks on the cards in the two reviews that were published. The guys over at techPowerUp did not have such good results OCing the card. They managed to stabilize it at 793MHz core and 1097MHz on the memory.

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Originally Posted by dejanh

Oh come on man...since 2005 and all you managed to post is 159 posts? So much for being an active participant...what's that like 0.145 ppd? :p:

Besides, every single forum where you post it is the same thing (yes, I saw your posts on other forums)...you telling people how they should stop posting FUD and whatnot, how they need to "get something else if they do not like ATI" (paraphrased). Worse thing yet, here you are arguing with an Xtreme Mentor and telling him to shut up. Really?! :shakes: You are nothing but a 13 year old fanboy or alternatively a really dumb PR person. Either way, you are clearly out of it.

Now, being that I want no further discussion with you and want to get back on topic I will not follow up on any subsequent replies.

So, going back on topic, did anyone manage to test the new Palit HD 4870 Sonic Dual Edition? I am looking for some impressions on OCing ability as well as a voltmod for the card. So far I was not able to find anything...there have been some meager overclocks on the cards in the two reviews that were published. The guys over at techPowerUp did not have such good results OCing the card. They managed to stabilize it at 793MHz core and 1097MHz on the memory.

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It looks like an excellent card with more phases on the ram and GPU its sure to be a performer, if I hadent bought my 4870's at release I would snag two of those beauties.

dont get me wrong, I hold the extreme preset record with 2 4870s using my HIS voltmodded cards, but I would rather have the nice pwms for greater longevity and possibly higher clocks on stock volts.

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Originally Posted by STEvil

edit is your friend, Blkout.

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Hah, thank you sir. :clap:

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Originally Posted by dejanh

Oh come on man...since 2005 and all you managed to post is 159 posts? So much for being an active participant...what's that like 0.145 ppd? :p:

Besides, every single forum where you post it is the same thing (yes, I saw your posts on other forums)...you telling people how they should stop posting FUD and whatnot, how they need to "get something else if they do not like ATI" (paraphrased). Worse thing yet, here you are arguing with an Xtreme Mentor and telling him to shut up. Really?! :shakes: You are nothing but a 13 year old fanboy or alternatively a really dumb PR person. Either way, you are clearly out of it.

Now, being that I want no further discussion with you and want to get back on topic I will not follow up on any subsequent replies.

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Oh I see, so the only way to measure a worthy member is by how many posts per day they make? You've proved that theory wrong already. :ROTF:

Of course you want no further discussion of this as you've already made yourself look foolish. Kudos to you for knowing when to keep quiet when you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion. :up:

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

It looks like an excellent card with more phases on the ram and GPU its sure to be a performer, if I hadent bought my 4870's at release I would snag two of those beauties.

dont get me wrong, I hold the extreme preset record with 2 4870s using my HIS voltmodded cards, but I would rather have the nice pwms for greater longevity and possibly higher clocks on stock volts.

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Bro, go with a FC waterblock and be done with it. Yes it costs more but the temps you'll get are more than worth if if you're going to keep them for a while, especially overclocked.

See my temps on my 4870x2 with Danger Den FC waterblock. A 4870 should run even cooler than the x2.

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...1DangerDen.gif

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Originally Posted by Blkout

Bro, go with a FC waterblock and be done with it. Yes it costs more but the temps you'll get are more than worth if if you're going to keep them for a while, especially overclocked.

See my temps on my 4870x2 with Danger Den FC waterblock. A 4870 should run even cooler than the x2.

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...1DangerDen.gif

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i knowwww, but the dd 4870 is the one i really want, its $130 and ill need 2 so its pretty much a 3rd cards worth in cooling....

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

i knowwww, but the dd 4870 is the one i really want, its $130 and ill need 2 so its pretty much a 3rd cards worth in cooling....

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Well, I can certainly understand that, but if you're going to keep the cards for a year or two, it may be worth it. You can always recoup come of your money later when you upgrade by selling the parts on Ebay.

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Originally Posted by Blkout

Well, I can certainly understand that, but if you're going to keep the cards for a year or two, it may be worth it. You can always recoup come of your money later when you upgrade by selling the parts on Ebay.

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tru, decisions decisions.... new case, resevoirs, and powdercoating AND fullcover blocks..... only if i can get it to MDPC.

Those are idle temps...what about load?

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Originally Posted by dejanh

Those are idle temps...what about load?

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45c under 10 minute stability test in Furmark at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16XAF. Any other benchmark doesn't exceed 40c.

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Originally Posted by Blkout

45c under 10 minute stability test in Furmark at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16XAF. Any other benchmark doesn't exceed 40c.

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and VRM temps?

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Originally Posted by Blkout

45c under 10 minute stability test in Furmark at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16XAF. Any other benchmark doesn't exceed 40c.

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Did you rename FurMark executable in 8.8 to something else?

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Originally Posted by Unrealer

and VRM temps?

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Quickly, I just ran the Furmark stability test for 10 minutes at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16xAF. Temps are even lower than they were when I orginally setup my waterblock. Thermal paste has had more time to cure I assume. This was also done with the core GPU speed set to 800MHz on both cores which is my 24/7 overclock.

See for yourself...

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...870x2Temps.jpg