Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

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04-10-2008, 07:50 AM
lopri

Anyone else had a success yet? Something like 3.2GHz+ air? Also what's the consensus on the best motherboard for clocking/tweaking? (Features, layout, etc. not a consideration)
04-10-2008, 08:08 AM
keithlm

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

and make exceptional products:up:

Except for BIOS. :rolleyes:

But to give them credit, as you said earlier, they probably had written off AMD. (And every 790FX board has similar issues.)

PICTURE THIS: There's like one guy working above a smoke shop in Bangladesh working on updating the AMD bios. (He's in India because the the Taiwan and Korean manufactururers found it "cost effective" to outsource.)

He got a call this week: "Remember all the Phenom fixes you were doing? WHEN CAN WE HAVE THEM."

(EDIT: I'll bet that DFI and other companies have their "first string" working on patches for the 790FX BIOS at this moment.)
04-10-2008, 08:27 AM
GenTarkin

thanks guys for all your responses....I guess my next question is, just comparing the M2RS directly to the DS5....I love DFI, I have their DFI UT LP Expert right now....what an awesome board.

I know the M2R is the highest quality you can get right now, I dont have money for a 250$ board LOL....is the M2RS good?
I dont care about audio as I have a sound card, and dont care about IO performance as I use a PCIE SCSI RAID card.
So, that being said....I know you would all choose the M2R above the DS5 anyday, but...M2RS vs DS5....which you think is better quality? still the M2RS?
IF so...can I get an answer on memory compatability? I keep reading that DFI's really picky...I dont care about OC'in the memory much, so if I get say just a basic set of G.skill PC6400 for it or something...will it work fine? Will I be able to OC the CPU still with that memory?

Thanks very much....
04-10-2008, 08:36 AM
Brother Esau

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Originally Posted by keithlm

Except for BIOS. :rolleyes:

But to give them credit, as you said earlier, they probably had written off AMD. (And every 790FX board has similar issues.)

PICTURE THIS: There's like one guy working above a smoke shop in Bangladesh working on updating the AMD bios. (He's in India because the the Taiwan and Korean manufactururers found it "cost effective" to outsource.)

He got a call this week: "Remember all the Phenom fixes you were doing? WHEN CAN WE HAVE THEM."

(EDIT: I'll bet that DFI and other companies have their "first string" working on patches for the 790FX BIOS at this moment.)

Not true at all DFI has always had the Best Bios bar none! This situation as said is source Code related from AMD /AWARD and I have had quite a few DFI Boards and never seen this kind of thing coming from Oskar Wu's Bios Team not ever:(
04-10-2008, 09:11 AM
KTE

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Originally Posted by GenTarkin

I am in a quandry about which board to get for phenom for my upgrade....
Its between the gigabyte 790FX-DS5 and the DFI LP DK 790FX-M2RS

which board would hold better to overclocking and also which board is more flexible with what RAM you use with it.

I've not seen anyone with a 9850 in that DFI or that DS5 posted many details yet so can't say. Look to their notes and findings whomever they be. ;)

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Also, those screen shots earlier in this thread on the gigabyte board, with HWmonitor...showing the amps and wattages on the rails....is that a gigabyte board only and does the DS5 feature this?

Can you give reference where?
That isn't a board feature AFAIK but of the GBT Odin GT PSU only.

One major point is, the DS5 doesn't have as much RAM and RAM related problems as the DFI boards though and is far more stable on a day to day basis. The DFI has some major BIOS problems too, most others boards don't ATM. I played with the DS5 long ago when it first released and even the first BIOSes were quite excellent and stable.
04-10-2008, 09:14 AM
wiak

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Originally Posted by Oese

yeah service of course.. just write to dfi and they'll send you whatever a chipset cooler, an i/o-panel.. all at no charge..

hehe dude that depends on where you live, if in europe you might have to pay shipping hehe
04-10-2008, 09:30 AM
SocketMan

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Originally Posted by KTE

I've not seen anyone with a 9850 in that DFI or that DS5 posted many details yet so can't say. Look to their notes and findings whomever they be. ;)
Can you give reference where?
That isn't a board feature AFAIK but of the GBT Odin GT PSU only.

One major point is, the DS5 doesn't have as much RAM and RAM related problems as the DFI boards though and is far more stable on a day to day basis. The DFI has some major BIOS problems too, most others boards don't ATM. I played with the DS5 long ago when it first released and even the first BIOSes were quite excellent and stable.

You know I've been asking myself the same question for a few weeks now:
Which 790fx board to get? Then I thought why not ask AMD?;)
Guess what there are only 2 790fx boards that AMD "recommends"
1.Asus m3a MVP and MSI K9a2:)
04-10-2008, 09:31 AM
Undersea

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Originally Posted by Tony

I had to go back to work guys, benching takes time away from what i do for a living so i have to balance the two. Also the Gigabyte bad flashed and the DFI has a boot to bios issue so im battling a board at the moment to try and get the clocks i had with the DQ6. Hitting reset 10 times each time you boot because the board hangs loading bios with a blue bar and flashing cursor really can do ones head in ;)

I will do my best to run off some benches, in the mean time please if you get a phenom just join the fun here, see how well it does and post some results.

Tony any action on this or word from DFI. It's an aggravating bug.
04-10-2008, 09:37 AM
wiak

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Originally Posted by SocketMan

You know I've been asking myself the same question for a few weeks now:
Which 790fx board to get? Then I thought why not ask AMD?;)
Guess what there are only 2 790fx boards that AMD "recommends"
1.Asus m3a MVP and MSI K9a2:)

gigabyte 790FX DS5 is excellent :up:
04-10-2008, 11:08 AM
wiak

Where did everyone go?
Am all alone here
:with:
04-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Undersea

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Originally Posted by wiak

Where did everyone go?
Am all alone here
:with:

I was always a little afraid of the gigabyte boards because of memory issues. I guess they have gotten better.

My M2RS is a really nice board that changes price on newegg daily.

I love the board but I have found these issues so far:

1)AOD does not work with a X2 and volts. Don't care but it would be nice if the utility AMD marketed for the chipset worked. Damn just like ntune.

2)The North Bridge is hot. My advice is rip it off as soon as you get the board, rice grain paste and add a fan. That will reduce temps 20c.

3)When the board is first started if you try and get into bios it will often hang with a small blue line across the bottom.
04-10-2008, 11:49 AM
aGeoM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SocketMan

You know I've been asking myself the same question for a few weeks now:
Which 790fx board to get? Then I thought why not ask AMD?;)
Guess what there are only 2 790fx boards that AMD "recommends"
1.Asus m3a MVP and MSI K9a2:)

If I could get back in time...

1st-ASUS M3A32-MVP (just because bios eeprom chip can be removed)
2nd-MSI K9A2 Plat. (Priceless)
3rd-To be released... :D
04-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Oese

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Originally Posted by wiak

hehe dude that depends on where you live, if in europe you might have to pay shipping hehe

no, there are some very nice and friendly dfi-folks right next door in the nederlands :D
04-10-2008, 12:44 PM
GenTarkin

@Undersea...

Thanks for the info man =) yes I love DFI and I want to stay with them....do you know by any chance...if AOD works with phenom and M2RS?

How often does it hang with blue line on bottom of screen? Do, I just not try to go into BIOS on first POST? will that bug go away after that? Or will it be there anytime I power up the board and try to get into BIOS on first POST?

Guys do you know if the M2RS power regulation is strong enough to OC the 9850??? looked at DFI's cpu support list and they dont have B3's listed yet =/ as official support on the M2RS...
04-10-2008, 01:05 PM
railmeat

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Originally Posted by pablo NZ

lol @ worrying about electromigration...

OH NOES my cpu is only going to last 15 years instead of 20 D:

That unreferenced wiki article certainly elucidates it nicely as well.

"OH NOES my cpu is only going to last 15 years instead of 20 D:"

thats a riot,but true,lol:)
04-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Undersea

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Originally Posted by GenTarkin

@Undersea...

Thanks for the info man =) yes I love DFI and I want to stay with them....do you know by any chance...if AOD works with phenom and M2RS?

How often does it hang with blue line on bottom of screen? Do, I just not try to go into BIOS on first POST? will that bug go away after that? Or will it be there anytime I power up the board and try to get into BIOS on first POST?

Guys do you know if the M2RS power regulation is strong enough to OC the 9850??? looked at DFI's cpu support list and they dont have B3's listed yet =/ as official support on the M2RS...

No I have to wait for a phenom. Sorry on that one but on the 2/15 bios notes it mentioned fixing volts for AOD maybe that was for a phenom.

Point 2, yes. it has to cycle once before entering bios from a cold start. Most times.

Point 3, I'm guessing but yes. its all hidden under the heatsinks.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data...02/DFI_cpu.jpg

A little reading:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=6&id=2502
04-10-2008, 01:24 PM
Oese

which are monstrous :eek:
04-10-2008, 01:30 PM
wiak

phenom 9850 Black editon @ 2.7ghz, not overclocked 3870 ^^
http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=14
04-10-2008, 02:13 PM
byronm

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Originally Posted by wiak

phenom 9850 Black editon @ 2.7ghz, not overclocked 3870 ^^
http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=14

Thats a pretty good benchmark there. If you ran clock for clock (oc the 9850) i bet it would beat the 8400

Only problem is the 8400/e3110s are already cheaper than 9850's and much more readily available
04-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Boschwanza

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...31&postcount=1

User review Penryn vs Phenom

Phenom slightly ahead in the game benchmarks. Interesting to see better min FPS in Crysis by the Phenom.
04-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Brother Esau

Are the Temps reported on these Phenom 9850 BE rev B3 accurate?

I have gotten my CPU today and have it at stock right now @1.24v and I am getting 65c with OCCT running:confused: is that right or is the software and Bios reading this thing wrong because its a new Revision?

I have the stock AMD Heatsink on as I had to break my Rig down completely to install the New OCZ Reaper 2x2gb but damn thats hot! Considering with my 9600 BE I was 34c Under Load in Prime with my Tuniq Tower whats up with the temps on this thing even with stock AMD Heatsink?
04-10-2008, 03:36 PM
aGeoM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Are the Temps reported on these Phenom 9850 BE rev B3 accurate?

I have gotten my CPU today and have it at stock right now @1.24v and I am getting 65c with OCCT running:confused: is that right or is the software and Bios reading this thing wrong because its a new Revision?

Thake a look on DFI thread, last page, my first post ;)

307 Bios give me 1.310v as Default :confused:
04-10-2008, 03:38 PM
Brother Esau

I know what it gives at default but I said too that I have set vcore @1.24v
04-10-2008, 03:57 PM
aGeoM

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

I know what it gives at default but I said too that I have set vcore @1.24v

It's all there m8, 1.24 @2500 LOAD, @2800 & 3000. I had read your edit: yep seems normal, my temps are higher also, they revised temps.
04-10-2008, 04:01 PM
gOtVoltage

9850BE is 1.3 default for CPUVID and NBVID.....Only B2's use 1.25vid i thought..

even though 9850 specs are 1.20/1.25/1.30v.....It should always boot to 1.3v if set to auto on any Mobo..

I could be wrong , but thats what ive been seeing/reading...

What ever the NBVID is set ,the CPU should be the same or Higher,but not below NBvid.

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