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Yeah major these are the "blue" sticks with infineon chips. Seems like these sticks are real touchy when it comes to volts as 2.8 was actually holding me back from higher clocks. I just did superpi at 262 2.5-3-3-6 followed by some memtest. However I think I'm at the edge of stability for this mem as 265 won't pass superpi even at 2.5-3-3-8. I'll try 3-3-3-8 tomorrow but for now I'm satisfied.
Cpu-z verification for 262:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=29340
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To my complete dismay after 4 days of testing my X2 4400+ and finding a 100% stable prime and ram tests for 24 hrs I experienced many problems last night in BF2, apparently this game does some type of stress the torture tests don't.
Problems ranged from Punkbuster error in file/memory, to disconnected from servers unexpectedly (was not my ISP I had another PC steady pinging many sites no lost packets)
Then of course there was the occasional boot to desktop. I'm having to back down my speed from the 2.7ghz that was stable 270x10 to 260x10 now with still the same 1.525v it sucks bad any opinions?
I don't think the ram is the issue BUT when I went 280x9 I got the punkbuster file/memory error, so memtest and prime really don't tell all for stability
What bios are you using ? Do you have erratta 123 set to Auto in bios ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
I experienced some flaky stuff with it disabled
Bios is the 623-3 from DFI site, the erratta 123 is disabled because I read it increased performance. I could change to auto if you really think that might help? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
Was going to try different multis tonight and different settings as well but I thought I had 270x10 locked in stable..... It definately was my best bench / 3dmarks05 ram/cpu speed, although both cores weren't 100% stable 24/7 when gaming only 1 core is used and when I stressed either core at 100% it was 24/7 stable at that clock.
I know the ram is much more than capable as you are aware as well. Tried to find a definitive answer on that Erratta 123 but didn't find any real conclusive information either way.
You think I should try that erratta 123 first before anything else?
i would say take your time testing prime and do 8 hours of each type of prime test the small fft blend and that stuff. they test your system in different ways maybe that can help?? i would say the best way to test is just play battlefield 2 because its a pretty fun torture test but that game is kinda buggy so you would never know if its your system or just the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
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Kitchen Measures
Exact same problems here. 275mhz is about as high as I can go superpi32m stable. If I game with BF2 for about 30 minutes at those speeds BF2 literally closes on me in the middle of a game with NO errors at all. I back it back to 270mhz and it runs fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Also, Pentium777, are you running the latest BF2 patch. It cleaned up a bunch of issues, especially the mem leak from the 1.01 patch.
Yes, latest 1.02 patch is installed (needed for most servers anyway) well at least I am not alone in this issue. Are you running with Errata 123 Disabled or Auto? Although I read disabled speeds things up Major said he has some flaky issues with it and he set to Auto and it solved problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DriveEuro
I was getting at first a lot of disconnected from server messages, nothing to do with connectivity, backed down to 2.65 from my 2.7 and it turned into random poof to desktop. However I think I should maybe have the vcore at 1.55 instead? I went from 2.7 (1.525) to 2.65 (1.50) maybe I should try 2.65 again with 1.55v? Running around 50-55'C depends on room temp that's not too hot right? Think 1.55v 24/7 would be safe enough?
Game might be buggy but never had any issues of losing connect or boot to desktop on my other system I think it is testing pretty thoroughly and finding weaknesses :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
I have both of the errata things disabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
1.55v should be fine. I do 1.63v 24/7 and 100% load all day everyday (folding at home).
nice professor, good to see some more mushkis up there. i think i'll try dropping my volts down a bit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor12
i never know what to believe on the dfi board. i set it to 2.7 + .03v but the bios will read 2.75 and the measuring point reads 2.8 so what are the dimms actually getting? is it stepped further down after the vdimm measuring point on the board?(btw thats a general question, i know you have the epox)
anyway, good job, this sunday i think i'll have some time to tweak. i was going to see if i could lower the latency a bit anyway.
btw, did you just get them and from where? i'm wondering if its some of the new sticks as mushkin was out of stock for a couple weeks.
Pentium777 Is your video card still overclocked? If it is try it at defaults. Might want to try 250*11 THe 11 multiplier seems to work better for me. You will lose just a little tiny bit of memory bandwidth but everything else will be the same. I run at 257*11 100% stable in everything. At 270*10 which is 130mhz lower than 257*11, I also get strange errors.
As soon as I experienced those problems I immediately put video card at defaults thinking that was the cause, but it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Do you have Errata 123 disabled or Auto?
11x multi? I could do it I think but would be a high OC for sure, do you think I'd be better leaving 11x and just lowering FSB/RAM to whatever my best CPU OC is, probably 240-250 max at 1.55v
What kind of strange errors at 270x10 (which is what I found WAS stable before real game testing BF2) and the fact you run 257x11 and solves it is strange. Makes me think that CPU definately isn't the cause, is it perhaps the FSB or HTT I guess it is called for AMD being too high?
Let me know what you think would be the best thing to try tonight first. Maybe doing the 11x multi will get me a better OC overall like you are experiencing but on air probably not over 2700
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Originally Posted by pentium777
BF2 has alot of stability problems. I'm running at 2.8GHz, prime95 stable for more than 12 hours, and stable at all other stress tests and benchmarks. The only thing that causes me problems is BF2. I put everything to stock speeds and it still crashes to desktop. I looked all over the internet and it seems that alot of people are having this problem too. That pretty much means to be that it's the game and not my systems stability.
Oh I so didn't want to hear this information. I'd run all stock to ensure that BF2 was perfect :mad: I can tell you though I ran last night at 2.4ghz 267x9 and I didn't have any crashes etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kman79
But.... one big point to make is that all my BF2 gameplay before the X2 was on P4 3.4EE OC'd with 6800U and w/o patch 1.02 and it was flawless never ever a boot from the game. I guess it will take some thorough testing to make sure all is well in BF2 land, because it certainly is one of the biggest reasons I bought an AMD / 7800 GTX combo.
erratta 123 will not effect performance, it simply fixes an issue with the X2 going into a buffer overload error or something like that.
With it dissabled I have problems with programs droping out to windows and error messages that say this program has incountered a problem and needs to be closed.
With it enabled those issues went away so you should try it atleast.
The other erratta 9? I leave disabled, when enabled I get BSOD
Great, I thank you very much on that clarification Major I am sure other people have this question as well especially if they read the "Errata 123 disabling may increase performance on dual core processors" which is why I disabled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
I guess I will try this first with my existing 270x10 then work on seeing if multipliers will solve issue.
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Originally Posted by pentium777
Out of curiously, when you played BF2 at first before any patches came out, did you have problems with the game crashing to desktop or anything? From what I remember, I had no problems with the game before any of the patches.
I just finsihed playing no more than ten minutes ago and I didn't have a crash either, and that was with the OC settings. It's frustrating, sometimes it can go on for hours without a problem, and sometimes no more than 30 minutes and it crashes.
With all the benching and torture tests I've put this computer through, I feel very confident that it's stable. Temps are at 34C CPU and 33 MB at idle, and at 43C CPU and 38C MB on full load during gameplay on BF2, using Asus probe. I think those temps are very respectable for an OCed machine. Cooling is provided by One Panaflo 120mm front intake, and one Panaflo 92mm side intake, exhaust is one Panaflo 120mm exhaust. CPU is cooled with a ridiculous high speed 92mm Delta Fan at over 100CFM, over an XP-90, a bit loud but it works.
Any other torture tests besides Prime95, and SuperPi to run? I've ran loops of 3DMark05 at 15 loops per game test and no problems also. Although frames droped by 1-3 fps due to heat maybe, but it got through it just fine. I mean, running prime95 for over 12 hours and passsing 32M test on SuperPi, and looping 3Dmark05 for 15 tests per game test and passing all that should equate to a stable system right? I've thrown everything I can at this computer and it got through it all, what's left?
All in all, I'm happy with my setup. This was my first ever computer build and I think I got it running well. Definately a good experience for me. So good I wan to build another one utlizing the SLi feature with two 7800GTX. I got a dell card that I can use to pick up two BFG 7800s, but I don't think it's wise to do so right now, I don't want to put myself in a bigger hole in terms of debt.
Getting back on topic. I went for max stable System OC, so I'm only running my Ballistix at 255@2.6V. System is at 2805MHz stable. I know I could run higher on the memory, but I'm limited to 260FSB with max voltage to the CPU of 1.55V. So running the mem higher doesn't benefit me much.
Anyone been able to run higher than 270 FSB with 1.55V prime stable for 12 Hours?
I think my next build would be built around a DFI board, simply cause of higher vcore, but I'm paranoid already at running clost to 1.55V, so who knows.
Ok ready for this guys???
First of all when I switched to 11x multi and 1.55v at 2700 I now can run prime95 no errors dual core..... tested for a couple hours though before was like 10 min and 1 core would error.
Next I tried Errata 123 Auto, well in BF2 I was stuttering very bad. So I then tabbed out and set BF2.exe and the other e~... file to Core 1 only, fixed the stuttering completely. Thinking this might be Errata 123 and just to entertain the idea, I went to bios and disabled it.
Well I just played single and multiplayer for 1 hr straight and no errors and completely smooth as glass without! having to set the affinity to 1 core only..
EQ2 still have to set to one core only though until they fix the issue.
Seems the 11x multi and 246x11 is much much more stable maybe the FSB was just too high at 270? I guess that would be 1080 FSB on a 800 FSB designed board / cpu? anyway of course I will try some 250x11 to see if I can squeeze more out of this chip now but going to game a bit just to make sure it is 100%
Revised BF2 and other games, seems there is some serious issues and I know this is for X2 area but in order to stop the very bad jerkiness I have to make sure that the game processes for BF2 are set to CPU 0 and for EQ2 you can't even play without setting everquest2.exe to CPU 0.
I finished about 4-5 hrs no disconnects, no jerkiness problems at all, before there were many random problems
some weird stuff with the x2s and certain games. i was reading a thread where they were running GTA:SA at like double speed, lol.
Indeed, you have to make sure the executable and in BF2's case the BF2.exe and the e~ temp process it creates are set for one core for affinity, otherwise many issues. EQ2 will crash and burn quickly without it set that way. GTA:SA I have read same thing, still need to reinstall that game, also need to test with LOTR:BFME RTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by rise4310
It really sucks to have to go to task manager and set affinity every time how long has dual core been out!??! few months and no software developers are stepping up and at least patching code to run only 1 core to solve the issues?
Very sad indeed the amount of hours I've spent troubleshooting, last night I was seriously wishing I had bought an FX instead but since I'm 2.7 (246x11) completely stable now prime95 dual cores all day I guess I am happy since it "should" be as fast as a FX55-57, since I am doing 1920x1200 2xAA 8xAF I don't believe I will be CPU bottlenecked anytime soon.
Good to hear you got the issues worked out pentium, at least for now. I've been having trouble getting these sticks of mushkin to do anything above 265 even at cas 3. If I try booting at 270 3-3-3-8 with 2.75 or 2.8 volts I get windows file corruption and other random errors. I have tried lowering the htt but that hasn't helped the situation. Any specific memory settings I might try changing that you think would help? How about raising the chipset voltage?
@ Professor12
chipset voltage has nothing to do with the memory since the controller is on the A64
It's going to be either Vdimm, Tref, or Drive strength that your going to have to tweak to get them any higher.