shipment is scheduled for docking/customs this week. so they should be here fairly soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
Printable View
shipment is scheduled for docking/customs this week. so they should be here fairly soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
ETA on the Maelstrom?
It took some additional delay due to a longer lead time on the LCD thermometer but it's going through final assembly in the next few days. We'll post an an update soon.
Thanks Stephen. Looking forward to the updates
hmm, installed the apogess drive 2 wb/pump combo and the backplate is taller than my mobo standoffs, squeezing pretty hard against the motherboard tray. Any suggestions? I had GTZ mounted before and the backplate was not as tall.
Oh, and I forgot to mention - the led on the top of the AD2 doesn't seem to be working, not lighting up at all. Well, at least the pump is functional lol :)
just email michelle for the non working LED we'll send you a new one, though it's interesting they're all 100% tested here in the US.
Regarding the back plate, what socket are we talking about? The product uses the same back plates as we've been using for years. how tall are your stand offs? some chassis are smaller than standard standoffs (They should be 1/4"). Have you checked if the screws that are hitting it or the actual back plate? for quicker support follow up feel free to call or email me directly (stephen at swiftech dot com or 310-763-0336)
Stephen
Hello Stephen, I do not believe the issue resides with the APD2 backplate, but rather with the motherboard standoffs. I had the same issue on my Prodigy case, had to modify the motherboard tray.Quote:
Regarding the back plate, what socket are we talking about? The product uses the same back plates as we've been using for years. how tall are your stand offs? some chassis are smaller than standard standoffs (They should be 1/4"). Have you checked if the screws that are hitting it or the actual back plate?
Might just be that some cases are using 1.5-2mm to short stand-offs?
MrBean, these are standard standoffs, came with HAF932, I doubt they are shorter than usual. Like I said I had GTZ with 1366 backpate w/o issues, but now switched to 1155 with AD2 - could that be a problem? Dunno. I wonder if I screwed up the installation but the AD2 seems to be solid in place. I'll try calling up Stephen tomorrow morning. Since the LED light is on the same cable as pump's power cable, I guess I'll have to replace the whole thing anyways.
Heya Anzial,
I know cases like Lian-Li have taller stand-offs, which normally would not cause any issues. In my new BF Prodigy, a setup I am putting together for the Wife, the stand-offs are about 5-6mm tall, and I had to cut out the motherboard tray to accommodate the back-plate of the APD2.
I guess this can be a problem in some cases (no pun intended), but I can not see to much of a solution where some mini-itx motherboards, due to various components on the back, would need a relatively high back-plate to clear some of them....
Did Bacata get any pump-less AD2s, i.e. should I even wait for European shops to get any? I'd email them but the last two times they didn't bother to reply, even though I wrote them in perfectly good French...
MrBean, well that's kinda weird - why would swiftech release a product compatible with non-standard tall standoffs to cater to a minority with miniATX mobos rather than what's common on the market? I mean - this is a product that should be compatible out of the box w/o the necessity to mod the case... It's not like a 140x3 rad that needs a lot of space, this is a waterblock for a fairly universal socket...
Hey nickel, your source to buy one is here ;)
http://www.highflow.nl/?subcats=Y&ty...roducts.search
the Socket 1366 and 1155 have totally different back plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by anzial
I've rechecked everything and the back plate CAD and actual parts are OK.
I found a possible problem with the screw it self that could be 1mm too long, but the back plate is within specifications: it is 6mm thick and the standard stand off are 1/4" tall or 6.35 mm.
Don't forget the pads on the back plate are compressible and it's normal that you feel some kind of compression when you are installing the motherboard.
Did you have you problem when securing the screws or with installing the back plate/motherboard on the tray?
That being said, it's less and less of a problem with typical full case chassis because most of them have an opening being the socket to help with cooling. On smaller form factors this opening isn't probably there and that must be why we are hearing about it, because like I said both screw and 1155 back plate haven't been revised for about 3 years now :D
I will adjust the screw specification for future production and order some for replacement for those of you with small form factor chassis and with an interference!
Anzial, please call me today so we can send you the replacement parts you need.
Thanks, but I know them of course ;) and checked them already. Unfortunately, they do not sell the block without the MCP35X, and with the pump it's not exactly cheap (absolutely, if you need the pump it's a good deal!). Bacata also only lists the versions with the pump on their site. If they don't even sell it I don't need to bother emailing all kinds of dealers whether they can get one pump-less for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
let me find out for you if Bacata has ordered the bare (no pump) version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
They've ordered it slightly later than their original order with complete APD2. It was shipped last week so it shouldn't take too long to get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
Thank you :)
Thank you Stephen, yes, it turns out that the screws are really sticking out from the backplate, causing the mobo tray to bow. So now I'm arranging an exchange, luckily I live close by and can drop by to do it :) Thanks for the awesome tech support and quick response!
No problem, be sure you give Michelle a call tomorrow before stopping by to make sure the replacement APD2 is ready.
OK, my bad, the AD2's LED is fine. It didn't work during leak test when only the molex was powered but now, with full system on and PWM cable plugged in, LED works just fine. Still need shorter screws though, darn mobo tray is bowing :)
Good news, thanks for the update. Just let me know if you want the screws shipped or if you still plan on picking them up.
Stephen
Thanks Stephen, I shot you an email. I gotta applaud Swiftech:clap: for such swift tech support, both here at the forum and through email/phone :D
Now why don't you back the screws out by that tiny amount? Will make no appreciable difference to your mounting pressure.Quote:
Still need shorter screws though, darn mobo tray is bowing
Stephen - I got my ADP2 in today, the one without the pump, and I noticed the "Inlet" actually pushes water across the base and then up into the pump. This is opposite to how most blocks work where they shoot the water across the top of the pins and then across the base. If I remember correctly your testing showed it was basically the same performance as a regular HD, so my question is, isn't this opposite of what we have learned about blocks in the past? Don't blocks perform better when the water is pushed across the top first? The way I see it, either this is incorrect or you guys figured out a way to get the same performance doing opposite of what every other block out there does, including your own. Curious as to what your thought are on this.
Having the water "hitting" the hotter (or important areas) first is only very true for impingement flows. We (swiftech) haven't made a true impingement waterblock since Storm.
In a lot of ways the Apogee Drive II is pretty much an Apogee XT flowing backward. For those of you who had tried it (Apogee XT backward) you probably realized there wasn't much of a difference. :)
so if the Apogee XT wasn't an impingement block then what was it? just a micro channel block with a centrifugal flow direction. Like I said in another post, the APD2 has centripetal flow direction instead which makes the APD2 just another micro channel block.
The reason why we did this is practical: it allowed me to design it with a single housing compared to the Apogee Drive I which had 2 housings: one was used to direct the flow across the whole base plate and the other was used to collect the fluid out of the base plate into the pump inlet.
the APD2 bowed base has also received quite a bit of work compared to previous blocks and allows to perform better on a wider range of CPUs.
Hope that helps
Stephen