Tnx unclewebb, it working with above command line ;)
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Tnx unclewebb, it working with above command line ;)
W7 enterprise 64bit
AI Suite was causing all of my issues with Realtemp AND Aida64 using Prime95. Both would always freeze during the 560000 test making my computer unresponsive except for Prime still running which was always no more than 35 minutes in the process. I uninstalled AI Suite and Realtemp an Prime have been playing nicely together for two hours now. No freezes...no lag...nothing. Going to try to reinstall Aida now to see if it freezes. I love Realtemp for running Linx or Prime, but I like the sidebar gadget and other monitoring tools of Aida.
Any chance on developing a gadget for Realtemp?
Thanks for letting me know that RealTemp isn't causing the Windows freeze ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddyjaxx
I don't use the sidebar so that's why I've never gotten around to writing a RealTemp gadget. Maybe someday.Quote:
Any chance on developing a gadget for Realtemp?
Interesting CPU load numbers there. 100% nearly the whole time yet it get cooler? :D Is it just me, or does Sandy Bridge do the opposite of previous generations and converge at idle? Maybe it's just this CPU. I haven't been following this thread for a while, so maybe this has already been covered.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...04/CPUTest.png
Hi randomizer, long time no see. :)
The RealTemp sensor test uses clock modulation throttling to vary the load on the CPU so you can see how the temperature sensors respond to slightly different CPU loads.
With Sandy Bridge, clock modulation throttling has changed as far as I know. It used to work by telling the CPU to skip cycles internally. I haven't personally tested this but I believe what happens now is the CPU multiplier decreases in steps. This is actually a better way to throttle a CPU so hats off to Intel for improving this. The only problem is it screws up the percent numbers in the RealTemp Sensor Test. Technically, the CPU is still running at 100% but it's 100% based on the reduced multiplier if that makes sense.
Most people know that the sensors Intel uses for thermal throttling and thermal shutdown control are not 100% accurate temperature monitoring devices. I guess the Sensor Test is still good enough to confirm that.
Hi unclewebb could you take a look @ your Rivatuner plugin http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=285259&page=4 ?
Last time I talked to the programmer of Core Temp, he was too busy to get his program updated for Sandy Bridge so I can't recommend using it until it is updated.
What CPU-Z reports when a CPU is lightly loaded has been designed for consistent CPU-Z validation purposes so it might not be the best source of information if you need to know exactly what your CPU is doing internally. HWiNFO32 used to be similar to CPU-Z but with Sandy Bridge, CPU-Z has made some changes so I'm not sure how they compare now.
RealTemp, i7 Turbo, ThrottleStop and the RTCore.dll RealTemp RivaTuner plugin follow the multiplier reporting method outlined in the Intel November 2008 Turbo White Paper. When a CPU is lightly loaded and some of the cores and threads are using the various C States, the average multiplier tends to jump around quite a bit. When turbo boost is rapidly cycling on and off, the average multiplier can also increase and decrease rapidly. That's the data my software reports. It's not always pretty but by using high performance timers within the CPU, it's extremely efficient and accurate at reporting the multiplier transitions.
I like seeing exactly what the CPU multiplier is doing internally while other users prefer to look at a stable multiplier like CPU-Z reports.
Bios C State settings like C1E/C3/C6 and the Control Panel - Power Options - Minimum processor state setting both interact with each other and determine the average multiplier your CPU operates at. Play around with those and that might help you understand what software is telling it like it is.
Here's another program I wrote that lets you play around with some of these settings without having to reboot when testing.
ThrottleStop 2.99.6
http://www.mediafire.com/?26tu6cjmgu8ze9a
Now i understand Aida64 and CPU-Z show only a approximation (striped down) of where the Multiplier is @ and CoreTemp and RealTemp show the real high resolution state (so almost realtime the state switch up/down) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
I also prefer that exact way for measuring purposes :)
Yep i played around with Minimum Energy and High Performance Profiles and i was surprised when i looked @ my Watt meter seeing no visible consumption down like im used to from CNQ, i guess idle is already optimized to the last gate already and the real difference gets visible with Profiles and Sandy Bridge on Load (didn't test that yet) or my Watt meter standard consumer one is just not efficient (high res) enough seeing the Consumption change.
As i said on Guru3d it would be rocking if you might find the time implementing also the other Sensors like VID,Multiplier,BCLK state and Power Consumption anyways great tools great work thx :)
Wow ThrottleStop 2.99.6 is nice also i can force Multiplier first 3rd party App i see that can do that i suspected something like that Asus EPU is doing when you set it on Maximum Energy Save Profile, do you think it's possible to unlock locked Multiplier or @ least force the 1 Core turbo 34 Multiplier for all Cores on H67 ? :)
Igor Levicki once unlocked VT on Sony Vaio Laptops EFI Bios http://levicki.net/articles/tips/200...o_EFI_BIOS.php i guess he has the knowledge as Black Belt Intel Member to be able todo it, though i guess the Restriction system for it isn't inside the Main Bios itself but inside Intels Proprietary IME part wherever that is located maybe you can contact him and have a talk from Dev to Dev ;).
The Core i CPUs that are setup to use the C6 sleep state, will reduce the core voltage down to zero so power consumption of that core can also drop to zero. I've seen some screen shots where the CPU package can spend over 90% of the time in the C6 state. When this is working correctly, a lot of the other adjustments you can do to a CPU won't significantly change power consumption. It's usually hard to accurately measure a difference with a consumer grade power monitoring device like a Kill-a-Watt meter or similar.
Unfortunately Intel has made some changes to Sandy Bridge and I don't have any of the good documentation for insiders. Being able to change the multipliers higher like ThrottleStop could do on previous Extreme and K series CPUs might not be possible anymore. There are a lot of lock bits in these new CPUs to prevent 3rd party apps from having some fun unless you rewrite the bios. :)
Yep i see that with Throttlestop i get a maximum of 60% C6 state idling with both High Performance or Minimum Energy Profile (compared to my old Athlon 64 X2 K8 where i had a idle drop down from CNQ of about 10W) so it basically makes no difference anymore the difference though comes @ load, applications on the Core I Cpu run faster with High Performance Profile on Load (faster thread scheduling), so i would say on XP actually it doesn't matter anymore which Energy Profile you use the CPU will be very low power on both though on the High Performance Profile it will keep more Performance @ Load (dunno yet the Power Consumption differences for the Load state though) :)
The difference in speed drop down in a 4 Core scenerio @ Load are though small but (you can miss them with a unoptimized OS easily) they exist :)
Also i could successfully Overclock on my Asus P8H67-M Pro so far to 3.3 Ghz :) and i see a nice speed up (testing especially with Video Encoding) into the direction of the I5-2500 :) obviously my speedup from my Old platform @ roughly the same power consumption (idle improved by 30W alone) is a huge one 2x more efficient under load with roughly the same power consumption (@ before 2.5 Ghz) :)
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7...ttlestopc6.png
With High Performance Profile it stays mostly from the start @ Multiplier 20x but is fast fluctuating up/down
Its really awesome to see Intels low Power Atom research inside their main Desktop CPU :)
@unclewebb
There seems to be a very heavy bug in rtcore.dll :(
if it's loaded i can't change any Sensor options the OK button in any Sensor Setup Dialog is greyed out :(
Can you be more specific and show me some screen shots and tell me exactly how I can recreate this bug?
I just fully loaded my CPU with Prime95 while RivaTuner was running and when I right clicked on any graph, I had no problem adjusting any of the parameters and saving them.
What are you using to load your CPU and what priority are you running it at?
When testing, make sure you are only using the RTCore.dll plugin and nothing else.
Im gonna make a Video of what happens stay tuned :)
here it is http://mirror05.x264.nl/CruNcher/rtcorebug/ (please go fullscreen scaling is awefull)
it also shows the issue that only 2 core sensors are loading for a 4 core I5-2400 this i could somehow get working last time or better it fixed itself last time after opening a lot of the other Sensor programs dunno if it will do it again currently rtcore only detects 2 cores (i installed a new Rivatuner for the test).
And it also Visualizes the 0 functioning of the rtcore CPU usage sensor for me, though as said C0 state looks quiet more efficient i also tested its update time vs Rivatuners internal CPU usage (win32) and C0 responds a tad faster :)
The OK button works again after unloading rtcore.dll and restarting Rivatuner you can imagine that with this bug it's not possible to use the rtcore sensor data on the OSD and change no other Sensor Setup states :(
Video not workingQuote:
Originally Posted by CruNcher
Try to repost the video. Without access to a new Sandy Bridge CPU, it will be difficult to trouble shoot the problem you are having with the RivaTuner plugin. I'll have a look to see if I can see any obvious problems.
What version of RivaTuner are you using? 2.24C is the last version I can find.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/RivaTune...nload-163.html
You can try version 3.66 of the RTCore.dll plugin.
http://www.mediafire.com/?i82ip4n09uxd7w2
I don't know if any of the changes I made will make any difference but they might. Only run the RTCore plugin when testing to try and isolate the problem as much as possible.
Try opening up the graphs and click on the Setup button and tell me what RTCore graphs you are allowed to access. The first one should be the C0% and the last one should be CPU Usage. Let me know how many in total that you can access. If this still doesn't work, can you post a screen shot of the RealTemp Settings window or tell me what it shows in the APIC ID box at the lower right.
RealTemp 3.67
http://www.mediafire.com/?n99nq4kn95u6i6a
Hi i have to go now but i will look further into it later thx uncleweb the video should be up again if not then try http://videolair.blip.tv/file/4851712/ the direct link that should definitely work
Yes im using the MSI Master Overclock Edition 2.24C
The Problem is not accessing the Setup of your or any Sensors but changing the Settings has no effect if rtcore.dll is loaded as the OK button in any of the Sensor setting window is disabled (greyed out) i hope the Video works by now it does for me on both urls.Quote:
Try opening up the graphs and click on the Setup button and tell me what RTCore graphs you are allowed to access. The first one should be the C0% and the last one should be CPU Usage. Let me know how many in total that you can access. If this still doesn't work, can you post a screen shot of the RealTemp Settings window or tell me what it shows in the APIC ID box at the lower right.
Here is the Screen of Realtemp :)
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9659/realtemp367.png
When I right click on a graph and choose Setup, this is what I get.
The OK button is immediately visible.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/585...ersetup.th.jpg
Edit: The original link you posted is a lot easier on the eyes but you might want to check out camstudio.org
I don't care how big a video file you create. Just upload it to www.mediafire.com and post a link. A couple of still images is probably good enough too.
CamStudio lets you select a small part of your screen to help keep the file size down.
Did you have time to try the updated version of the plugin I posted? Did it make any difference?
Try turning off all other graphs except the very first C0 State % graph. When you right click on it and choose setup, do you have the same problem with the OK button not being visible?
The APIC ID in your screen shot shows 0246 which means you have 4 cores and your CPU originally supported hyper threading but it has been permanently disabled by Intel. That will help me when I have another look at this tomorrow.
Yep same the OK button stays greyed out i even tried to make sure no other plugin interferes and test wise cleaned up the plugins dir completely only left in rtcore.dll and rtcore.ini but the greyed out OK problem still persistsQuote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7594/rrtcoreprob.png
Real temp is not updating cpu speed or bclk when changed by setfsb.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2092/234bclksupperpi.png
This is a new Windows 7 "feature". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by acebmxer
When using SetFSB, the high performance timers within Windows get screwed up so any software that depends on accurate timers, won't work correctly anymore. We had this discussion last month about this problem.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4338
If you use SetFSB on a regular basis, the best solution is to fix Windows 7 as shown in the above post.
This might be a dumb question, but does RealTemp 3.60 work with Sandybridge?
I have a problem that the option for GPU temperature cannot be ticked, only CPU cores ? Am i missing something? 10x in advance.
RealTemp 3.67
http://www.mediafire.com/?n99nq4kn95u6i6a
junki: The latest version should support Sandy Bridge.
lavazza: Your GPU might not be supported by RealTemp.
Most Nvidia GPUs and ATI desktop CPUs are supported but many ATI mobile GPUs as well as the Intel GPUs are not supported.
Im using GTX460 from Asus which is far from not popular. Version 3.60 was working flawlessly with GPU temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
What can i do to fix this ?
10x in advance.
http://store.picbg.net/thumb/00/BB/08205a009cc200bb.png
EDIT: My bad. I forgot to tick "Nvidia". Sorry for bothering you. Regards.
I finally found a program that, like the old old Adaptec DriveLight
showed the harddisk activity on the partitions of all harddisks,
and shows the partition letters as tray icons shown below here in
driveGLEAM along with some temperature from Harddisk Sentinel
(which also has similiar capability but not as intuitive imo)
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3918/trayicons1a.png
I also have RealTemp which showed the trayicons in the right order.
It was however a pickle to get all of these programs trayicons show
in the right order.
It worked for a while if you started them in sequence,
RealTemp
Harddisk Sentiel
driveGLEAM
...but you had to start all other trayapplications before them, like
VLC Media player, portableapps.com, P.Notes etc etc
It was a mess to restart the computer if you wanted all of them
to show up in the correct order. I search and found a program
that can sort the trayicons PS Tray Factory which works quite well
but it doesn´t work with RealTemp as it reorders them itselfs which
makes them fight over the "right" trayicon order so I have to
disable the "automatic sortorder" option.
It also happens with driveGLEAM but it has a enable/disable
button which makes them the latest trayicons which works
great. It also has an option to start the program with a dealy
after 10 to 50 seconds or more when windows starts
(which makes them the last program in the tray and which
shows as the top trayicons)
Is there anyway RealTemp can work together with thirdpart
applications and also have an startup delay option?
Here is the RealTemp dashbord together with some other
transparent programs which works but is not as pretty when
you like transparent programs.
click to ZOOM
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9...0physxf.th.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9...1200physxf.png
Is there anyway to make RealTemp transparent with some
Transparency and Alpablending options such as the CPUMon
has here?