AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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10-30-2010, 06:16 PM
Nintendork

Cayman PRO/XT in nov:
"Touch me, I'm reality"

GTX580 in nov/dec:
"Wait for me, I'm a dream"
10-30-2010, 06:19 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Cayman PRO/XT in nov:
"Touch me, I'm reality"

GTX580 in nov/dec:
"Wait for me, I'm a dream"

Is there even any pictures of Cayman floating around???
10-30-2010, 06:19 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by highoctane

Is there even any pictures of Cayman floating around???

The PR slides stating Late November, yes
10-30-2010, 06:23 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by zerazax

The PR slides stating Late November, yes

Thats it, so all we have from either is PR at this point, you can feel the luv in the air...
10-30-2010, 06:23 PM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by highoctane

Is there even any pictures of Cayman floating around???

Just because they do leak control really well doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I think both cards will be out before Christmas, if that's what that matters...
10-30-2010, 06:29 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

Just because they do leak control really well doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I think both cards will be out before Christmas, if that's what that matters...

I never tried to make such a claim, I was just trying to get up to speed on what all the reality/imagination pov was about but there's nothing but PR info from both camps, ironic.
10-30-2010, 07:10 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by highoctane

I never tried to make such a claim, I was just trying to get up to speed on what all the reality/imagination pov was about but there's nothing but PR info from both camps, ironic.

Humm I have to call you on that one. There is the planning and execution of the 6870 on amd's side. That after only rumors up to the very last day. This time there are official slides open and motivated claiming Cayman is out in November. I think its a lot more than PR.

Same time it means Nvidia's rumors need to be taken into considerarion as well. The difference is Nvidia remains rumours but amd is as near fact as can be.
10-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Mad Pistol

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Humm I have to call you on that one. There is the planning and execution of the 6870 on amd's side. That after only rumors up to the very last day. This time there are official slides open and motivated claiming Cayman is out in November. I think its a lot more than PR.

Same time it means Nvidia's rumors need to be taken into considerarion as well. The difference is Nvidia remains rumours but amd is as near fact as can be.

This is true.

Remeber, we already have Cayman's little brother, Barts, on the market. On Barts XT, you get near Cypress XT performance at 50-watts less energy consumption. That shows that AMD has room to stretch their legs on Cayman. This information, combined with the information on AMD's briefing slides should tell anyone with half a brain that AMD means business and that Cayman is not just a myth.

I guess we'll see who's right in a few weeks. ;)
10-30-2010, 07:45 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Humm I have to call you on that one. There is the planning and execution of the 6870 on amd's side. That after only rumors up to the very last day. This time there are official slides open and motivated claiming Cayman is out in November. I think its a lot more than PR.

Same time it means Nvidia's rumors need to be taken into considerarion as well. The difference is Nvidia remains rumours but amd is as near fact as can be.

I'm sure they both exist, I have not reason to think otherwise. It's just the semantics that one is more real than the other, its a bit silly.

We've gone from arguing over PR slides to arguing who's PR is more believable but we really don't really have any tangible info about the real deals yet.

Its funny that the less information there is available the more trivial and nit picky the arguments get...
10-30-2010, 07:54 PM
zerazax

It's not really semantics

One is an official slide with a roadmap, and AMD stating Cayman is out late november, go ahead and publish that on your review

The other is from Fudzilla...

Big difference
10-30-2010, 07:57 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by highoctane

I'm sure they both exist, I have not reason to think otherwise. It's just the semantics that one is more real than the other, its a bit silly.

We've gone from arguing over PR slides to arguing who's PR is more believable but we really don't really have any tangible info about the real deals yet.

Its funny that the less information there is available the more trivial and nit picky the arguments get...

so gtx580 is real ??? what proof to you have???

a black gpu cooler ??? how's that for proof??? is it written on it gtx580 at least???

model name in drivers and nvidia's page ... so it must be real ... but they did remove the name shortly afterward right??? so why would they remove the name of something that exist ... ahh yes ... the good ol surprise we got a mid life rebranded kicker product technique .. and all of that info came days before barts launch ... coincidental or not you decide ...

so cayman is more real because we saw lots of slides .. and bart is as real as people on the forum who got one on launch day ...
10-30-2010, 08:06 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by highoctane

I'm sure they both exist, I have not reason to think otherwise. It's just the semantics that one is more real than the other, its a bit silly.

We've gone from arguing over PR slides to arguing who's PR is more believable but we really don't really have any tangible info about the real deals yet.

Its funny that the less information there is available the more trivial and nit picky the arguments get...

I have no doubts gtx 580 will exist at some point. And what performance both it and Cayman will have is irrelevant to my argument. What I was stating is that AMD has been executing its announcements with very little deviation. Nvidia has not made any official annoucements, there have only been rumors of annoucements so far. And previous history does not help its cause when it comes to that.
10-30-2010, 08:28 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I have no doubts gtx 580 will exist at some point. And what performance both it and Cayman will have is irrelevant to my argument. What I was stating is that AMD has been executing its announcements with very little deviation. Nvidia has not made any official annoucements, there have only been rumors of annoucements so far. And previous history does not help its cause when it comes to that.

To be fair though, the only thing late has been fermi cards as of late and earlier generations they have been on time. If we look at the past, g200, g80, g70 and g60 were on time and in the cases of g80 generation, AMD was 6 months compared to NV. And the product delivered from hype (r600) was pretty bad(I think worse than fermi even as it used more power and was alot slower) and AMD still made a pretty good recovery after.
10-30-2010, 08:37 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

To be fair though, the only thing late has been fermi cards as of late and earlier generations they have been on time. If we look at the past, g200, g80, g70 and g60 were on time and in the cases of g80 generation, AMD was 6 months compared to NV. And the product delivered from hype (r600) was pretty bad(I think worse than fermi even as it used more power and was alot slower) and AMD still made a pretty good recovery after.

Which is why I do not discard a 580 at all. Especially if its 384 bit 512 cuda. I did think 512 bit 768 cuda and 128 tmu like some rumors claimed was completely impossible but those rumors seem to have died out.

Its quite feasible for 512 cuda gtx580 max 300 watts to pop up and 15-20% faster than 480 is quite expected after 6 months in the workshop. Lets hope it happens soon!

PS- Nvidias target should be 5970. If they can match or even beat it with one chip at 40nm, then cudos for them really. Fermi is very held back at 40nm.
10-30-2010, 08:49 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

model name in drivers and nvidia's page ... so it must be real ... but they did remove the name shortly afterward right??? so why would they remove the name of something that exist ... ahh yes ... the good ol surprise we got a mid life rebranded kicker product technique .. and all of that info came days before barts launch ... coincidental or not you decide ...

That can also be said as why would they even bother to add a product id if it didn't exist, glass half full or glass half empty mentality.

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I have no doubts gtx 580 will exist at some point. And what performance both it and Cayman will have is irrelevant to my argument. What I was stating is that AMD has been executing its announcements with very little deviation. Nvidia has not made any official annoucements, there have only been rumors of annoucements so far. And previous history does not help its cause when it comes to that.

Its strangely difficult to go between ATI and Nvidia threads and not get drawn into semantics. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, as far as I can tell its pretty much a sure thing cayman will launch(according to the pr) the question now is Nvidia going to ambush the launch(alluded to by the pr).
10-30-2010, 09:43 PM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by highoctane

That can also be said as why would they even bother to add a product id if it didn't exist, glass half full or glass half empty mentality.

Its strangely difficult to go between ATI and Nvidia threads and not get drawn into semantics. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, as far as I can tell its pretty much a sure thing cayman will launch(according to the pr) the question now is Nvidia going to ambush the launch(alluded to by the pr).

This post brings back flashbacks.....of Fermi '09 pre release talks for some reason.
10-30-2010, 11:05 PM
madcho

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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol

I just pray that Tessellation is beefed up enough to be competitive with Nvidia's offerings. As of right now, it's not important. However, it will become important in the near future. Tessellation is the new "shader." It's a novelty that will make games look that much more impressive without a lot of extra work.

I really hope AMD sees it that way. Otherwise, the GTX 580 may win, and nvidia may gouge prices again. I seriously want a big, fat, price war so that we can't make a bad decision on which ever card we choose. I hate it when this market becomes one sided.

Here's the way I see.

First, there were vertex and texture mapping.
Next, we got pixel shaders
Then, we got enhanced lightmaps.
Then, we got self-shadowing characters and advanced lighting.
Then, we got HDR.

And NOW, we're on Tessellation.

So who's going to win this race?

The first thing, and the most important was T&L !!! :up:
10-31-2010, 01:55 AM
hurrdurr

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

What do you guys mean about this Nordichardwa is saying?:

Meh. Nvidia is attempting to do what it failed in 480? And that is "being the fastest single GPU around?" As far as I can recall 480 WAS the fastest single GPU around. It didn't fail on performance. Hell, compared to the AMD offerings it didn't fail on price either.

It failed on power consumption, and it failed hugely. It also failed to be on schedule, and it failed on living up to the hype. The latter two are obviously connected.

Fermi cards' timing has failed so horribly that a great mainstream card they released could keep its spot only for 3 months - why? Because it was overtaken by AMD's NEXT GEN offerings. There is no excuse for this, really.

If this time Nvidia's timing with 580 more or less matches with AMD's timing with Cayman; the card is on par with Cayman on price, performance and power, THEN they will have succeeded.

Also, this is about enthusiast / high end only. Right now Nvidia may not be the way to go at mainstream, but they provide very good and competitive alternatives to AMD, something they achieved with massive price cuts.
11-02-2010, 02:46 PM
Dezmen

omg, nothin new?
11-02-2010, 03:16 PM
Dimitriman

No everyone is joying over the GTX580 the world's first 2d 3d-accelerator card.
11-02-2010, 06:03 PM
zerazax

Not much, although I just caught this in the Xbitslab Review. Emphasis mine

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A next-generation tessellator from AMD will be implemented in the Cayman GPU (Radeon HD 6900). AMD claims it to be three times as fast as the Cypress’ tessellator. We guess AMD’s engineers will focus on increasing the performance of the tessellator proper in the next implementations, possibly on optimizing the hull shaders. We can expect the future architectures, Southern Islands, Hecatonchires, etc., to bring some innovations into the very design of the tessellation pipeline, like what Nvidia offers in its Fermi architecture where each large array of stream processors has a dedicated tessellator for optimal data threading.
11-02-2010, 06:13 PM
stangracin3

my prediction on the GTX 580 is late march early april
11-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Dezmen

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

my prediction on the GTX 580 is late march early april

I thought everybody said that it will come on 9th November...
11-02-2010, 06:31 PM
tbone8ty

no need to get 580. cayman will blow it away

edit: that Xbit lab review on the 6800 series is good, nice find

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...70-hd6850.html
11-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Hey Zeus

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

no need to get 580. cayman will blow it away

I'll believe it when i see it

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