Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

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01-31-2009, 11:37 PM
neo mike

Nice clocks Zukker

Nice Clockes Zuckerman, you may be stable, but are you running that 24/7 ? cause with that much nb voltage you board aint going to last very long, i would never run over 1.6 nb 24/7,and your cpu seems on the rather toasty side to, but nice clocks anyway.
02-01-2009, 08:02 AM
methimpikehoses

Crap, my q9650 won't pass the Intel Burn-in test even at stock settings... but prime95 is fine. I think the vdrop on my board is killing it.
02-01-2009, 10:50 AM
radaja

this is where ill stop for now.im pretty happy with the performance im getting with this clock.gotta say these 9650's are beasts,i recommend that everyone should get one.http://i44.tinypic.com/167tbtw.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/2m2ffo0.jpg
02-01-2009, 11:35 AM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

this is where ill stop for now.im pretty happy with the performance im getting with this clock.gotta say these 9650's are beasts,i recommend that everyone should get one.

Awesome Radaja. :up:
02-01-2009, 03:41 PM
mreld3r

nice clocks there gents. I will be getting my ud3p in tomorrow :up:
Been runnnin 3.9 ghz on an msi neo2 fr P-35 mobo for a couple o'
weeks now; I cant wait to put this 9650 on a ud3p for some real action.
Its 2 hours prime stable now @1.264 (cpuz,,idle) with 1.3?? volts bios.
I never liked the vdroop on this msi board. I want crazy clockZ with a ud3p.
I like how cool this thing runs with an old BigTyphoon though. My q6600 would really heat up @3.6. I got good ram TeamXtreem, GMH and a low vid chip (1.1000) so with some help from you guys I should be clockin-fine.
I have never posted a SS before; so just in case I have good luck I wanna post some screenies. What size should i make the SS? Or just post it as is?
Im running a desktop res of 1650X1050, Im thinking that i should reduce it to ???? Thanks for any help guys.
02-01-2009, 03:57 PM
mreld3r

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finally got a good vid chip, hope it clocks well
02-01-2009, 03:58 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by mreld3r

finally got a good vid chip, hope it clocks well

your using the older version of coretemp which only reports the min VID

go to version 99.4 and see what it tells you there ;)
02-01-2009, 04:43 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

your using the older version of coretemp which only reports the min VID

go to version 99.4 and see what it tells you there ;)

Speaking of VID's what would be the range from lowest to highest(max VID) for the Q9650 and the odds of getting such VID. I might be getting a Q9650 soon and from what I have read 1.25 seems to be the highest and most common VID, should I be mad or feel unlucky if I get a 1.25 VID chip or is that just the norm and anything lower then 1.25 is just a freak blessing. Thanks..
02-01-2009, 04:47 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Speaking of VID's what would be the range from lowest to highest(max VID) for the Q9650 and the odds of getting such VID. I might be getting a Q9650 soon and from what I have read 1.25 seems to be the highest and most common VID, should I be mad or feel unlucky if I get a 1.25 VID chip or is that just the norm and anything lower then 1.25 is just a freak blessing. Thanks..

I honestly think the whole VID thing is BS, in realtemp you can see there is a low VID and a high VID; 1 is for the low power state and one is for full speed. I may not have this right but I think all chips are 1.100 and 1.250.
02-01-2009, 04:48 PM
systemviper

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidNJ

Is the Q9650 worth the $50 premium over the Q9550?

:rofl:YOU BET:rofl::up:
02-01-2009, 04:53 PM
Hoss331

That version of coretemp reads accurate for me. :shrug:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...apImageeee.jpg
02-01-2009, 04:54 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

That version of coretemp reads accurate for me. :shrug:

wow... well there goes my theories :rofl::am:
02-01-2009, 04:55 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I honestly think the whole VID thing is BS, in realtemp you can see there is a low VID and a high VID; 1 is for the low power state and one is for full speed. I may not have this right but I think all chips are 1.100 and 1.250.

I have only owned two C2Quads in my life and both were Q6700's with VID of 1.3250(Highest I ever heard of) and both were crappy overclockers :(. I seen plenty of people with lower VID Q6600 and Q6700 chips get much better results on equal hardware and settings. I have read through this thread and seen screenshots of Coretemp showing VID's of 1.10, 1.15, 1.875, 1.225, and 1.25 for the Q9650, are these false readings?
02-01-2009, 04:55 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

I have only owned two C2Quads in my life and both were Q6700's with VID of 1.3250(Highest I ever heard of) and both were crappy overclockers :(. I seen plenty of people with lower VID Q6600 and Q6700 chips get much better results on equal hardware and settings. I have read through this thread and seen screenshots of Coretemp showing VID's of 1.10, 1.15, 1.875, 1.225, and 1.25 for the Q9650, are these false readings?

refer to above post LOL
02-01-2009, 05:06 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

refer to above post LOL

Well since you were the author of this thread I though you might know the ~odds of getting a less then 1.25 VID Q9650, from best I can tell is the VID range for these chips is 1.10-1.25 with 1.25 appearing to be the most common by about a 2-1 advantage over anything lower then 1.25. Making the odds of getting a max VID Q9650 ~66%. From the clocks I have seen by people with lower then 1.25 VID's they are able to run 4.2ghz-4.4ghz on less then 1.36 vcore. Those with 1.25 VID's are having trouble getting at 4.2ghz+ with <1.36vcore. The reason I bring this up is that I have pretty decent air cooling (see sig) and would love to get 4.2ghz stable and cool under ~60C full load without exceeding 1.3625 vcore.
02-01-2009, 05:13 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Well since you were the author of this thread I though you might know the odds of getting a less then 1.25 VID Q9650, from best I can tell is the VID range for these chips is 1.10-1.25 with 1.25 appearing to be the most common by about a 2-1 advantage over anything lower then 1.25. Making the odds of getting a max VID Q9650 ~66%. From the clocks I have seen by people with lower then 1.25 VID's they are able to run 4.2ghz-4.4ghz on less then 1.36 vcore. Those with 1.25 VID's are having trouble getting at 4.2ghz+ with <1.36vcore. The reason I bring this up is that I have pretty decent air cooling (see sig) and would love to get 4.2ghz stable and cool under ~60C full load.

Understood :up: I think you are correct for low voltage clocking you definitely want to seek a low VID chip.

Mine is a 1.25 and I have seen validation up to 4.5ghz so far, but I need a new bios on this board badly... the ram dividers dont work right and I can reach 485 boot stable and the divider craps out on me :( its definitely a ram issue because It freezes post on the memory check :\
02-01-2009, 05:27 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

Understood :up: I think you are correct for low voltage clocking you definitely want to seek a low VID chip.

Mine is a 1.25 and I have seen validation up to 4.5ghz so far, but I need a new bios on this board badly... the ram dividers dont work right and I can reach 485 boot stable and the divider craps out on me :( its definitely a ram issue because It freezes post on the memory check :\

Sucks about your RAM, wish I could help but all I know is ASUS P5Q-D and my DDR2(which I love both). I am just contemplating doing a return if my first Q9650(should be arriving tomorrow) is max VID. I have done this before on Q6700's but the ethics gods bit me and I got another max VID chip in return:rofl:. I am sick of struggling with poor overclocking chips and would love for once to get a decent clocking chip that runs cool on lower volts. 4.2ghz is my goal on air and if I get something better then I will be very happy.
02-01-2009, 05:31 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Sucks about your RAM, wish I could help but all I know is ASUS P5Q-D and my DDR2(which I love both). I am just contemplating doing a return if my first Q9650(should be arriving tomorrow) is max VID. I have done this before on Q6700's but the ethics gods bit me and I got another max VID chip in return:rofl:. I am sick of struggling with poor overclocking chips and would love for once to get a decent clocking chip that runs cool on lower volts. 4.2ghz is my goal on air and if I get something better then I will be very happy.

luckily I have just picked up some tweaking tips over at another board and I may see ddr3-2000 tonight :D
02-01-2009, 06:33 PM
Jor3lBR

VID x vid = whatever

Low Vid means less voltage for lower OC's = Less resistance to heat (Higher temps).

High Vid means more voltage for lower OC's = More resistence to heat (runs cooler).

Low Vid and High Vid all come together when they are near the OC limit = Same OC results when comes down to top end clocks (4500-5000Mhz).

So your choice is between a low OC with less volts or a high OC with lower temps :up:
02-01-2009, 06:40 PM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

hrs done....
If any RF user wants my settings, all they have to do is request it.... probe shows some of the volts anyway.... I'm moving on....

Great results Zucker I hope you understand when I ask these results, when people come here and spread false hope for some board users it's really a pain and a lot of frustration for other forum members.

I think you are ready to move on to 9 multi now :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

That's one hot cpu :eek:

Not hot at all considering the volts his using.

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo mike

Nice Clockes Zuckerman, you may be stable, but are you running that 24/7 ? cause with that much nb voltage you board aint going to last very long, i would never run over 1.6 nb 24/7,and your cpu seems on the rather toasty side to, but nice clocks anyway.

It will last NB volts for X48 platform is nothing. They can sustain 2.0vnb 24/7 (if that did more good then bad actually).

He is using a lot of volts for everything because he is in the old x48 platform that plays nasty with Quad's power.
02-01-2009, 06:49 PM
Hoss331

What did your temps max out at on your 4.4 air run?
02-01-2009, 07:02 PM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

What did your temps max out at on your 4.4 air run?

With the P45 platform and the excellent UD3P my temps with a $29 air cooler never reached 75oC on a hot day (prime95 11hrs blend). But I was using very low volts.
02-01-2009, 07:12 PM
radaja

port city slim my vid is 1.25. heres my latest.couldnt stop.but i will stop for now.for real.http://i42.tinypic.com/bjbih2.jpg
02-01-2009, 08:48 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

port city slim my vid is 1.25. heres my latest.couldnt stop.but i will stop for now.for real.

WOW! Are those temps (45C) real for full load at 1.37vcore(CPUZ) on air? From looking at your screenshot it appears that you are running 8.5x510-1.37vcore after 4h20min Prime95 small fft's and your temp reading is 45C under load. I would consider this awesome for air cooling.
02-01-2009, 09:40 PM
Hoss331

port, check post #937 :up:
02-01-2009, 09:54 PM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

port, check post #937 :up:

Thanks Hoss, we have very close to the same hardware, I really hope I get a 9650 as good as yours so we can share tips. I am running bios 1702 as well, just have not updated my sig. I got to wait tell I get my new chip and hard drive installed this week.
02-01-2009, 10:32 PM
OliverM84

Hey ;)

My one is now stable @ 4x4650MHz ;), ... thats the max. so far under water.

http://www.partypicssaarland.de/vers...GTX280/88s.jpg

:shrug:
02-01-2009, 10:39 PM
kill_a_wat

Quote:

Originally Posted by OliverM84

Hey ;)

My one is now stable @ 4x4650MHz ;), ... thats the max. so far under water.

http://www.partypicssaarland.de/vers...GTX280/88s.jpg

:shrug:

:shocked: Amazing...voltage is reasonable as well. I was just about to buy a P45 Extreme you made it alot easier

I think you have the WR for stable o/c....although I wonder how it would do under some IBT runs
02-01-2009, 11:06 PM
Zucker2k

Some fun runs.... 9x511 fsb, PL8 on Rampage Formula

Tired of tweaking, so I decided to do some fun runs....

9x506 fsb

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...212aea9833.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...b6551ab970.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...0e7a34c7b7.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...98be30ce4e.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...c3670d1c2d.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...93f8b89f0d.jpg

9x511 fsb

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...ec2b01d42b.jpg

http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...5fe9a80d5a.jpg

Cheers,

Richard.
02-01-2009, 11:17 PM
Hoss331

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

Thanks Hoss, we have very close to the same hardware, I really hope I get a 9650 as good as yours so we can share tips. I am running bios 1702 as well, just have not updated my sig. I got to wait tell I get my new chip and hard drive installed this week.

Im actually switching to a UD3P, got one coming tuesday. My dlx seems to be tapping out early with this chip since no matter what settings or voltage I give it I cant get past 483 stably. I was able to get higher stable fsb with my 9550 but I guess the 9x multi is just to much for it. :shrug: Hopefully the UD3P wont disappoint cause this chip seems to have alot left in it. Either way if you need help with the dlx, ask.

By the way what rev. is your chipset, A2, A3 ?
02-02-2009, 12:40 AM
PortCitySlim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

By the way what rev. is your chipset, A2, A3 ?

CPUZ states revision A2. I bought mine the first week they came out in June 08 I believe, is that a bad thing?
02-02-2009, 12:59 AM
OliverM84

Quote:

Originally Posted by OliverM84

Hey ;)

My one is now stable @ 4x4650MHz ;), ... thats the max. so far under water.

http://www.partypicssaarland.de/vers...GTX280/88s.jpg

:shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kill_a_wat

:shocked: Amazing...voltage is reasonable as well. I was just about to buy a P45 Extreme you made it alot easier

I think you have the WR for stable o/c....although I wonder how it would do under some IBT runs

Thx :up:
02-02-2009, 04:13 AM
radaja

OliverM84 and zucker2k,awesome clocks,thats just amazing what you guys are doing with these chips.
02-02-2009, 06:15 AM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by OliverM84

Hey ;)

My one is now stable @ 4x4650MHz ;), ... thats the max. so far under water.

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:shrug:

:clap: very good Oliver!

What type of WC system you have there?
Post the template when you get the chance!
02-02-2009, 11:11 AM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Tired of tweaking, so I decided to do some fun runs....

Cheers,

Richard.

Good results Richard, thanks for sharing.

Would you please post your BIOS settings?

I got one of these CPUs (just a few hours before ;)

First run:

Q9650@4.1 GHz
BlackOps X48
Kingston Hyperx 1800
EVGA 9800GX2 SC
High Power 1000W

Valid: 4109 MHz (4 GHz boot)

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=498525

PiFast: 4045 MHz/22.77 Sn.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4962/4045pz4.jpg

2K6: 3.7 GHz/20.987

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8...k620987pg5.jpg

Aqua: 3.7 GHz/237.415

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2706/aqua3700lt5.jpg
02-02-2009, 11:33 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

is that voltage right? if so you are using WAY too much voltage
02-02-2009, 11:35 AM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

is that voltage right? if so you are using WAY too much voltage

Not right, 1.4V-1.45V from BIOS :)
02-02-2009, 11:49 AM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGanG

Not right, 1.4V-1.45V from BIOS :)

I'll be posting my settings shortly, but Snipe is right, that voltage is WAY high! Since you're using cpu-z 1.49, I want to believe the voltage is close to real; maybe your board is overvolting? :shrug:
02-02-2009, 12:02 PM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

I'll be posting my settings shortly, but Snipe is right, that voltage is WAY high! Since you're using cpu-z 1.49, I want to believe the voltage is close to real; maybe your board is overvolting? :shrug:

Blackops has a CPU-Z Voltage bug buddy, for example E8600 VCore (about 1.5V real) was 1.1V-1.2V at CPU-Z :mad:

Thanks for caution, i will check it again...

Waiting for BIOS settings :rolleyes:
02-02-2009, 12:09 PM
Hoss331

Even your bios voltage is way too much, should be around 1.2-1.3 at most for those speeds. Mine only needs 1.2 loaded for 4ghz.
02-02-2009, 12:12 PM
Hoss331

Quote:

Originally Posted by PortCitySlim

CPUZ states revision A2. I bought mine the first week they came out in June 08 I believe, is that a bad thing?

Not really a bad thing, mines an A2. If you had an A3 I would be interested in seeing what your max FSB would be.
02-02-2009, 12:21 PM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

Not really a bad thing, mines an A2. If you had an A3 I would be interested in seeing what your max FSB would be.

It was actually a temp test too, now will try my min. VCore voltage, thanks...

BIOS Default Settings, VCore :confused:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2576/adszuv0.jpg
02-02-2009, 12:26 PM
Hoss331

Do you have the latest bios for your board? My stock default goes to 1.008.
02-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGanG

Blackops has a CPU-Z Voltage bug buddy, for example E8600 VCore (about 1.5V real) was 1.1V-1.2V at CPU-Z :mad:

Thanks for caution, i will check it again...

Waiting for BIOS settings :rolleyes:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...06#post3622406
02-02-2009, 02:34 PM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...06#post3622406

Thanks, next run will be under dice...

BIOS VCore: 1.45V > CPU-Z: 1.76V :D (Air!!! So, it must be a bug)

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=498651
02-02-2009, 02:39 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGanG

Thanks, next run will be under dice...

BIOS VCore: 1.45V > CPU-Z: 1.76V :D (Air!!! So, it must be a bug)

Better, but that vcore (1.45v) is still too high for this chip; seriously.
02-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Hoss331

Am I reading that right, your pci-e frequency is only 18mhz? :confused:
02-02-2009, 09:15 PM
brinox

are there any rampage formula templates i might be able to bounce off of? i had my E8400 rockin out at 4050mhz solid as stone, but i cannot get this Q9650 to stabilize at 4050mhz whatsoever.

im on the latest bios, and no matter what vcore i throw at it the damn thing BSODS.

again just looking for templates right now.
02-02-2009, 09:23 PM
radaja

zucker2k i decided to follow in your footsteps,so i installed 8 gigs of g.skill pc-8800's and was able to get this.http://i40.tinypic.com/33epzeq.jpg
02-03-2009, 05:46 AM
Zucker2k

Awesome feat, Radaja :clap: See if you can beat my 9x512FSB with 8GB Ram oc.
02-03-2009, 07:49 AM
radaja

im not sure i can do that.im a bit scared of giving my new cpu too much volts.so maybe after ive had it for awhile,ill push it to it limits
02-03-2009, 08:23 AM
brinox

Quote:

Originally Posted by EOD

I just got my Q9650 today from newegg. it is batch: L826A965 with 1.25v vid

4.2GHz (467 FSB * 9 multi) at 1.296v vcore at load (1.312 idle) and Running H2O.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=490072

I made sure I was ready for this chip. I spent the last few days tweaking my motherboard and (now old Q6700) for a stable 467 FSB OC. Once I got it dialed in, It was a matter of just stabilizing the vcore. So far I am just past 6Hrs stable in Prime95.

I have been considering going with a UD3P to see what this chip can really do...

could i trouble you for some in-depth BIOS screenies or settings? i cant get 450fsb stable worth a damn at all.
02-03-2009, 11:19 AM
TheGanG

Freq : 4467.8 MHz (496.42 * 9)
MB Model : DFi LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS

Valid :
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499070

Now i have 2 choices; ocing with dice or fine tuning for a stable level. Both are exciting...
02-03-2009, 11:23 AM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGanG

Freq : 4467.8 MHz (496.42 * 9)
MB Model : DFi LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS

Valid :
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499070

Now i have 2 choices; ocing with dice or fine tuning for a stable level. Both are exciting...

Awesome, you're getting there. :up: What vcore did you need for those clocks?
02-03-2009, 03:05 PM
TheGanG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Awesome, you're getting there. :up: What vcore did you need for those clocks?

Freq : 4510.91 MHz (501.21 * 9)
MB Brand : DFI
MB Model : LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS
Valid : http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=499345

- CPU Clock Amplitude: 800mV~900mV
- CPU Clock0 Skew: 100~200
- CPU Clock1 Skew: 100
- DRAM Speed: 333/667 or 400/800

- Enhance Data transmitting: fast
- Enhance Addressing: fast
- T2 Dispatch: Disabled

- Ch1 DRAM Default Skew: 3
- Ch2 DRAM Default Skew: 3
- Rcomp Setting: 1

- CAS Latency Time (tCL): 5
- RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 5
- RAS# Precharge (tRP): 5
- Precharge Delay (tRAS): 15
- All Precharge to Act: AUTO
- REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 64
- Performance LVL(Read delay): 8

- CPU VID Control: +350mV~+362mV
- DRAM Voltage Control: 2.432v
- SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55v
- NB Core Voltage: 1.5450~1.5950v
- CPU VTT Voltage: 1.40~1.49V
- VCore Droop Control: enabled
- Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45V
- CPU GTL0/2 REF Volt: 0.63X
- CPU GTL 1/3 REF Volt: 0.62X
- North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 0.61X

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1441/4503rt6.jpg
02-03-2009, 05:25 PM
radaja

quick question,is there something i should do in terms of making use of all 4 cores in XP and vista?cause i keep seeing posts about activating the cores in the OS?something about only one core works by default and if you change some setting it will boot up faster cause it will use all 4 core on startup.any help i can get ill take.
02-03-2009, 05:48 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

quick question,is there something i should do in terms of making use of all 4 cores in XP and vista?cause i keep seeing posts about activating the cores in the OS?something about only one core works by default and if you change some setting it will boot up faster cause it will use all 4 core on startup.any help i can get ill take.

run, msconfig, boot tab, advanced options, you can play with max cores and maxmem during bootup.
02-03-2009, 06:09 PM
radaja

zucker2k,thanks.so on the max memory should i use all(8123)that it shows?
02-03-2009, 06:36 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

zucker2k,thanks.so on the max memory should i use all(8123)that it shows?

Won't hurt anything.
02-03-2009, 07:22 PM
mreld3r

Special thanks to Jor31br and radaja. I recieved my ud3p monday @6:pm.
Using info that i got in this thread and the ud3p thread here is my 1 day overclock. We will see how stable it is, I just started prime a few minutes ago.
If these settings look familiar; I stole them from radaja. Easiest overclock.....
EVER...If anyone sees anything alarming let me know. I will try to reduce voltages,,,maybe, if i dont increase FSB first
thanks guys
http://i43.tinypic.com/1z3oy0p.jpg

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