AMD cuts to the core with 'Bulldozer' Opterons

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02-23-2010, 03:23 PM
JohnJohn

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

1. its not outside amd
2. im not marketing
3. even the idea that i could get a cam near the system to make any pics is crazy, yet ss...
4. opposing to JF, i heard that bd samples are not like yetis these days. but hes right that everything bd is 2011 for amd
(well, mc was not q1 2010 too so i dont know if they are ahead of schedule or not)

and from now on i wont comment on this again cause i feel a certain string around my neck, dresdenboy just told me to stop doing it too and i always value his comments. so blame him if u want too ;-)

:D Because you didn't post for several days, i was already thinking you were another corpse in the ganges :D

Fair enough, soo, can you say if BD will work in current Am3 boards? :p:
02-23-2010, 03:36 PM
BatteryOperated

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Originally Posted by JohnJohn

can you say if BD will work in current Am3 boards? :p:

That is the $1,000,000 question.

And JF-AMD is going to tell us one way or another. :cord:
02-23-2010, 03:57 PM
zalbard

Wasn't it mentioned already that BD would? As long as VRM is good enough and there is a BIOS update supplied...
02-23-2010, 04:54 PM
AliG

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Wasn't it mentioned already that BD would? As long as VRM is good enough and there is a BIOS update supplied...

Not current boards, I do not believe it was ever stated it would.

We're talking a completely new architecture. Similar to how core 2 and p4 both worked on lga 775, but only p965 and newer actually supported conroe. Should bd fit in AM3, we'll probably need a new chipset, not just a new bios.
02-23-2010, 05:26 PM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by BatteryOperated

That is the $1,000,000 question.

And JF-AMD is going to tell us one way or another. :cord:

JF is a server guy. I can only speak to G34 and C32. Both will support Bulldozer with no modification at all.
02-23-2010, 05:51 PM
haylui

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Originally Posted by AliG

Not current boards, I do not believe it was ever stated it would.

We're talking a completely new architecture. Similar to how core 2 and p4 both worked on lga 775, but only p965 and newer actually supported conroe. Should bd fit in AM3, we'll probably need a new chipset, not just a new bios.

I guess 8 series chipset could support BD;
if in this case, probably, motherboard that could support 140W TDP processor could support BD with BIOS update only
02-23-2010, 05:56 PM
god_43

i believe that it is the am3r2 that will support the BD's.
02-23-2010, 07:48 PM
AliG

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Originally Posted by haylui

I guess 8 series chipset could support BD;
if in this case, probably, motherboard that could support 140W TDP processor could support BD with BIOS update only

Doubtful if BD debuts in 2011. Think about it this way, the 8 series chipset must have been finalized at least 6-8 months ago to be launched around now. More than likely the 9 series (or whatever AMD calls it) will be required
02-23-2010, 09:10 PM
sciontc

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Originally Posted by BatteryOperated

That is the $1,000,000 question.

And JF-AMD is going to tell us one way or another. :cord:

I thought AMD was going to move to a BGA package for dozer, like corei7
02-24-2010, 04:46 AM
=SOC= Admiral

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Originally Posted by AliG

Not current boards, I do not believe it was ever stated it would.

We're talking a completely new architecture. Similar to how core 2 and p4 both worked on lga 775, but only p965 and newer actually supported conroe. Should bd fit in AM3, we'll probably need a new chipset, not just a new bios.

Yes but you are talking Intel who just wants more money and will design a new socket everytime just to make you spend more money so you can use the latest hardware. It was stated it will use the AM3 socket, but whether it will work on our current motherboards or not is another story we have not heard yet.
02-24-2010, 05:01 AM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by =SOC= Admiral

Yes but you are talking Intel who just wants more money and will design a new socket everytime just to make you spend more money so you can use the latest hardware. It was stated it will use the AM3 socket, but whether it will work on our current motherboards or not is another story we have not heard yet.

what good is a compatible socket if you still have to buy another mother board anyways?
02-24-2010, 05:16 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by =SOC= Admiral

Yes but you are talking Intel who just wants more money and will design a new socket everytime just to make you spend more money so you can use the latest hardware. It was stated it will use the AM3 socket, but whether it will work on our current motherboards or not is another story we have not heard yet.

If BD is using AM3 but can't be use on current AM3 board, it would be very very confusing to end users;
To me it is sound like: This AM3 is NOT that AM3!!!!!
02-24-2010, 05:24 AM
kl0012

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Originally Posted by haylui

If BD is using AM3 but can't be use on current AM3 board, it would be very very confusing to end users;
To me it is sound like: This AM3 is NOT that AM3!!!!!

Then it may be named AM3+. Many AM2 boards didn't work with AM2+ cpus. I see no problem here...
02-24-2010, 05:28 AM
=SOC= Admiral

What I would like to see is a socket like the ones on the server boards and intels boards. At least that way we no longer have to worry about bending the blasted pins. Anyone else agree.
02-24-2010, 05:34 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by haylui

If BD is using AM3 but can't be use on current AM3 board, it would be very very confusing to end users;
To me it is sound like: This AM3 is NOT that AM3!!!!!

AM3 is AM3. Bulldozer will work in nowadays socket AM3 mobos. Just a proper BIOS will be required. So it will only depend on the mobo manufacturers.
02-24-2010, 05:36 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

AM3 is AM3. Bulldozer will work in nowadays socket AM3 mobos. Just a proper BIOS will be required. So it will only depend on the mobo manufacturers.

Got a link to that. Would be nice to see it somewhere else as proof.
02-24-2010, 05:41 AM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by Motiv

Got a link to that. Would be nice to see it somewhere else as proof.

At least BD will work in RD890 mobos.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8e6961f4-1.jpg
02-24-2010, 05:51 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Motiv

Got a link to that. Would be nice to see it somewhere else as proof.

Here is the latest official AMD roadmap:

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2009-11/13063_deskroad.png

Is it enough?:)
02-24-2010, 06:11 AM
informal

Bulldozer(Orochi) is AM3 compatible .This is official since last Analyst Day. AM3 compatible means AM3 compatible,no hidden meanings etc. One thing people will need is BIOS support.
02-24-2010, 06:54 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Doubtful if BD debuts in 2011. Think about it this way, the 8 series chipset must have been finalized at least 6-8 months ago to be launched around now. More than likely the 9 series (or whatever AMD calls it) will be required

Bulldozer is supported by the server chipsets (SR5600 series) that are shipping today. You could drop it into the new Magny Cours platforms with a BIOS update.
02-24-2010, 07:24 AM
kl0012

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Bulldozer(Orochi) is AM3 compatible .This is official since last Analyst Day. AM3 compatible means AM3 compatible,no hidden meanings etc. One thing people will need is BIOS support.

I doubt that this is a good thing. Generally this means that we wont see more mem chanels or faster HT...
02-24-2010, 07:36 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by kl0012

I doubt that this is a good thing. Generally this means that we wont see more mem chanels or faster HT...

Exactly because more mem channels and faster HT are not necessary on desktop.

Btw the AM3 socket itself doesn't limit the HT link speed. It could be easily faster with AM3.
02-24-2010, 07:38 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by kl0012

I doubt that this is a good thing. Generally this means that we wont see more mem chanels or faster HT...

Why isn't it a good thing? You won't see sky-high sisoft sadra mem benchmark ? On desktop 3 or more channels are useless even for an 8 core chip as Orochi. 2 channels of DDR3 @ 1600Mhz (jedec standard) is perfect. Why do you need higher HT link speed ?? HyperTransport 3 is MORE than enough for any desktop chip,you won't see any benefit from higher HT link speed since HT speed is decoupled from IMC speed on any modern(post K8/9 design from AMD). I say the compatibility with AM3 socket is a great thing,it keeps the cost for validation and testing down(CPU only level ,since chipset is validated) and partners love this(keeps their RnD costs down). Not to mention it's great for end users too ;).

For 8+ cores AMD will probably go for MCM even on desktop so quadchannel is a given ,but for 2011 Orochi will do just fine.
02-24-2010, 08:36 AM
demonkevy666

JF already said quad channel for BD :/ ??? lol the IMC could use a speed up date to support more mhz on the ram, since 10h is limited to around 1800mhz.

I haven't seen an I7 running 6-6-6-18 1800mhz yet though lol sure they run 2250 and some 2400mhz, it's only 25% more mhz.
02-24-2010, 09:27 AM
FlanK3r

wacth at uncore Phenoms....Phenom 3.2 GHz with 2500/2600MHz uncore have average performance as Phenom 3400MHz and default uncore. Think, Bulldozer will compactible with AMD800 chipset and primaliry for AM3+.

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