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Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
One question:
What was wrong in that competition ? What we whould change, to make another one better ?
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Nothing wrong. The problem was really too many people got busy to build one... (Hey I had hx, etc made up already but just didn't get to it to finish up customer order)... and it isn't cheap (bit less accessible other than for advanced builder with budget really...) and... lack of prize :P lol.
Not that it really makes much diff on prize department unless it is something like maybe BIG FAT Tank of r23, r14, etc... :p
I think we should just try it out again when time comes :)
In the mean time, since this is over, I need to find time to work on getting another competition ready... the cheap SS competition that was talked about a little over a month ago... :)
I can't wait for the next competition, bring em on Jinu!
i think everyone who built a unit should get that BIG FAT Tank of R23. :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
you want to finance it, jin?
I wanna ask about prizes for each place in that competition, they are still actually ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I heard something about special edition of golden froster :woot:
Hey, any news ?
ya need to contact the moderators LukeXe, i pmed chilly last year.Quote:
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ya got pm ;)
My friends
when we will start another competition ?
Maybe we will do it from january to vacations ? What do you think about this idea ?
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what about a cascade compertition as thats never been done.
maybe go for 1/4hp compressor to make it fun :stick:
the autocascade comps havnt had much luck in the past, i dont think it will change in the future either.
personally a getto single stage comp would be nice also, alot more ppl could enter
Okay... ghetto competition as we have talked about before sounds fun.... In fact, I have some layout of points system I thought of it while back. The real problem more than anything else was the gas acquistion at certain parts of world. (I think R-134a is the gas for this).
Have we resolved this yet?
getto has to be propane in my option, thats what most getto units in the past have used :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
yep propane (R290) is cheaper than R134a (In france for example).
I am sorry, but I can't promote propane at all for quite obvious reason. Otherwise, I will have to get legal advisor involved for this competition and next thing I will hear will be, don't do it.
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Saying that sounds even wores, you are telling me most are building to such a poor quality that the refrigerant is dangerus? I hate to continue to break the news to people but ALL refrigerant is flamible inside a system when mixed with the oil, the whole concept is not to have air inside the system and to not have the system leaking. Small leaks the air to fuel (Any refrigerant oil mix) is the only question, and shot of chopping the reciever in half you will not get a dangerus mix.
If so there should not even be a compitition as the technicle quality is a danger, and thus, the type of gas is moot.
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I think the USA is one of the few countries in which propane isn't allowed yet as a refrigerant, so the legal issue is only for US citizens.
It's not the fact it can be used or not I am talking about Xeon and Unknown. I just can't trust every participants in forum to follow safe practices if such gas is involved. There are few reports of accidents among builders I am aware of as well as some people who have tried. You should know after reading some post on ocforum Xeon... -__-;
Not to mention personally I know at least 2 builders who had unfortunate accident but came out unscathed (only got thrown back with singed hair thank god)
Well this is not in the main forum though this is a compitition with people whom I certainly should hope to have a good concept of how to do things correct, and I can certainly tell you from my less experianced days it is harder then you think to screw up with R-290 then some seem to think.
In the general forum I will agree with you on the R-290 issue to a degree (I how ever will say if they are not competant enough to use it they shouldn't be making systems at all) But here in a more advanced group I should expect every one in this to be of suficient skill that it is a non issue!
R290 problem in my opinion is more a matter of de-build and re-build as it will linger inside tubes even with a careful purging of the propane. This is a nasty suprise to braze up to and certain members who have purged with it have definitly put some in danger.
i think that the fact that propane is readily available will make some of the newer users here try and build systems when they are not fully ready just because they can get their hands on the gas and all of the components. There may be no accidents at all this competition, but people are competetive and will try stupid things to make a name for themselves.
All we need is 1 accident, or death. Then everyone will realize that it wasn't worth it. It's easy to say he shouldn't have been building systems, he didn't know enough, but the competition was there, he could get the parts and the gas.
I vote for r134a. We don't need any accidents at XS
Why not trust people to say what gas they are using, do two classes (maybe r134a and r290?) and just not count gas costs into total unit?
Well, since I do plan to host such competition and make arrangement for prizes through donation or what not, I will play a little dictatorship here. NO PROPANE...
R134a. End of story.
Now real question is I remember people saying they can't get hand on it last time at certain parts of world... speak up now.
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Now we just need Walt for our safety meeting and we can get this off to a good start:toast:
And also what limits as far as compressors, otherwise i think rotarys are going to be a hell of an unfair advantage ;)
R-134a Can be found in the MG Chemicles air duster product knowen as Super 134a or to that effect.
With air dusters you can readily get: R-134a; R-159.
and I gues propylen is banned too since it is flammible, that would exclude R-159 too, So make sure it is just R-134a in the can, thees are all around the world just read the contents.