yeah i got told my 4870 512 was slower then my friends 9600gt 1gb :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
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yeah i got told my 4870 512 was slower then my friends 9600gt 1gb :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
yeah its the hd5870six which has 2gb gddr5.......Quote:
Originally Posted by s3rv3r
as far as i know thats going to be the first model of 5870 with 2gb...
i'm waiting for that one, its out in october.... :up:
Obviously he does need to put this on reviews, because people are more confused than they seem...Yourself included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar
NVidia supports OpenCL... Much like OpenGL and OpenAL it's an open standard. If it didn't support NVidia hardware just because it was NVidia hardware when it's perfectly capable of doing the work, then it wouldn't be an open standard and as such wouldn't be part of the Open Library family.
Havok is 100% software based, and ever since Intel bought havok we haven't heard a THING about havok FX. By this point, we all may as well consider it canceled or shelved. HavokFX was slated to be able to run on both NVidia and ATi cards, and as such you couldn't use it as a con for NVidia.
Of course, considering intel bought Havok during the days that intel was trying to tell gamers that cpu meant more than gpu(funny how that panned out, no?) it's pretty much common knowledge that havok fx will never see the light of day. To this day, not a single game has ever used Havok FX.
Now, the reason why lack of cuda and physx support are cons for ATi is because both are used in the industry. Maybe not as widely used as they could be, but they ARE used none the less. As such, a lack of support for those features is still a con :up:
So he needs to put lack of ATI Stream in Nvidia card reviews because it use in the industry ;)
of course it is, it has half the ram, and is 4730 levels lower!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Couldn't agree more. I had a fun "argument" with a customer once about their 8500GT 1GB being the hot stuff and how that by suggesting he purchase a 512MB ATI product instead (HD 4770 ;the best and fastest card we carried at the time ) that I was as informed and intelligent as a cave hermit. I believe I was told by him that ATI cards licked his balls.... These kind of people never cease to crack me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
Anyone who takes the time to become informed however usually has a fair understanding of all the terms thrown up in the air and whats relevant and whats not. (eg showing Crysis as a game example on the box of a low end gpu ; That is correct Sir! That there 8500GT will "pwnzor" Crysis hardcores because it has 1337GBs of 128bit GDDR2s and they show epic screen shots of it on the back of the box! "
Wow, the HD5870 is cheaper than 295 and performs almost the same.
Sadly I won't be able to upgrade since I need to replace my current rig with better hardware.
HD5870 will be bottlenecked by the q6600@3.4 ? isn't it ?
:( thats what he said too :clap::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by villa1n
There isn't a game out right now that the Q6600 can't keep up with the 5870 once the rez and AA are turned on when it comes to staying above your monitors refresh rate...Quote:
Originally Posted by ihatbs
Seriously...
The Q6 series, Q9 series, and AMD Phenom II's are all FINE for gaming. You don't need an i7 to play games just because it's the fastest thing out there. :up:
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Very well said!
1920x1200 and the games are becoming GPU limited or are running way above 60FPS.
The only game you will need i7 or PhII on LN2 for is 3DMark06/05
My Phenom copes well with HD5870, really pleased so far, especially coming from HD4870CF 512MB!
So many people on here always seem to forget that Light...
From personal experience, I can say the Q6600 as low as 3.2ghz, or a phenom at 3.2-3.6 play games perfectly fine. Sure, I'm not playing with a 5870, but fact is if you want an idea of if the cpu will bottleneck you too far drop the resolution as far as it will possibly go with no AA/AF and see if the framerate is to low for you... If it's not, then your cpu isn't going to hold you back.
That is, assuming you have a card that can reach your cpu's limit of course... Obviously if you're trying crysis and you have an HD2900 you're still not going anywhere near what your cpu is capable of.
According to testing with the GTX 295 and cpu scaling, the only game that scaled more than like 2-4 fps at high resolution was UT3, and it was STILL over 100fps on all the quads IIRC. Only the old school A64x2's had issues staying when it came to this.
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Originally Posted by DilTech
I think you guys are still kind of high... a core 2 around 2.6ghz is enough to handle a lot... but why run a core 2 under 3ghz? :)
The point of it all was just that there's no need for someone with a Q6600 at 3.4 to upgrade to an i7 just to buy a 5870.
Fact is, any of those 3 processor series are still fine and dandy for gaming. I know I have no intention of upgrading from my q6600 any time soon.
AMD Demos Dual Cypress Graphics Card - Hemlock
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-demo....html?doc=7718
Depends purly on the engien, TF2 carves for every MHZ. Even with a 3.8ghz ci7 and that thing still scales with every mhz more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
priced below $500.... so the SINGLE cypress for 370 seems a bit steep.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Except if they were talking about the 5850X2....
ah yes, the venerable TF2, the source engine, known for being a system crusher, and completely unplayable at anything below 50 FPS. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
http://i33.tinypic.com/16208sx.gif
ow... what now :shrug: it seems that at 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF you'll get 50fps with a HD 4770...
so with a 2.4Ghz C2D you'll be quite safe here; no need for a faster CPU. you missed the point where even a slower CPU will still be fast enough, sure a faster CPU might give you higher FPS, but those are wasted;)
play on a 24+ player, best on a 32player server and then show me the min fps. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
You will get dips in the high 30s regardless of which resolution your using, guaranteed and not just for a second but rather quite long (a few seconds, as long as the action lasts).
Syntesitc testing of TF2 means jack:banana::banana::banana::banana:. :yepp:
like when people say they get 100fps in WoW, but that was done in the middle of no where, go to dalaran (or whatever the popular city is at that time) and you can see single digit fps on almost any hardware with max settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
About tf2, core i7 helps a lot, set in launch options -threads 8 . By default tf2 will only use 3 with multi-core turned on. The engine can support up to 16.
Overclock i7, those blasted particles will never see it coming:D
tf2 is not usable as benchmark for modern graphics cards .. next revision of our vga benchmark setup will most probably not have tf2 anymore.. way too cpu limited
33 player server, 1920x1200 8xAA/16xAF, always >60FPS; avg, no dips under 40fps. And that with 9800GTX+Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
in the sense that it will keep on scaling with higher CPU speeds; but that doesn't necessarily mean anything;)Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
if the lowest FPS you get with a entry level system is already playable, there's no return in investment if you go for a faster CPU:)
not if you have a 120hz monitor :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
ok, for that 0.1% go OC your i7 ;-)