TeamGroup 2x1gb pc4000 Cronus!

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

You could do that, but are you sure these sticks are available 1x1gb? ;)

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have have an excellent point.. I don't know..

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Originally Posted by nn_step

have have an excellent point.. I don't know..

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it's easy to find out though ;)
http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/Xtreem/O...hannel_Cronus/

looks like it. trying to get some is another story though ;)

Yeah but that is a UCCC stick.. Micron would be prefered..

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Yeah but that is a UCCC stick.. Micron would be prefered..

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REALLY?

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The modules are based on the Micron 5B memory IC Chips, a new generation chip produced under o.11 micron processing. This memory IC achieves very high frequencies (more than 500MHZ, against a standard of 400MHZ), at a low voltage（less than 2.7V under 500MHZ).

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i dunno where i see UCCC in there. plus, the UCCC sticks are rated to 3-4-4, not 3-3-3 :fact:

I'm going by the Ram list man
http://home.wanadoo.nl/r.vannoort/RAM_List.htm
just use Ctrl-f to find it...
edit just checked it is for both the UCCC and the Micron -D

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Originally Posted by ben805

you guys should realize there is no guaranteed in overclocking, if these ram are rated at DDR500 then as long as they do what they'd intended to do then you shouldn't make such a big fuss about it, the overclocking headroom are just icing on cake unless your maximum overclock gain is only 2~3mhz otherwise I'd say you'd expected to much if all you wanted was 280 right out of the box, it is possible to achieve that speed but you'll more than likely need to order atleast two pairs then pick the highest performer to match them, and sell the rest on egay or classified section.

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Ben,
At the stock rated speed and timings: 250 Mhz, 3-3-3-8 1T my sticks do not pass memtest, superpi, or dual prime.

Another thing. A lot of us bought these sticks looking for a 280 Mhz + guaranteed overclock that was basically tested and displayed to the public from the manufacturer. Why else would we pay close to $300 for Micron sticks when we could get any other cheaper ram for around half that price and clock in at a rated 250 Mhz 1T. My point being, we paid for the ability to clock close to 300 Mhz, not for the ability to clock @ the rated speed. Again, if I wanted a rated DDR500 stick, I wouldve chosen something for $150, not $300. We paid a premium for Micron ram that could clock well over spec.

Dom

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Originally Posted by ben805

you guys should realize there is no guaranteed in overclocking, if these ram are rated at DDR500 then as long as they do what they'd intended to do then you shouldn't make such a big fuss about it, the overclocking headroom are just icing on cake unless your maximum overclock gain is only 2~3mhz otherwise I'd say you'd expected to much if all you wanted was 280 right out of the box, it is possible to achieve that speed but you'll more than likely need to order atleast two pairs then pick the highest performer to match them, and sell the rest on egay or classified section.

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That may be, but I'd say 90% of the readers of these forums buy based on "overclocking potential" usually shown by company reps posting here with so-called "non hand picked" samples.

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Originally Posted by xgman

That may be, but I'd say 90% of the readers of these forums buy based on "overclocking potential" usually shown by company reps posting here with so-called "non hand picked" samples.

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Exactly.. Watching Golden samples hit impossible speeds just frustrates us..
we just want to see what the average sticks can do..
If I wanted to see Golden samples do wonders I would be reading an Anandtech review on an ASUS board :fact:

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Originally Posted by xgman

That may be, but I'd say 90% of the readers of these forums buy based on "overclocking potential" usually shown by company reps posting here with so-called "non hand picked" samples.

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Admitedly, sometimes the sampled ram does perform better than the retail version, but you've also got to remember that getting the most out of a pair of RAM is much more user dependant than any other component in your system. I'd say a good 80% of people's gripes about a XXXX Ram not being able to do XXX Mhz @ X-X-X-X could be solved with a few minor tweaks which may not be too obvious to an untrained eye ;)

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Originally Posted by nn_step

If I wanted to see Golden samples do wonders I would be reading an Anandtech review on an ASUS board :fact:

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LOL !:ROTF:
that WAS a joke, right? :p:

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I'm going by the Ram list man
http://home.wanadoo.nl/r.vannoort/RAM_List.htm
just use Ctrl-f to find it...
edit just checked it is for both the UCCC and the Micron -D

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hmm, looking at that list, i honestly wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it. looking at the crucial list, i can point out a few flaws:

the 512mb pc3200 ballistix came in both 5b G and 5b D
the 2x1gb ballistix kit is listed as 5b G when it's really 5b D only.

in the teamgroup lineup, they're missing a TON of sticks.. and it says the micron sticks use 5b D, not the 5b F that i plainly see on my sticks. :nono:


Dom... i don't want to come across as an ass, but you're simply complaining about how it won't do 3-3-3-8, 1T, without telling us everything you've tried. sitting here, i still don't know what voltages you've used (other than 2.6 and 2.7v), the drives, secondary timings, stick order... is your memory controller even up to the task of going >250mhz? etc etc....
yes, the fact that you can't get it to work at higher speeds is definitly a serious problem that needs to be resolved, but it's not just gonna go away, you must actively seek out a solution. if you're not gonna do that, EXPLICIT descriptions of what you have tried would be immensely useful so that those who are trying to help don't keep stabbing in the dark ;)

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Admitedly, sometimes the sampled ram does perform better than the retail version, but you've also got to remember that getting the most out of a pair of RAM is much more user dependant than any other component in your system. I'd say a good 80% of people's gripes about a XXXX Ram not being able to do XXX Mhz @ X-X-X-X could be solved with a few minor tweaks which may not be too obvious to an untrained eye ;)

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well said. the learning curve for these sticks isn't all that great.. when i first got the sticks, remember that i seriously had trouble breaking 270mhz stable. the new board definitly helped, but i also learned a lot about the most optimal settings for clocking these things along the way. the hardware goes a long way, but the experience of the user is key. or did you all think that OPB is really that lucky in his kits..? ;) :D

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

LOL !:ROTF:
that WAS a joke, right? :p:

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no.. because it shows a ASUS board performing better than any DFI board :fact:
ASUS is not an AMD overclockers board...

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

or did you all think that OPB is really that lucky in his kits..? ;) :D

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YES :D

@ NNStep: You're speaking of the Asus RD580? Well it performs better since DFI hasn't yet released their RD580. If you're talking about Intel, then I'd have no idea - you're probably right :p:

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

YES :D

@ NNStep: You're speaking of the Asus RD580? Well it performs better since DFI hasn't yet released their RD580. If you're talking about Intel, then I'd have no idea - you're probably right :p:

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LOL :D

@nn_step: true, ASUS always have there sneaky tricks to have enough boost to have 90% :D

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

YES :D

@ NNStep: You're speaking of the Asus RD580? Well it performs better since DFI hasn't yet released their RD580. If you're talking about Intel, then I'd have no idea - you're probably right :p:

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I'm speaking of the A8R-MVP which had a 20mhz lead over every single board...

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I'm speaking of the A8R-MVP which had a 20mhz lead over every single board...

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Asus A8R-MVP = Asus RD580 :)

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Asus A8R-MVP = Asus RD580 :)

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wrong
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2617
Came before the RD580

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Originally Posted by nn_step

wrong
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2617
Came before the RD580

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I stand corrected :toast:

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

I stand corrected :toast:

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:toast: no prob man.. :toast:

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Originally Posted by dominick32

Ben,
At the stock rated speed and timings: 250 Mhz, 3-3-3-8 1T my sticks do not pass memtest, superpi, or dual prime.

Another thing. A lot of us bought these sticks looking for a 280 Mhz + guaranteed overclock that was basically tested and displayed to the public from the manufacturer. Why else would we pay close to $300 for Micron sticks when we could get any other cheaper ram for around half that price and clock in at a rated 250 Mhz 1T. My point being, we paid for the ability to clock close to 300 Mhz, not for the ability to clock @ the rated speed. Again, if I wanted a rated DDR500 stick, I wouldve chosen something for $150, not $300. We paid a premium for Micron ram that could clock well over spec.

Dom

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IF these Micron can't even do 250 then I would be pissed too!! trust me...I do understand where you were coming from, as I went through the same crap with 2GB Redline, bought 4 pairs....that's alittle over $1200 worth of ram and none of them can do higher than 255, mostly 252 max, 2mhz overclock headroom suck rhino nuts when they'd cost over $300 a pair!! and only when I matched the highest performer did I managed to get 258, that's the final result after trying multiple boards and different cpu to ruled out user error. Honestly I too have high hope with these Micron as well and I will be happy if they can do about 260~270, they'll be here tomorrow so I'll let y'all know if they worth a crap under the Venus.

In the mean time. As steve said...Kevin is one of the top memory tweaker here so you can't really expect to achieve the same result as he does, left alone as a rep they often have access to the cherry picked golden sample and no consumer can get our hands on. :D

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Originally Posted by dominick32

Ben,
At the stock rated speed and timings: 250 Mhz, 3-3-3-8 1T my sticks do not pass memtest, superpi, or dual prime.

Another thing. A lot of us bought these sticks looking for a 280 Mhz + guaranteed overclock that was basically tested and displayed to the public from the manufacturer. Why else would we pay close to $300 for Micron sticks when we could get any other cheaper ram for around half that price and clock in at a rated 250 Mhz 1T. My point being, we paid for the ability to clock close to 300 Mhz, not for the ability to clock @ the rated speed. Again, if I wanted a rated DDR500 stick, I wouldve chosen something for $150, not $300. We paid a premium for Micron ram that could clock well over spec.

Dom

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I quite not agree with that. The part in myself as Overclocker I agree with you. This is always a difficult situation for all memory companies to satisfy as much targets. (like OC'ers). It is fact as company you cannot guarantee an overclock, because if you guarantee an overclock it has to be 99%. None of the companies have that good yielded IC's.

So, you paid for the brand and the sticks rated on DDR500 in your situation. In my old days for G.Skill I have enough HZ's that cannot do 250-260+ in worst case, should you replace? No, why should a company rate their product. Right, to ensure they run 100% that speed. Do you know how much time and money any company put into their SPEC test?

Again, Alot people and especially me would feel just like you if they are in your situation.
So whats left is the techsupport/rep can help you as much as he can to make you satisfied.

Good luck with your further actions and your memory.

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Dominick32: If there's anybody in this world who can help you get your sticks running @ optimal speeds, it's OPB. Quite frankly, he has more knowledge about DDR and it's timings in his little finger than most of us (including me) can ever dream of having ;) . The problem is just conveying that knowledge sometimes.........Even I have problems understanding his CHINGLISH at times (although I'd like to think that I'm well versed in that language as well :p: )

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amazing description:woot:

:D

Thanks a lot for all of your responses guys.

Ozz,
Dont worry, you are definitely not being an ass. You are simply asking legitimate questions. My system specs are in my signature. X2 4800+ with a DFI Ultra-D Rev.3 with 1114 Bios. The reason I am a little worried is that my ram is failing at stock rated speed and timings. I have been through two motherboards figuring the mobo was the culprit. No luck. I think I mentioned this already but I am using 3-3-3-8 Timings and the rest of my configuration is using the complete OPB settings for DDR560+:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...m5bfddr560.jpg

Update for today.
I would first like to thank Ben @ Tankguys.com for going completely out of his way to expedite communication with Team Group about my ram. About 2 hours after my communication with Ben I received a phone call direct from a Team Group Representative and Engineer. Ben went completely out of his way and he is simply an online retailer. He in no way needed to contact Team directly for me. I am completely satisfied with Team Group as far as customer service. This experience was excellent so far and the customer service rep treated me with the utmost respect making sure that my ram runs the way that I want it.

Two thumbs up for Team Group and Ben @ Tankguys.com :rocker: :clap:

I should have the Team PC4800 TCCD Apollo memory coming to me any day now and I will hopefully be reviewing this ram for OCF. As far as the Team Cronus. I may have just received a faulty stick. It happens.

Thanks again for the help guys.

Dom

Where was that guide located? Where was I :p:
Can you linky me? :)

Good to hear that TeamGroup has good customer support, that is one less thing to worry about :P

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Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Where was that guide located? Where was I :p:
Can you linky me? :)

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We have a copy on our forum: Guide Link

And there is a copy here: Guide Link