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11-25-2007, 05:23 PM
Face

Confirmation Phenom 9700 (2.4GHz) in Q1'08 and Phenom 9600 Black Edition this year.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9397/phenomzx8.jpg

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btw:

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At the press event, the speaker showed slides comparing the power usage of the phenom 9500 versus Athlon 64 X2. He emphasised that phenom 9500 under CnQ 2.0 used only 205W.

The speaker also demonstrated AMD Overdrive and show official benchmarks that Phenom is 2x faster than Athlon64 X2.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4006/ph2qx4.th.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8397/ph3xn2.th.jpg
11-25-2007, 06:36 PM
Epsilon84

Does an unlocked multiplier really matter when the chip in question can barely get 3.0GHz stable at the best of times?
11-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Zytek_Fan

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

Does an unlocked multiplier really matter when the chip in question can barely get 3.0GHz stable at the best of times?

It would matter once it can get over 3.0ghz...
11-25-2007, 07:38 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

Does an unlocked multiplier really matter when the chip in question can barely get 3.0GHz stable at the best of times?

Yes it matters a lot since the NB could be run at below 2.2Ghz clocks and thus people will avoid the "wall" that comes while OCing regular Phenoms(NB seems to have some kind of a freq. wall around 2.25GHz for most parts).
So OCing using multi instead of HTT will give better results.
11-25-2007, 08:04 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by informal

Yes it matters a lot since the NB could be run at below 2.2Ghz clocks and thus people will avoid the "wall" that comes while OCing regular Phenoms(NB seems to have some kind of a freq. wall around 2.25GHz for most parts).
So OCing using multi instead of HTT will give better results.

While this is true, emperical data suggests that the CPU will be the limiter overall ... at 2.4 GHz and 125 W thermal envelop, and 200 MHz more raises that to 140 W... 3.0 GHz will be difficult to achieve I suspect.
11-25-2007, 08:10 PM
JumpingJack

Another trip down memory lane:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03...ona/page1.html

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“Barcelona is as much of event in the x86 world as Opteron was when we launched it,” Rivas said.

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“If I could do something different, I wish we would have immediately done a MCM - two dual cores and call it a quad-core,” said Mario Rivas, an EVP at AMD, during a recent interview in Austin, “because, I guess, the market sucks it up.”

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Sources tell us that the chip is cranking through software at an unreal clip in the labs, beating out AMD’s oft-cited 40 per cent performance gain figure.

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Rivas said the mid-year plan holds, and we’re looking for Barcelona to ship in July.

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“We will have plenty of silicon” Rivas said. “We will make certain that everyone gets their fair share of the pie.”
11-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

lol since when is it forbidden to make more posts?

also if your insist on that, how about check on nn_step?

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 17,066

:rofl:

Beat me to that one! And no matter where or what he's said, it's pro AMD and after the ATI buy-out, pro ATI. Phenom is a miss, not a hit in most folks' opinions plus the numbers speak for themselves.
11-25-2007, 09:24 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

While this is true, emperical data suggests that the CPU will be the limiter overall ... at 2.4 GHz and 125 W thermal envelop, and 200 MHz more raises that to 140 W... 3.0 GHz will be difficult to achieve I suspect.

That's been pointed out to that same poster before;)
11-25-2007, 09:28 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Yes it matters a lot since the NB could be run at below 2.2Ghz clocks and thus people will avoid the "wall" that comes while OCing regular Phenoms(NB seems to have some kind of a freq. wall around 2.25GHz for most parts).
So OCing using multi instead of HTT will give better results.

If it can be overclocked, it will be binned as a higher priced model in the first place. Now you might be able to overclock one or two of the cores higher. You're only fooling yourself if you there will be a lot of headroom otherwise.
11-25-2007, 09:30 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

That's been pointed out to that same poster before;)

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in :)
11-25-2007, 09:30 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

It would matter once it can get over 3.0ghz...

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts:shocked: ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!:rofl:
11-25-2007, 09:31 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in :)

I don't think so.
11-25-2007, 09:31 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts:shocked: ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!:rofl:

I don't think it is practical for AMD or Intel to release a processor under warrantee/spec that must dissipate 150 W to function, most of the even best cooling solutions (air not water) can do maybe 170 W under ambient conditions.
11-25-2007, 09:49 PM
Zytek_Fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts:shocked: ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!:rofl:

:rofl: The Phenom BBQ :rofl:
11-25-2007, 11:25 PM
madcho

6000+ can do 3.6ghz and it's the same wattage.

3Ghz will be easy with the B3 i think ;)
11-25-2007, 11:29 PM
Brother Esau

I don't know guys my gut instinct says that this will turn around in a fairly short time.
The candle is definitely burning under their ass now that they are in the spotlight and people especially stock holders aren't gonna stick around for too much longer if they don't act and act fast!:yepp:
11-25-2007, 11:45 PM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts:shocked: ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!:rofl:

Make that 180-200w for 3GHz.
Power increase linearly with frequency and with the square of voltage.
If running at 2.6Ghz requires 140w , you'd need 161w to make for the frequency increase only.
11-25-2007, 11:49 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

lol since when is it forbidden to make more posts?

also if your insist on that, how about check on nn_step?

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 17,066

:rofl:

speak of the devil and he shalt appear :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Beat me to that one! And no matter where or what he's said, it's pro AMD and after the ATI buy-out, pro ATI. Phenom is a miss, not a hit in most folks' opinions plus the numbers speak for themselves.

actually I prefer what performs best in my specialized field
11-25-2007, 11:57 PM
Brother Esau

You're pretty much a AMD guy for the most part right nn? I know you fancy AMD thats for sure......P.S.....whats new with you and how was you're Thanksgiving?:)
11-26-2007, 12:09 AM
mAJORD

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

Holy crap... I entered the thread to read up on the reviews and user experiences but instead I got caught in an adult kindergarten thread..

You expected anything better around here in trolltown? :confused:
11-26-2007, 01:04 AM
NightCrawler™

I did actually... guess I was wrong..
11-26-2007, 02:54 AM
Jupiler

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Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss

XS was never better descirbed. :up:

If you don't like it here, why bother coming here in the first place?

As for the others :
Stop the thread crapping and name calling and stick to the facts.
We don't want another AMD vs Intel war going on here again.
You guys know how topics like those end, so keep it clean.
Thx.
11-26-2007, 03:48 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in :)

You are aware of 6400+?You are aware of it's TDP?And you are aware of OCs achieved with it?
Right.Sinked in badly.
11-26-2007, 04:28 AM
Epsilon84

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Originally Posted by informal

You are aware of 6400+?You are aware of it's TDP?And you are aware of OCs achieved with it?
Right.Sinked in badly.

The X2 6400+ doesn't have much headroom on air - unless you consider a 10% overclock a glowing example of 'high TDP overclocking'...

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