Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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11-01-2010, 03:04 AM
cowie

i just love all the love.

Can we keep it to 580 info?
11-01-2010, 03:08 AM
rmanuelb

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Originally Posted by cowie

i just love all the love.

Can we keep it to 580 info?

Are you crazy??

That wouldn’t keep them busy all the weekend long!!!

And what would we do?? With nothing to read??

:ROTF:
11-01-2010, 03:14 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

We are talking about dedicated GPUs here.
Upcoming IGPs will present a challenge for both nVidia and AMD's dedicated GPUs that they sell to low-end and OEM marked, we are talking about here.

Sometimes people mean the same thing, but wolf-pack and football-team mentality, tends to create misunderstandings.

what amd allready showed playing alien vs predator isnt nice enough for you on a small compact device ... come on ...

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Yeah, I understood it the same way too later, and that's true too. I was referring to dedicated GPUs, and I guess it was clear enough, because we were talking about R&D and future of dedicated GPUs. But I think we agree on this.

onboard gpu or on cpu gpu are the same ... because they target low end devices ... but since the gpu is on the die its much simpler in packaging ... anyway .. amd wont have trouble keeping up with all of ati's intelectual property ....

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I think I understand what snow is referring to,

he is saying that Fusion is not a challenge for AMD, since APU will replace low end in a cpu/gpu solution, which is something Nvidia does not have, (I gather its because they do not have a x86 license).
And so the battle might be between intel (lacking Dx11 among other things) and AMD... if manufactures can give a gpu embedded in the cpu to save costs, well I don't really see Nvidia retaining any market share in that particular cluster

exactly ... and nvidia's lost shares .. would gladly be taken over by amd who could lower prices since they would have more shares ...
11-01-2010, 03:20 AM
cowie

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Originally Posted by rmanuelb

Are you crazy??

That wouldn’t keep them busy all the weekend long!!!

And what would we do?? With nothing to read??

:ROTF:

Yeah but i want to read about 580 not a bunch of know it alls batch and moan about nothing related :D
11-01-2010, 03:26 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by cowie

Yeah but i want to read about 580 not a bunch of know it alls batch and moan about nothing related :D

oki back to 580gtx ... i heard it would be powered by chernobyl's leftover half damaged reactor

and you would get a free copy of stalker with it :D
11-01-2010, 03:53 AM
rmanuelb

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Originally Posted by cowie

Yeah but i want to read about 580 not a bunch of know it alls batch and moan about nothing related :D

go along with it ...

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

oki back to 580gtx ... i heard it would be powered by cherbobil's leftover half damaged reactor

and you would get a free copy of stalker with it :D

oohh man not Stalker... :(

I was hoping for some Call of ...

sorry ;(
11-01-2010, 03:55 AM
Sn0wm@n

Oo ... that picture will get you banned dude ... remove it asap ...
11-01-2010, 04:19 AM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

oki back to 580gtx ... i heard it would be powered by cherbobil's leftover half damaged reactor

and you would get a free copy of stalker with it :D

Its written Chernobyl
:D
11-01-2010, 06:52 AM
Vardant

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2...1776397102.jpg
11-01-2010, 06:56 AM
Manicdan

Lol @ the AMD power point slide style performance chart being used for nvidia.

numbers seem to indicate right around a 20% increase over 480
11-01-2010, 06:59 AM
Vardant

At least it starts from zero ;)

It's also 50% increase over HD 5870, that's quite a jump.
11-01-2010, 07:03 AM
Dimitriman

Three hurrahs for competition!
11-01-2010, 07:08 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Vardant

At least it starts from zero ;)

It's also 50% increase over HD 5870, that's quite a jump.

i didnt compare with that for a few reasons

1) its not the real competitor for the 580, the 69xx would be (yet we dont have those numbers so i wont complain)
2) some of those games are really heavy on tessellation so its looking like people are trying to make AMD look bad on purpose, which makes me question some of the settings or games chosen (im this hard on AMD when they do it too)
3) the values are really all over the place while the 480 to 580 comparison is within a VERY CLOSE margin of error, so i feel confident in my assumption that a 580 will be 20% faster than a 480 in almost every case. while vs AMD is a per game basis
11-01-2010, 07:17 AM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

2) some of those games are really heavy on tessellation so its looking like people are trying to make AMD look bad on purpose, which makes me question some of the settings or games chosen (im this hard on AMD when they do it too)

None of those games are heavy on tessellation. Only two are, and they are benchmarks, not games.

EVEN IF the games were (which none are), why would that matter?

"Looks like Nvidia is able to handle the vanilla DX11 spec faster than AMD can"

"That isn't fair, those results should be omitted"

:clap:
11-01-2010, 07:22 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

None of those games are heavy on tessellation. Only two are, and they are benchmarks, not games.

EVEN IF the games were (which none are), why would that matter?

"Looks like Nvidia is able to handle the vanilla DX11 spec faster than AMD can"

"That isn't fair, those results should be omitted"

:clap:

its about the goal of the reviewer that is in question, not the hardware. we KNOW AMD would not put those in their slide presentations cause it would look bad. so the question is if they are trying it too.

and LP2 (Lost Planet 2) has tessellation btw, and it was looking like they went very heavy on it (that giant worm dragon thingy got like twice as fat and spiky, looks good, but the regular version looks like utter crap, lol)
11-01-2010, 07:26 AM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i didnt compare with that for a few reasons

I did it for one reason, to show, how much AMD needs to improve from their last generation.

50% is not unheard of, but considering they went a little backwards with 6850/6870, it might not be that easy to achieve.

There are a couple of bechmarks, but there's still a couple of newer games with gains over 70%. That might paint a bright future for NV, if this trend continues.
11-01-2010, 07:32 AM
Dimitriman

So what if it soundly beats 5870? I expect no less. I looks around 5970 performance which is great if true. I think 6970 will be very similar perf. Good good maybe this means high end for less than 400$
11-01-2010, 07:36 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Vardant

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2...1776397102.jpg

only a slde and no link .... come on ... i call that fud

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Originally Posted by Vardant

I did it for one reason, to show, how much AMD needs to improve from their last generation.

50% is not unheard of, but considering they went a little backwards with 6850/6870, it might not be that easy to achieve.

There are a couple of bechmarks, but there's still a couple of newer games with gains over 70%. That might paint a bright future for NV, if this trend continues.

that's barts specs .. and we dont know the final specs of cayman .. let alone antilles ... so hold down your horses my man ....
11-01-2010, 07:39 AM
hurrdurr

That slide isn't exactly showing 20% improvement on 480 IMHO. More like 15%. Bringing the card within HD5970 range.
11-01-2010, 07:42 AM
Rai

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

its about the goal of the reviewer that is in question, not the hardware. we KNOW AMD would not put those in their slide presentations cause it would look bad. so the question is if they are trying it too.

and LP2 (Lost Planet 2) has tessellation btw, and it was looking like they went very heavy on it (that giant worm dragon thingy got like twice as fat and spiky, looks good, but the regular version looks like utter crap, lol)

This is why I check Techpowerup for reviews, they have a HUGE games list that they use for reviews, including old, current, and brand new games.

Too bad the gains in Crysis are so minimal. :down:

I was hoping the new single gpus would be able to finally max it out. :(
11-01-2010, 07:46 AM
Rai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vardant

I did it for one reason, to show, how much AMD needs to improve from their last generation.

50% is not unheard of, but considering they went a little backwards with 6850/6870, it might not be that easy to achieve.

There are a couple of bechmarks, but there's still a couple of newer games with gains over 70%. That might paint a bright future for NV, if this trend continues.

AMD needs to improve? I'm sorry but the 5870 and the GTX480 are not direct competitors, let alone the GTX 580. Nvidia slotted their GTX 480 above the 5870 but below the 5970 and avoided a direct comparison/price war in the process.

Who is to say even the 69XX will be a direct competitor for the GTX 580, they could just slot in at different price points again.
11-01-2010, 07:50 AM
Vardant

Reading comprehension fail...
11-01-2010, 08:05 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

only a slde and no link .... come on ... i call that fud

Original source (now taken down): http://www.enet.com.cn/videocard/img...69/5807698.jpg
11-01-2010, 08:09 AM
Dimitriman

What kind of % improvement over single 5870 does 6850 get in crossfire? Considering it will cost around 350$ it should be where 580 will be priced.
11-01-2010, 08:11 AM
Carfax

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Originally Posted by Rai

Too bad the gains in Crysis are so minimal. :down:

I was hoping the new single gpus would be able to finally max it out. :(

Crysis is already more or less able to be maxed out at resolutions 1200p and below on a single GTX 480. Above those resolutions however, you need to go multi.

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