Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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10-31-2010, 07:43 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

Because it's Nvidia.

Awwwwww :buddies:
10-31-2010, 07:44 AM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by cegras

My problem is your disgustingly slimy way of posting where you keep trying to play it neutral, but in reality all you are trying to do is bring Cayman's granularity down to the GTX580's level. To top it off, as if you weren't satisfied with that you keep inundating us with statements meant to obfuscate the information that has already been released about Cayman to try and bring it down to rumour level.

Furthermore, you then keep reminding us to simply stop talking and not discuss anything and wait until benchmarks or more info (about the GTX 580) is out. So, ironically, me telling you not to tell us what to think or do is not the same as what you keep suggesting to us.

Your faux neutral face makes it even harder to stomach.

Glad to see this guy can see through him...
10-31-2010, 08:02 AM
RaZz!

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

Because it's Nvidia.

jhh looks so badass in your avatarpic :D combined with your post it's as if jhh himself said it "cuz we can *YEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWW* *puts on his sunglasses*" :D:ROTF:
10-31-2010, 08:59 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

Because it's Nvidia.

Oh right, how could I forget.
10-31-2010, 11:19 AM
cegras

How much will the release of Cayman and GF110 impact lower end prices? I'm waiting to pickup a 68xx or a GTX 460.
10-31-2010, 12:20 PM
Pantsu

I doubt the mainstream prices will drop since the high end will be priced much higher than 239$ (6870). I'd wager 6950 will be 300$, 6970 400$, and 580 450$. Of course that depends on how they perform, but I don't see them having an effect to mainstream and low end in any case.
10-31-2010, 01:04 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by cegras

How much will the release of Cayman and GF110 impact lower end prices? I'm waiting to pickup a 68xx or a GTX 460.

It might occur naturally and without any interaction with the cayman and gf110, I thought quantities were going to be bad because of what the CEO of AMD said. But we are already seeing sales for the 68xx cards and to me this means either quantities of the 68xx are good or the sales of this generation are not so hot. I think its a combination of both because we never saw sales below MSRP of both cards until many many months after with the 5xxx generation. In canada, you can find a 6850 for 169 dollars which is really surprising because at that price, it is a pretty good deal. The size of cayman(an estimate from the PCB shot) indicates to me that they are going to be in entirely different price arena's so they wouldn't interfere anyways.
10-31-2010, 01:24 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

It might occur naturally and without any interaction with the cayman and gf110, I thought quantities were going to be bad because of what the CEO of AMD said. But we are already seeing sales for the 68xx cards and to me this means either quantities of the 68xx are good or the sales of this generation are not so hot. I think its a combination of both because we never saw sales below MSRP of both cards until many many months after with the 5xxx generation. In canada, you can find a 6850 for 169 dollars which is really surprising because at that price, it is a pretty good deal. The size of cayman(an estimate from the PCB shot) indicates to me that they are going to be in entirely different price arena's so they wouldn't interfere anyways.

"The size of cayman" may tempt AMD to sell it expensive, but the "size" is not going to be the final chapter. The competition would decide the pricing. That's why you find those 68xx on sale now, because nVidia has been pushing by a good price-drop.

Next round will have better pricing in both camps, because nVidia has proven to be serious to fight by all means, both by price-drops and countering AMD's new GPU right at release. This will push down the pricing in bot camps, no matter how "big" chip they got or what's the costs of manufacture it, in my opening.
10-31-2010, 01:35 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

"The size of cayman" may tempt AMD to sell it expensive, but the "size" is not going to be the final chapter. The competition would decide the pricing. That's why you find those 68xx on sale now, because nVidia has been pushing by a good price-drop.

Next round will have better pricing in both camps, because nVidia has proven to be serious to fight by all means, both by price-drops and countering AMD's new GPU right at release. This will push down the pricing in bot camps, no matter how "big" chip they got or what's the costs of manufacture it, in my opening.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Demerjian

Why do they need it? Because they are about to have a horrid quarter, and need good news. The past few weeks have been a whirlwind of backdoor deals and heavy discounts at quarters end, including some previously sacred cows. AMD is kicking them right between the margins, something you will see when Q4 numbers come out.

At the end of the day, are the prices Nvidia is selling them at sustainable?

Yeh sure, it's good for everyone in the short term, but we will pay for it in the end when AMD or Nvidia don't make enough cash to plow some back into R&D as they otherwise would have, so we then end up paying more for less in the future.

In short, you are like a Turkey cheering for Christmas...
10-31-2010, 01:44 PM
Sam_oslo

Don't worry, they will survive. Both has been milking us in last years "peace"-period to live on that for a good while.

We need good competition, with a good fight, otherwise they (both of them) will milk us the moment they get a chance. Competition will prevent overpricing, don't worry they won't go under by selling GPUs at real prices.
10-31-2010, 02:03 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Don't worry, they will survive. Both has been milking us in last years "peace"-period to live on that for a good while.

We need good competition, with a good fight, otherwise they (both of them) will milk us the moment they get a chance. Competition will prevent overpricing, don't worry they won't go under by selling GPUs at real prices.

Really? Like AMD graphics made a poxy $1m last quarter?
And rumours that even Nvidia are about to have a really lousy quarter because of all their fire-sale discounting.

Ultimately Nvidia are financially more stable and have the cash reserves to ride a short term financial **** storm because of the success of G80/G92 and the professional sector, but that will only help Nvidia for so long, until they have to begin cutting back on R&D.

R&D is the life blood of innovation, without it we get inferior products for our cash.
10-31-2010, 02:19 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

Really? Like AMD graphics made a poxy $1m last quarter?
And rumours that even Nvidia are about to have a really lousy quarter because of all their fire-sale discounting.

Ultimately Nvidia are financially more stable and have the cash reserves to ride a short term financial **** storm because of the success of G80/G92 and the professional sector, but that will only help Nvidia for so long, until they have to begin cutting back on R&D.

R&D is the life blood of innovation, without it we get inferior products for our cash.

Some people have been promoting the idea of brand-loyalty to the level of doing charity to these companies. These guys don't do charity for nerds, why should we care about how they make (or don't make) money? they better do R&D if they want to stay in business. If they don't, somebody else will come and fill the gap, for sure.

Anyways, only shareholders and those on the pay-check of these companies should care about these stuff. We, frequent consumers of GPU, need a good competition to get real prices.
10-31-2010, 02:37 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Some people have been promoting the idea of brand-loyalty to the level of doing charity to these companies. These guys don't do charity for nerds, why should we care about how they make (or don't make) money? they better do R&D if they want to stay in business. If they don't, somebody else will come and fill the gap, for sure.

Anyways, only shareholders and those on the pay-check of these companies should care about these stuff. We, frequent consumers of GPU, need a good competition to get real prices.

Not if there isn't any money in it they won't...
10-31-2010, 02:53 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

Not if there isn't any money in it they won't...

Who told you there is no money in GPU-business?.

If one company drops out (because of the lack of R&D) then there is a big opportunity for others. This is how business works, in reality. Just look at the history of GPU-making, many of them has dropped out, but we didn't run out of good GPUs, did we?

Intel (and others too, I guess) are watching these guys closely, and will replace (fill the void/gap), because there is a lot of money to make on GPUs.

These guys better do R&D if they want to stay in business, or others will do it and make money in GPU-business. But i don't think any of them will drop out any time soon, because this a good business and they both are doing a good R&D.
10-31-2010, 03:58 PM
RaV[666]

Well for now every intel attempt at GFX has been a failure so i wouldnt look up to them in that regard.
S3 is pretty much dead, matrox too, powervr makes some cell gpus, maybe them.
All in all, a decent at stable nv/ati fight would be best :)
10-31-2010, 04:06 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Who told you there is no money in GPU-business?.

If one company drops out (because of the lack of R&D) then there is a big opportunity for others. This is how business works, in reality. Just look at the history of GPU-making, many of them has dropped out, but we didn't run out of good GPUs, did we?

Intel (and others too, I guess) are watching these guys closely, and will replace (fill the void/gap), because there is a lot of money to make on GPUs.

These guys better do R&D if they want to stay in business, or others will do it and make money in GPU-business. But i don't think any of them will drop out any time soon, because this a good business and they both are doing a good R&D.

LOLl all your post makes me laugh .....
10-31-2010, 07:58 PM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

LOLl all your post makes me laugh .....

He's Captain Obvious...
10-31-2010, 08:20 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

He's Captain Obvious...

hahahah that one made me lol so hard :D

thanks man

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Originally Posted by RaV[666]

Well for now every intel attempt at GFX has been a failure so i wouldnt look up to them in that regard.
S3 is pretty much dead, matrox too, powervr makes some cell gpus, maybe them.
All in all, a decent at stable nv/ati fight would be best :)

isnt the intel intelectual property for igp usually comes from powervr ???

or i have the name wrong ????
11-01-2010, 01:53 AM
Sam_oslo

Both nVidia and AMD/ATi had been doing good lately, but nobody knows what happens in the future. Both Intel and AMD are going for IGP, and that can be a game-changer for low-end and OEM marked. That's where these guys makes most of their money.

It remain to be seen what kind of IGP we are going to get, but it will probably affect the OEM and low-end marked, and present a challange for nVidia and AMD in coming years.
11-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Both nVidia and AMD/ATi had been doing good lately, but nobody knows what happens in the future. Both Intel and AMD are going for IGP, and that can be a game-changer for low-end and OEM marked. That's where these guys makes most of their money.

It remain to be seen what kind of IGP we are going to get, but it will probably affect the OEM and low-end marked, and present a challange for nVidia and AMD in coming years.

dude your forgetting fusion offering from amd .... its the point why they created it .. to be sold on very small devices that the oem wants ... like notebook and such ....

there goes another one of your post where im laughing my bottom off
11-01-2010, 02:06 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

dude your forgetting fusion offering from amd .... its the point why they created it .. to be sold on very small devices that the oem wants ... like notebook and such ....

there goes another one of your post where im laughing my bottom off

Do you know that IGP means? Then you should know fusion is a IGP too.
I've just said: "Both Intel and AMD are going for IGP, and that can be a game-changer for low-end and OEM marked."

Can you write anything without laughing at yourself? LOL.
11-01-2010, 02:18 AM
Sn0wm@n

Oo re-read what you said .... why would it create a challenge for amd who has the fusion line comming in 2011 ?????
11-01-2010, 02:25 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

Oo re-read what you said .... why would it create a challenge for amd who has the fusion line comming in 2011 ?????

We are talking about dedicated GPUs here.
Upcoming IGPs will present a challenge for both nVidia and AMD's dedicated GPUs that they sell to low-end and OEM marked, we are talking about here.

Sometimes people mean the same thing, but wolf-pack and football-team mentality, tends to create misunderstandings.
11-01-2010, 02:34 AM
kuroikenshi

I think I understand what snow is referring to,

he is saying that Fusion is not a challenge for AMD, since APU will replace low end in a cpu/gpu solution, which is something Nvidia does not have, (I gather its because they do not have a x86 license).
And so the battle might be between intel (lacking Dx11 among other things) and AMD... if manufactures can give a gpu embedded in the cpu to save costs, well I don't really see Nvidia retaining any market share in that particular cluster
11-01-2010, 02:39 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I think I understand what snow is referring to,

he is saying that Fusion is not a challenge for AMD, since APU will replace low end in a cpu/gpu solution, which is something Nvidia does not have, (I gather its because they do not have a x86 license).
And so the battle might be between intel (lacking Dx11 among other things) and AMD... if manufactures can give a gpu embedded in the cpu to save costs, well I don't really see Nvidia retaining any market share in that particular cluster

Yeah, I understood it the same way too later, and that's true too. I was referring to dedicated GPUs, and I guess it was clear enough, because we were talking about R&D and future of dedicated GPUs. But I think we agree on this.

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