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The truth is out there.
The GTX280 has ~GX2 performance where SLI scales well and crushes everything where it doesn't. The performance stuff is boring now after all the leaks though (I know that's heresy at XS). But I really want to know what they've done to improve texturing, AA etc. The improved CUDA/DP stuff should be interesting too.
Nothing wrong with that, when GX2 scales well its a monster, when it doesnt its just a 9800gtx.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
GTX280 is full on power all the time, while HD4850 = 9800gtx, HD4870 = way way overclocked 9800gtx, HD4870X2 = way way overclocked 9800gtx when crossfire doesnt scale and beast when it does ( HD4870X2 uses crossfire tech, until facts state otherwise ) all speculation at this point and I very much doubt Ati has anything that complex ready for lauch for next month..
GTX 280, 260 and SLI tests, Crysis driver comparison
http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2151
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That's a very good point, the gtx 280 will consistantly be the champ (unless ATI has other plans lol, I can picture it now, NVIDIA is planning a big celebration and then Hector shows up whining that he doesn't want to play yet, and then one hour later they launch the 4870x2 and throw their own tea party - funds are too low for legit party lol-) and the 9800gx2 can only compete with SLI supported games
orealy?Quote:
24 left before we know the absolute truth
im expecting killer AA results.
Nice find! It had just what I was looking for. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by tenebre
Today is the 15th,
presumably the reviews will be out tomorrow?
A Google German to English translation of part of the above article.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenebre
Attachment 80423
This image could be fake! It looks like it was taken from here.
We have a reliable source saying that there's no significant differences between the drivers here.
it's a fake done by an italian guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by PCduster
http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showpo...postcount=5451
In this post he said he did through MS Paint.
No way thay can get such an increase with only a new release of drivers...
See : http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=2556
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EVGA GeForce GTX-280 pic
http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/f7/2f/f828_1.JPG
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=288841
regards
so can we expect your review in 20mins mascaras ?? 11:44pm 15th :)
16th june nda lifted
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Originally Posted by disruptfam
unfortnatly there was a delay with the package , i will only receive the card maybe on tuesday :(
As soon as i get the card i will start post some tests @ reviews section !
regards
Good god... Seriously the 55nm chip is next year? Thats a shame Oh well guess I'll be looking at ATI's cards. Then again think i was anyways... dual GPU yumm.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
It will be kinda we funny to say i own a card with 896MB of ram :D
See my comments at the bottom of this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bakalu
Repost.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHydes
(seems most portuguese guys are onto that repost thing, huh :p:)
well that makes sense because GX2 as far i as i know is a pair of GTS :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by msgclb
fotos i've posted not even a single one was reposted.. so shut your bigQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
mouth ... greetings
:rolleyes:Quote:
GeForce GTX 280: The official pictures leaked
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4...0karte1qk8.jpg
By MrHydez
http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/pic/...0_Karte_2.jpeg
http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/pic/...0_Karte_3.jpeg
Source: hardware-aktuell
GeForce GTX280 review@TheInq :
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...80-scores-here
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GeForce GTX 260: Official pictures
http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/view...hp?article=826
http://www.hardware-aktuell.com/pic/...60_Karte_2.jpg
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Originally Posted by whocaresbg
full table :
http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/ne...0_scores_1.jpg
http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/ne...0_scores_2.jpg
http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/ne...0_scores_4.jpg
now were talking. :D
I wonder where is the 50% more perfomance per shader promised by DilTech and others... :lol:
What you're talking about was from Nvidia themselves, and the statement they made was too generic/vague to judge what performance gain to expect. Taking shader-intensive Crysis from the above chart (assuming it's genuine), there's more than one test with a 50%+ increase in performance, but measuring exactly the kind of improvements they referred to in their claim isn't this easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Yes there is a 50-60-70% which is NICE. But you have 87,5% more shaders. That plus that 50% more efficiency... hence the :lol: at the end. And I'm only talking about those test valid when were are tallking about this shader efficiency/count, which automatically excludes those limited by CPU at low resolutions and those where the 300%+ gains are because the 9800GTX runs out of memory.
The card is really fast, but the hype around it reminds me of the R600's. Next time less hype will end with way more impressed people.
Yeah that satement was too generic and was likely more of a 50% improvement over the previous generation as a whole from what reviews show (as it seems to beat GX2 soundly in games that don't scale with SLI, and not so well versus some that do so ~50% average over GX2 is pretty good).
Looks like the GTX280 provides a small improvmenet at < 1920x1200 resolutions but really begins to shine at higher settings
MVP card alright! Can't wait for price drops :/
Yea it really starts looking like there will be a price drop, $650 in my eyes of the benchmarks that are available so far doesn't cut it. More appropriate would be $500 with launch prices hovering around $550 tag.
...hmm.. so $499 is a fud..fake? and $399 for the 260 too?
another thing to look at is that games that are currently out are not designed to use much more than the 128 that was on the 8800gtx. however newer games that are able to use more of the GTX 280's power will see vastly higher numbers of the 9800's and 8800's. not to mention drivers.
2xGTS in SLI will beat G280 and it costs 400e .. or lessQuote:
Originally Posted by clayton
I want 19x12 benches T.T
This card will beat the socks off your GTS SLI rig for sure at high res, once drivers mature and OC'ing happens...you will see who's the king :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
Plz go to another thread then and stop :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about the price/perf ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
This is starting to look like my next card. Just need some more 1920x1200 benches now.
....same old song about drivers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Its always drivers folt ... don't you think, that this card aint that powerful as you wanted to be ???
The life is full with disappoints,this is one of them.
p.s. I play at 19x12 ... and the G280 sucks.
p.s. 2. if the card cant handel Crysis,that means that the card is already old and forgotten .
It means Crysis is the only game that has been developed without the ability to be play reasonably on consumer hardwareQuote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
Lol then your cards are dinosaurs, you don't even own the new card how can you judge it's performance ? It's way faster than any single card out there... and many SLI configs will have to give way too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
And mate each new card needs it set of drivers, as it has to compatible with old and new games... and they will put in some optimisations to get a few extra % of performance once feedback from the users starts...
Jeez and always Crysis, same old song too not ???
NEW drivers (2-10%) better performance and what then ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
G280 is a graphic card not a MAGIC CARD ... and it costs like a MIRACLE:welcome:
wake up
ble imho hes just trolling.... don't takes his bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I dont ... :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Peeps really seem to forget these are single GPU cards and that they perform at Xfire or SLI level... but some always know better... whished some would buy a playstation or such and leave the hardware freaks alone... Only reason for some to be here is to nag ; overpriced, not double performance of last years top card, etc...
No worries Hornet331, Snake is a long time in the bag... prolly will try to spray it's venom a few more times till it gets tired...then we will put it in the meatgrinder...
Plz remove yourself from this thread then and take a seat in the ecomics section...Quote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
yeah i think its quite true, all these people dissing the 280gtx would not have bought one anyway...
G280 is a good product,but NOT a future product .... not for that money !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
so 8800gtx and 9800gx2 also where no future products? Release price of the 8800gtx ~570€ (most where 600€ or higher) and 9800GX2 530€ (and that thing only lasted 3 months...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
ble imho hes just trolling.... don't takes his bite. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
First is a crap card, then graphic card and now it's a good card... I spot a trend here :rolleyes: I'm getting confused :shrug: Nurse where are my pills ? But this is getting rediculous looks more like a chatbox then a hardware forum... we want more results for the lovers; the haters better start an anti thread...
MAXIMUM Price drop on GTX 280: $599. Anything more than that is wishful thinking. The GTX 260 price is set at $399 and these price will remain for at least 3-4 months.
The question no one is asking is: If the 9900GTX (G92b aka 9800GTX on 55nm) is coming out next month with improved clocks, will Nvidia go ahead and produce a 9900GX2 (which would be much easier and cheaper to produce at 55nm) as it could possibly end up cheaper and faster than a GTX 280...
or will they cap it for the sake of their own profits. :(
Perkam
Yes but is it a paper weight yet? :rolleyes:
I play at 1920x1200 with 4x AA ( in some games I can't even manage to use AA ) with 2 8800GTS 512s and the 280 spanks them based on their preliminary benchmarks. The difference between 2 88GTX/Ultras would be less defined but the fact remains is the 256bit GDDR3 of G92 is a bottleneck at this point so I'm excited for the 280 personally. If you didn't notice, the 280 seems to do quite well in DX10 modes in the games listed in those Inquirer benchmarks.
That statement came from NVidia themselves... You'll have to find something not bottlenecked elsewhere to see that show up. Similar to how even though the x1900xt had 3 times the shader power of the x1800xt it didn't always show too much of a gain early on, but you test it with new games and it'll show up almost every single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
The big thing is, other than crysis, we really don't have any titles that REALLY can push these new architectures. Other than the Big C, how many titles can't be maxed out with an 8800GTX or even an OC'ed 3870(albeit, without AA)? We need to see some seriously stressful titles before we see what this new architecture is truly capable of. I am, however, noting just how small the hit of going from DX9 high to DX10 very high in crysis is, and that shows a very bright future for these cards.
btw, did you notice the size of the jump from the 177.26 to 177.38(13 FPS in DX10 very high crysis at 1920x1200!)? I wonder what the official drivers released within the opening week will end up with performance wise.
Your pills ... in your hand,just open your eyes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Second ... 8GTX was (is) a very good card! you have ONE!
p.s.. mine is 7900GTX and its dying !!!
Thank you DilTech, this is what I've been thinking myself. Current titles just don't leverage the new architecture. Your point on the x1900xt is a good one. I remember playing Oblivion at launch then going to a x1900xt and it was a huge difference in that game, which was arguably the most advanced and shader intensive game at the time, even though many of hte other games at the time didn't show the same gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Lets bring on Clear Sky, Alan Wake and Far Cry 2 and then they will see you were right :)
Milos, I'm only going to ask this once...Either get on topic and quit trolling, or you're going to feel thy fury...
Ok Dil, I'm putting you on the spot:
If the 9900GTX (G92b aka 9800GTX on 55nm) is coming out next month with improved clocks, will Nvidia go ahead and produce a 9900GX2 (which would be much easier and cheaper to produce at 55nm) as it could possibly end up cheaper and faster than a GTX 280 or will they shy away because of the predicament they are in.
EDIT: FINALLY X_X I've been wondering where your and Cooper's fury has gone :stick: :up:
Perkam
I am sorry,it want happened again ... please forgive meQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Maybe 9900GX2 will only be launched when HD4870X2 launches? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
if nv goes with its past strategy you wont see a 9900gx2, cause gx2 = end of architecture card.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Milos-stancene
:bows: To Dil for finally getting his mod on :up:
@Hornet, that is sad if that is the case X_X
Perkam
Again, G92b is still G92. They aren't pulling a rabbit out of the hat with this, its merely a shrink to compete with ATi with higher clocks. The GT200 series will still lead the way as far as new titles are concerned and I don't see Nvidia jeopardizing these new cards at this point. At the end of the day the 280/260 will be the high res / IQ cards to have not the 9900 series. The 9 series are aimed at the mainstream like 88GT/GTS and will be priced accordingly.
:clap: The fury strikes fear into the the hardest troll.
According to that guy any card that can't "handel crysis" is old and forgotten. I guess that's a fairwell to GTX260, 280, HD4850, 4870, and 4870X2 then! :rolleyes:
Hmm, always the possibility of a change in strategy though. Recently they seem to be basing their moves far too much on what's coming out of the ATI camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Because there is actually something coming out of the ATI camp this time round :lol: The R500 and early R600 were cowdung compared to Nvidia's parts :stick: The only thing they excelled in was price/performance and even there Nvidia caught up with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
This time around the 4850 and 4870 will try to get closer to the Nvidia high ends than ever before.
Perkam
well thats why i have said, if the keep there strategy.
noone knows what will happen the next 2-3 months.
Why do I have to scroll through pages of unnecessary information, and speculation, and this and that. If you put all the relevant posts, you would get 2-3 pages at the most.
Sometimes I really wonder why I'm reading forums, it's so brain deadening. :(
Glad I'm not posting on forums any more except for here and there a post.
uhm... its a speculation thread in the first place.... maybe has something to do with the fact that the cards arn't released yet...
agreed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
This thread will be done in 1-2 days anyway, with a new sticky for all reviews. Honestly, it's just not worth taking the time to clean it when it's time is almost totally served it's purpose and has reached EOL.
I see the logic :).Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Reviews incoming Monday morning per Kyle of hardocp... I assume we'll see it everywhere as they won't publish a review until NDA is up:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1032617274
:sick: i dont like the reviewstyle of hardocp... i'll rather take anandtech reviews. Personally im waiting for the techreport reviews :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
HardOCP's testing has grown on me, seeing as how they actually test it in the game rather than run pre-canned benchmarks. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
It's grown on me a little but I too still prefer standard benchmarks with custom review-site individual timedemos like Anandtech and TechReport do. Still, I think we'll see all the reviews tomorrow morning :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/44.html
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5...7462265br0.gif
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5...7401242kz4.gif
Not sure what this one is, The Elder Scrolls 4 I think
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2...3283542ec6.gif
I said IT sucks!!! :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
hohoho the pczilla slides... i like how they skip AF to let the the radeons shin. :p:
enable 16AF (or even 8AF) and you see some more realisitc scores.
The same site reported 40FPS in Crysis 1920x1200 4x AA a few days ago... sounds like bull to me (the site). Besides, who plays with no AF anyway? Looks like garbage if you do, blurry blurry!Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
I find the reviews at H quite dreadful personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
The lastest ATI chips have always been limited by something in their architecture that prevents them to show their full potential in shading perfomance. And that bottleneck is texture perfomance. R580, R600 and its derivatives have suffered it and now RV770 will also suffer the same issue. In ideal scenarios their shader perfomance just kills every NV offer. But in actual scenarios like games or even Futuremark benchmarks they show their weakness. 3DMark06 is good for ATI, but it's far from being ideal. Should I wait 2-3 years to fully utilize my card's shaders? Or this card's shaders? That's the reason I don't like ATI's huge shading power, in actual games is not utilized at all. NV's solution is much more focused in today's games and in consecuence much more "optimized" if you want to call it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Also, this card has the same SP design of the last generation G80/G92, just more of them, plus the working MUL, so if the card is well balanced like its predecessors it should scale a lot more linearly, like G80/G92 do.
The jump between DX9 and DX10 in Crysis is big, very big indeed, just like before. Nothing new here, I don't see what are you talking about. Playing in DX10 is a bad decision in almost every game out there.
And I never trust in magic drivers, if after 1 month the card has not shown its full potential it's just because it's not there. That said, I will give this card 1 month to show its teeth or I will remain disappointed :D
Nothing can play crysis @ 1920 x 1200 very high or ultra high with high AA and high af
MUHHUHUHUAAUHAUHAUHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHUAHUAUAAAAAAAAAA
(SERIOUSLY when a single card solution be able to max out that game)
[H] uses real world game conditions with high IQ and playability settings something I find useful as I don't care about benching but real world game fps/iq. Keep it coming [H].
OK from above benchies at where my card is lacking is Crysis , Im looking at about 10fps increase for $650 :down:, maybe a price drop would tempt me as it stands refresh is not a long wait. :up:
gtx280: 19x12 4xAA 32fps high settings crisis
not too shabby
still too expensive for me :(
but it's the best single card on offer is it not?
so evryone can just suck eggs on the price:p:
is there still that site in canada offering one for 328$?:D
"19x12 4xAA 32fps high settings crisis":
what does 4850 cf do at these settings?
..on a p45:D
http://www.netplus.com.au/products-d...DGFGTX280%2DE9
999$ aud (the old we-have-no-stock-$999 price):ROTF:
Yeah very interesting as the gains reported in Crysis thus far don't seem to be inline with the improvements in many other games. Makes you think that the GT280 is bottlenecked in one area that Crysis thrives upon.
which is?Quote:
GT280 is bottlenecked in one area that Crysis thrives upon.
dont tell me it's shaders :eek:
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$999!!!!!!!!
hell no
inquired yesterday and its costs S$1050 here :( no price for the GTX260 yet though
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Originally Posted by adamsleath
Well then $669.99 sounds like a steal.:rolleyes: Im hoping for $599.99 and praying for $499.99 when the 17th arrives...Quote:
Originally Posted by waway625
tri-sli gtx-280, Crysis @ 1920x 4xaa ultra-high here i come !!!
NOOOT
actually from what i have seen and heard. a single GTX 280 is really close to being playable at those settings. and 2 of them will more than be enough to handle that. they should handle 16X AF on top of that and maybe 8X AA instead of 4X. once i get one crysis will finally be a reality with AA. YESSSS!! i jsut hope more games come out that can really handle it's power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonucci
Anyone have a firm release date on the GTX280 in the U.S? I will get mine from NewEgg:rolleyes:
Is the NDA over now? Didn't someone say the 16th?
I think they use PST, so just under two hours until midnight here.
This video is not available in your country. :-|Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
:rofl::ROTF: crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
video not avail in my country wtf?
Amazon has a gtx280 pny in US here for $649.99. Ships in 2 to 4 weeks???
There's an XFX one here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B1R5QO for $649.99 that just says "temporarily out of stock" that I have preordered myself. It also includes Assassin's Creed :). It's been up since yesterday...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalamay
OK. So $650 for the video card + $140 for new PSU + $250 for air conditioning unit = $1040. :cussing:
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Originally Posted by GAR
Proxy FTW :rocker:Quote:
Originally Posted by end3rkid
Let us pray the new nVidia cards aren't as cheezy and flamboyant as that song.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
P.S. I find it especially ironic that people in Europe cannot watch it. :)
im in new zealand and cant watch it either, same problem.
Plays fine here (Ireland).Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDisciple
Is it just me or is the 260 just as long as the 280?...............I don't think either would fit in my case (TT Tsunami dream)