On the ggbt extreme, I moved to F5e bios today and noticed something in realtemp 2.9.
The temps for the 1st two cpus are always the same and the temp for the 2nd two are always the same.
Over all the temps might be reporting at 2-3C less?
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On the ggbt extreme, I moved to F5e bios today and noticed something in realtemp 2.9.
The temps for the 1st two cpus are always the same and the temp for the 2nd two are always the same.
Over all the temps might be reporting at 2-3C less?
the first two cores always seem to match each other and the second two cores always seem to match each other since I got my chip reguardless of bios or temp monitor program used.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
My question is to everyone: when using F5g does it require 1 notch up on the cpu voltage to get stable?
run 32m superpi and watch the first core heatup, then the second, then the third, then the fourth, then the first etc.
It seem to cycle through the cores till they reach a certain temp difference or something
Bob - what bios are you on now - still on f4j?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
yessir has been fine, initiating my HD's takes like 5 seconds or so is the only problem Ive had with it :) looks like its jammed but starts fine after a few secs
I didn't notice this change in realtemp behavior until after I changed from F4m to F5eQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
Stable with orgcooler..
http://bandwidth.se/thumbs/nouser/42501cec41dff.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=494924
wow - nice temps - what is the orgcooler?Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
what's an orgcooler? And would it matter what cooler you were using in sub-normal ambient temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
I see allot of this lately.
Dude 1: "Hey look at my kick ass temps with the stock cooler"
Dude 2: "Nice what was the ambient temperature?"
Dude 1 "-20C"
Also mate, a 1m superpi run doesn't mean it's stable....at all.
Rev - be nice ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I have no idea how you came up with that post as not being nice Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
Rev,
I have some new memory arriving tomorrow - upgrading from 3x1gb 1066 to 2000.
I am trying to figure out how to go about ocing it based on current cpu oc, bclock and uncore.
At 200+ bclock I will want to run the mem mutli at 10 so that means the uncore multi needs to be at 21 right?
But 200x21 is uncore running at 4200 which it seems it will not do.
So questions -
1. I assume cpu cycles are still king and that I do not want to give up on any of my cpu oc (almost 4.3 ht on, and 4.4 ht off).
2. How do I get qpi and uncore speed high enough to run the memory at 2k?
Hello guys. Is this UD5 board replaced by UD4P?
LOL! House of cards stable. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
http://wright-pc.com/pyr0/UD5/Quote:
Originally Posted by hlonipha
thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
Using unclewebbs apic ID program...listing the core orders, using bioses F4betas every time you reboot, the cores were in different order, like pic 1 (except core 0 always first).Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
Using bios F5e, cores always boot in correct order..see pic 2. I noticed same change on temps...just core order is always correct now. When you run load the temps differ or mine do. Others may have there core order boot up correctly all the time, it is some bios/cpu thing, doesnt happen on everybodies though. I think the most recent version of realtemp though will correct order anyways.
LOL! I love this stuff. Hey I'm not about just boring old 99.999% stability. I'm totally going for all the suicides I can think of once I finally get my WC sorted. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonTrooper
Upgraded to bios F5F today, problems seem to be gone!
Woohoo for beta bios!
Any ideas here please*****
I can boot and prime @189x20 with turbo enable HT disable for 12hrs. at:
1.31v cpuz idle & 1.296v load,
QPI/VTT 1.18V
x36
x16
x8
rest setting auto.
Now if I change the Bclock to 190+ no boot at all, do not matter if I change multi to 19 turbo off. tried bios f5g, f4,f4r. helpppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would first see if it is voltage, bios, or bclk issue.
Drop multi to 17, turbo off, and try to boot at 17x190+, but also increase qpi/vtt to 1.35, and DRAM 1.66v-(gives 1.65 in cpuz on most, if not there already). If increasing qpi/vtt works, you can then back down to see what you need.
If that does not work, try 6 multi and 13 for UC and also 8 multi and 17 UC.
thanks thanks a lot for the help will try this and report backQuote:
Originally Posted by rge
no go. the only way I can boot pass 189 is changing the qpi link to slow mode (98mhz). any reason why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hlonipha
Thanks
Updating BIOS from F4r to F5e, helped me drop CPU Voltage from 1.3V in bios to 1.25V. I never knew BIOS update could reduce voltage requirements.
So it is bclk or corresponding qpi of 18x189 (36 on gb is 18). I hit a wall at 215 bclk, slow mode does not help me, but others have reported they can go higher with slow mode as well on qpi. It is why some were asking for lower qpi multis...raising bclk raises everything, and limit may be qpi, though most can go higher than 189x18. If I raise qpi/vtt and qpi pll I can then go higher but have to go way up on them, others just moderate increase.
But try raising qpi/vtt to 1.45v (not going to hurt for one boot, I have benched for hours at 1.68vtt), and Dram to 1.7v, qpi PLL raise 2-3 notches. If that works, at least you know what problem is. also I am assuming you ruled out mem/uncore by using 6x multi and 13 uncore. And of course use 19 multi to try it, not 21. Also raise vcore to 1.45 and enable LLC...again just trying to get answers first, worry about settings later. One boot isnt going to hurt anything, once you learn problem, then you can decide your voltage limits.
One other thing you could try is bios F3, where TDP limits are in play..again just for testing.
ok coolQuote:
Originally Posted by rge
I did tried 6x 13 uncore combo but nothing. will try upping voltage and see. if this does not work will try F3 bios.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
WOW, you have one ROCKING 940 there, those are some amazing clocks, :eek: :up:
Thanks...just got a decent i7, makes up for my other cpus I wasnt as lucky with.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
Hello
I've read that Gigabyte UD4P is replacing UD5 and it has the same pcb and bios as UD5 and Extreme. The only differences ara mb stock cooling, single ethernet and 8 sata instead of 10. So is it worth getting the UD4P or should I try to find UD5 because it seems like we have shortage of UD5 boards here. Also I am considering of buying Asus P6T Deluxe. It would be good to get some advice from you.
To be honest, you won't be losing out any which way you choose to go on the above selections. I might try to snag the UD5 while you still can, it really is a premium board overall, but then so is the P6T Deluxe. I'd prefer the UD5 personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozan Baseski
flashed to F5E from F4J, everythign seems to work alright with the same settings,so im happy. :)
DES and ET6 still dont work thought. :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
No go, could it be my board is bad?
no matter which bios version I use, can not boot past 190. unless I set qpi to slow.
Its the cpu not the board.
Try to give more QPI voltage
you mean qpi/vtt? I had that thing up to 140v as suggested by RGE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
We have very cold here in sweden just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
What are you for complaining, I can get my cpu at this speed without problems.
So stop GRUMBLING to my records, do reached similar instead stupid...
SteveRO the original cooler that came with the cpu, i have just started to test in my chip..
Like hornet said it is your cpu, sounds like you may have gotten unlucky with bclk limit. Intel has said some bclk's will have limit of 180's other 190's and most wont get past 220's, though few have. If we ever get lower qpi multi's that may help you, but dont know if that is coming anytime soon or at all on our chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by hlonipha
I can do 215 bclk with minimal vtt/qpi, like 1.35 (I got one with decent limit, but not the best). Then to do 217 bclk, I need 1.64qpi. I have a soft wall at 215 and a hard wall at 217, the sharp cut off is amazing. But it is pointless for me to try to get above 215 bclk for anything other than benching.
You may have your first wall at 189. You might want to try raising qpi/vtt even higher...just for curiosity sake...but probably not going to go over 189 for 24/7 with your chip. But I would try at least 1.45 to 1.5v qpi/vtt once just to see if it will even boot at all, and raise qpi pll to 1.16 or so as well, it is necessary as well for me to go from 215 to 217.
Others have had the same problem, sold their chip, then got lucky on next purchase and OCed past 4, past 200 bclk, no problem with low qpi/vtt.
Thanks a lot for your help on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
I'm within my 7 days purchase from the egg, maybe I return and try for another one or just keep this one at 189x20 turbo on rock solid.
Encoding a blu-ray to x264 cut my times in half from my q6600 at 3.7. I went from 3hrs 35 minutes to 1hr 30 minutes total time. Is the difference in real world applications a lot from 189x20 to 200x20 ?
It is 5% diff OC... so not that much.
4600mhz done on air..
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=495579
And you ReverendMaynard dont bather...
Ok not worth sending back. I will keep and enjoy my new speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Nice Chef, TS spirit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
What bios are u using now ? And have u fixed so u can run 3x mems in white slots ?
I'm ditching my ASUS P6T Deluxe oc palm edition for the giga extreme...NEWEGG has an open box for $225 but these are the returned problem ones correct? I will prob just buy a brand new one.
My board should be here tomorrow, I'm excited :D It's been a long time since I had a chance to build a new system. I'm looking forward to the challenge of learning how to OC a whole new architecture. The only down side is that I don't have a CPU block for 1366 yet, so I am going to be stuck on the stock fan for a few days while I puzzle through my choices.
Oh, a search came up with nothing, so: Anyone tried Linux on this board? If so, does everything work?
Hehe... you just get ready to see huge vdroops with Gigabyte mobo's :PQuote:
Originally Posted by STi489
you get huge vdroops? Mine drops from 1.375 to 1.36v...how in the eff is that huge? lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
Well... currently i have set 1.3v in Bios, cpu-z shows 1.280v idle and 1.264v in full... 0.02v diff in idle and 0.036v in full... tell me if this is not some considerable number...
Nothing fancy here. Tried to run my memory in 1800mhz with standard timings, and itīs seem to work well, atleast for Superpi :)
Vcore: 1.3250 in bios " Showing 1.28 in Cpuz "
uncore: 20
Qpi/Vtt: 1,51
PLL : 1.86
Dram: 1.66
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6...0x20rr1.th.jpg
Just posting some results...
I have a ATI X2 in the same Wc loop, that is why the high temps.
Bios F5e. 1.216 vcore 3800 mhz :D
* I can not get easytune to work in Vista64....:shrug:
[IMG]http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2528/i73800121vka0.jpg http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/i73...pg/1/w1024.png[/IMG]
The trick I use to get the tray icon to appear is just mousing all over the 'Show hidden icons' arrow and the first tray icon until it shows up. Sometimes I have to run EasyTune two or three times AND use this trick to get it to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by euonline
yep, click it three times, wait a couple seconds between click - works every time (or I guess that would be every third time, emm ...). :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by JWMc
Thanks, but I do not get any icons. what I get is the following message while loading vista:Quote:
Originally Posted by JWMc
"GUI MFC Application Has Stopped working"
* another issue is tha I have C1E and EIST enabled and some how my multy never drops to 12... it must be some other stetting that is interfering in these ones.
I have the same problem with EasyTune. Neither the one from the CD that came with my mobo nor the latest version from the web site will run, both erroring out with the same error that euonline is getting.
My easytune that has worked flawlessly on every installation i have done since getting the board has suddenly started crashing on startup as described.
What has changed? I downloaded the latest version from the GB site ;)
Since i never even used it to begin with i'm not even going to bother reinstalling the one from the driver cd.
easytune B8.1224.1 loads at startup for me in vista64 :shrug:
I live in Canada and it's just a cold or colder here. I'm not grumbling, I just had no idea where you were from and that english wasn't your first language. Chill the eff out, and stop quoting my name in your posts like I'm after you.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
Beautiful clocks by the way :)
Setting to 1.3v and having 1.28v up and running is vdrop, not droop, so when you look at 1.28v to 1.264v from idle to load which is vdroop that's only .016vdroop. Beautiful if you know what you're looking at. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
Just an FYI for all Gigabyte UD5/xTreme owners, I was getting "IRQL not less or equal" error with Green Lan Feature enabled when running Prime and Linx. I disabled that feature and the problem is Gone.
Nice find ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by icecold316
Find a small bug in the F5C, E and G bios for the UD5.
CPU FAN settings goes back to auto every time you enter the MIT page. :D
Seems i need to retests my settings with F5e
Just got a BSOD while playing TF2, guess its the ram/imc. Since with each bios version the subtimings change.
you running it in standard mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
So I have pretty much settled down to two motherboard picks that I want. Either Asus Rampage II Extreme or Gigabyte EX58 Extreme.
I am posting here to ask if 12GB of Corsair Dominator Ram TR3X6G1600C8D that they have on Newegg will work, stable and run well at 1600MHz. I know by looking at the QVL doesn't list the memory, sadly.
I really like the layout of the EX58 Extreme, it's loads of SATA ports and still support triple SLI and I can toss a Fatality sound card in there if I get bored of onboard. If I get the EX58 I will be Watercooling the board so even though the heatsinks are sweet I will be actually removing them.
I am not sure if the Extreme is the same as the UD5 with more pipes or what, but either way I will be removing heatsinks. *searches for his chainsaw*
But yes, the real major issue is can I run 12GB of those ram at 1600MHz with a 920 i7?
Someone mentioned in another thread that no Asus board has the "Turbo" feature, which basically gives you an extra multiplier. If this is true, I wouldn't even look at the Asus.
Hello Reverend. Are you asking him about standard mode because he should be using it? Im just curious because I have a UD5 and its set at TURBO. Mabey its making me less stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Thanks for any help.
Still no one that has even tried raising PCIe to say 110MHz on EX58 Extreme...?
jup its standard but some timinings got tighter (Read to Read latencys got from 9/9/9 to 7/6/4, Round trip latency from 74 to 64) and some got a bit slacker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Hi blossa!Quote:
Originally Posted by blossa
I have mine PCI-e 110 on my UD5, works good..
is it still just possible to change ram-timings in bios ? No memtweaker in windows works yet ??
It's not a matter of should mate, it could be a matter of necessity depending on what kind of clocks you want to hit. Standard is much, much more forgiving from what I've found and although Turbo gives you a small boost in Everest cache and bandwidth, it's small enough to overpower with sheer clock power.Quote:
Originally Posted by bfghornet
has anyone proven that this is worth it at allQuote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
Atleast it was before when benching 3D06 with ATI-cards. Over ~115mhz started to get a boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
chefnr1: Any special settings to run 110MHz? On my Extreme board 101MHz is about max stable. :p
I'm not sure who mentioned it but it's not true whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonTrooper
I haven't been following the Asus board thread but I think I heard that a BIOS update is coming soon to add an option to disable the TDP limit requirement for the turbo multiplier to activate. Right now Asus users can keep turbo active (21 multi on the 920) as long as they don't OC past this hard coded limit that they are temporarily stuck with. This isn't an issue for 965 owners because they can manually set whatever max multi they want and not care if turbo works past a certain clock speed.
Thanks for this information Reverend. Ive been wondering about that setting since I got this board and never really saw a post about it until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Does anyone have SLI running on the ud5 on bios f5g under vista x64? I can get SLI working under Xp x64 and windows 7 x64 just not vista.
I've tried a lot of clean vista installs... I'm at the point where I have a vista x64 install with just the chipset drivers and the nvidia and a game or 2 but I can't get SLI working the games run at single card speed.
Tonight I benched i7-920 on Extreme with dry ice cooling, and I found some sort of MoBo cold bug:
system can't boot if Vcore > 1.53875 (BIOS). It goes to infinite power on/power off loop with following error codes: 11, 22, 55. Tried F4m instead of F5e and nothing changed.
This Vcore limit is low for my chip in 2D benches and cold water looks better then dry ice for it. :( DI clocks are 4500 Mhz for 3DMark 05 and 4450 Mhz for 3DMark 06, same as cold water.
Also processor thermal diodes can't show temps lover then -10*C. Temps are -59*C by thermometer, -10*C by RealTemp 2.90b, -60*C by BIOS monitor.
Is anybody here benched i7-920/EX58-Extreme on lover temps, on cascade or LN2? Do you have same issues?
I made a thread, but really haven't gotten any advice yet. I figured I would post it in here:
screenshots:Quote:
So I managed to get my setup to do 215x21 stable enough to run superpi, wprime and some other stuff no problem. I tried to go to 216 and it just wasn't having it. I think I set the vcore in BIOS to 1.64 to get the 215x21 OC to run.
So I put the setup on a vapochill LS and couldn't even get it to load into windows at 215x21 anymore. I upped the vcore as high as 1.68 volts but still nothing. Now I can't even clock it to 4 GHz stable, and it won't go past 159x21. I notice it doesn't even show the vcore in CPUZ, leaving that spot blank. And if RealTemp shows the VID at 1.0875 and now at 0.9750.
Should I give it a shot at RMAing the board, or the board and the CPU? What else could I try just to mess with this setup? I understand that messing with this kind of stuff I am bound to fry some hardware, and that is not a problem. Even if I can't RMA the stuff under warranty, I will just buy some more.
what do you guys think?
thanks for the help,
Mike
http://www.hi-upload.com/upload/uplo...fucedvcore.JPG
http://www.hi-upload.com/upload/uplo...fucdvcore2.JPG
http://www.hi-upload.com/upload/uplo...fucedvcore.JPG
http://www.hi-upload.com/upload/uplo...fucdvcore2.JPG
I have benched hours and hours with arena chess test (which is like running prime), 3dmark, pcmark, vantage, 32m spi, etc at 4.6ghz, 1.68vcore LLC enabled, 1.6vtt, 1.96DRAM, 1.96 cpu Pll. I had run ~10 prime 12+ hrs runs and many linpack when I first got the cpu, and after all the abuse at high volts, all my stable OC's require exact same vcore, qpi/vtt, etc. I would be surprised if one benching session at those volts did any damage, unless you have a defective part to begin with...or certainly one less viable then mine.
I had one situation, prior to doing any benching where all of sudden I was limited to low bclk...turned out to be a bad stick of ram, solved by putting in one stick of ram at a time.
Also I assume you have reflashed bios, if you are getting weird settings in cpuz. Also I assume you are stable at stock, ie not a corrupt OS.
But if you have narrowed it down to cpu/motherboard already, dont know what to tell you. Best way to investigate is with another cpu, without another cpu or mobo to try, would only be guessing. BTW...screenshot links dont work for me.
anybody tried this pencil mod?
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5.../pencilbu0.png
My UD5 went bad, corrupted bios, S-ATA controller is messed up, ... Mobo got into an infinite reboot (my girlie called me after half an hour that the she couldn't get into windows, the pc shutdown,rebooted all the time)
End result : one dead mobo, one dead raptor and 2 Tb drives messed up... why can't Gigabyte implement just a no post, then user push the power button till it shuts down and then repost with fail safe values like the Asus mobo's... I already hated this failsafe feature on the P45T and this UD5 is the same...
i tried it and it didn't appear to do anything at all :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
@ Leeghoofd, damn dude, that really sucks about the bad hardware :( (had an ultra x3 1kw psu die yesterday after about 1/2 hr of use)
although the process you described, sounds similar to the way my board recovers from a bad oc
if it doesn't post while overclocking, usually tapping the reset button a couple of times makes it boot up with failsafe values
has anyone heard of any new bios's coming?
hoping that it was just the new year celebrations that slowed down the releases
hmm I am going to try to remove some of the RAM and see what happens. I have the computer running with the RAM multiplier set so my RAM is running at 1600MHz even at a 133 bclk on the processor and it works fine. So I'm not sure what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
You are correct that I reflashed BIOS (from F1 to F3) to see if that corrects the problem. I also have a stable system at stock clocks, and the computer runs like a normal computer at stock clocks other than the fact I can't see normal vcores.
I do still have dielectric grease on the socket. I don't think it is causing any problems as the system initially clocked fine with the dielectric on the vapochill.
Ok im back at F4j... F5e didn't resmued from S3 with oc, while F4j has no problem at all.
Sounds like what happened to mine a few weeks back, been fine since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
I got my UD5 setup over the weekend. I haven't had time to fine tune things yet. It came with the F3 bios. I flashed to F5G and it seems to be doing better. It sounded like F5E was highly touted, but I can't find it anywhere. I've been priming for quite a few hours at 4GHZ. Here is a screen:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5130/4ghzrv9.jpg
Don't use RealTemp 2.70, it fibs about Core i7 temps and shows them lower then they really are. Use 2.90 at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by cardnut99668
cardnut ... whats your cpu cooler??? air etc??
Quick question guys, someone over at ocforums stated that turbo mode on only overclocks one core with the extra multi. Is this true?
Cuz, I thought I seen multiple times stated here that the gigabytes properly run turbo mode on all cores and lock it at that speed???
Thanks for the clarification!
you have one...why not test it? Cores are either disabled, or they all have to run at the same multi. They aren't independent that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenTarkin
Well, I did not know how to see if they were clocked differently, but now that you just told me they are all same speed or disabled????Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
That right?
So, i7 cores cant run at different multis at same time like the phenoms can?
correct. The only time you can adjust a multi on a single core with the i7 is if you disable the rest. Then you get the magic 22x multi ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GenTarkin
How could I test this ? I thought I read somewhere here that only one core would use the 21 multi out of the four.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I found this "Quote:
The latest revelation is Turbo Mode. According to IDF stalwart and all round Intel evangelist, Pat Gelsinger, Turbo Mode allows individual cores in its upcoming Core i7 desktop CPU to be entirely switched off.
That in turn allows additional power to be channelled to the remaining cores. The idea is to boost performance in applications that do not make use of all four of Core i7's processor cores.
Intel says that for single threaded applications, the technique allows the speed of a single core to be boosted by two "bins". In layman's terms, a bin translates into around 200-300MHz.
man, it's like this
you have your 920 at 20x which is it's default.
if you have turbo on, all cores run at 21x, all the time instead of 20x.
when you're running a single thread app like superpi, and the other cores aren't doing anything else, they switch off and the single core you're using goes up to 22x.
so the 920 is actually 2.8Ghz by default instead of 2.66, cause my mobo came with Turbo on, and on first boot all my cores were running at 2.8Ghz
Intel has very little power over what motherboard manufacturers do with the available technology. Gigabyte happened to choose to bypass TDP regulation and give us a permanent 21x mutli that is functional during load on ALL cores. Let's leave it at that, because this thread has covered this topic about 50 pages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by hlonipha
I am just about finished getting parts for my i7build.
Intel i7 920
Scythe Mugen 2
Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Corsair 850TX
I just need ram but my budget has just about run dry :(
I really don't want to skimp on ram and I would like a 3x2GB kit
How doe this ram play with the UD5? G.SKILL 6GB F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ.
Here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231225
Some other ram for a similar price?
For the price, it's kick ass and yeah they'll run perfectly in any X58 motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleclaw
So which bios is performing the best for the X58 UD5 right now?