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With just a BIOS update. Same thing for Penryn, though with Penryn, according to some, only to recognize the chip. According to Anandtech, current AMD boards require heavy tweaking to work. Why would mobo makers be inclined to heavily tweak their old stuff for Barcelona but not just update for Penryn?
red, "heavy bios patches" that you mention are needed since mobo manufacturers got ES not retail CPUs and these are not representatives of final K10 performance.They are there to help them write correct microcodes.And these early samples need bios patches to work correctly.Those are the ones Anand "obtained".And i'm sure Anand will write an "article" about them as soon as he gets mobo and working BIOS for the eng. samples.Only problem will be that these won't be near final scores we will see from K10 once it ships.
You are implying that Anandtech benches will rush out ala DailyTech. I don't think so. He already warned us of bad initial results meaning that current stuff works, just really badly and seems to want to do whatever to have the best results as possible. It is very fun to champion Anandtech as AMD fudder, very fashionable, please tell me what is fud about informing us?
FLG, and some other guys are talking about ES/not retail Penryn (I assume) requiring simple BIOS updates and I don't get any sense of "heavy BIOS tweaking", only tweak for recognition. So question to you, do you think mobo makers be more inclined to pity current AM2 users and make BIOS updates for K10 and lose sales on K10 mobos to appease AMD's previous promises, more so than they will for Penryn?
red
All current AM2/SocketF platforms are compatible with K10 with just BIOS update. And performance of Barcelona is really good compared to quad-core Xeon clock for clock.
There is still a chance a motherboard or more that wont be compatible. Remember the VIA chipset and X2s? I was one of those owners :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Can you elaborate on the performance part?
still sounds like ages b4 we see anything in the shops :yawn:
is phenom gonna be b4, after, or simultaneous release with penryn..any thoughts?
any advance on christmas '07 /Q1 '08?
one article i just read said DDR3 would be available in more quantity at Q407/Q108 time.
still leaves almost 6 months for AMD to sort out their steppings/microcode/whatever they are doing
Nothing drastic should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Sorry I cant share more info.
What problem are you speaking of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I have Via Mobos and they work just fine with Dual core Procs
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...603042038.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
K8T890 dont.
So the initial batch of a Single Chipset class had a problem that was fixed later... It isn't a big deal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
But it does mean that not all old mobos can be expected to just work. And then there were some boards that never got the BIOS update either. Plenty of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
just like not all s775 mobos support Conroe.. Big dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Idd :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Barcelona is coming next week, as AMD said :D
source
:woot: :bday2:
don't listen bad BS guy's, it's BS. AMD don't lie :up:
SERVER chips man
server chips
Date of article: April 15, 2003 :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
As for AMD don't lie..... so the words coming out of Henri Richards mouth aren't lies?
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Originally Posted by madcho
And it's not even about Barcelona :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by XeRo
Pathetic really how someone can twist reality to make it fit his dreams.
LOL, that might be a new record. :rofl:
Lets just relax and see when it comes. It wont be soon, thats for sure.
In SPEC_rate ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Not quite. He's merely reporting (while not providing citation) Charlie/Groo's back-down from his 2.9GHz story, posted in the forums on aces.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
Basically, Charlie is now claiming that *power* usage would allow for 2.8GHz eventually within a reasonable TDP, but there are other issues besides power hampering frequency.
Even the Fuad story says 2.4GHz at launch, and they hope to make it faster later.
And Fuad says that launch is now Q4.
But given Fraud's track-record, I wouldn't believe either story based on him alone.
You do realize that Dailytech was spun off from Anandtech not too long ago right? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by red
You do realize that DailyTech is as much Anandtech as Myspace is to Murdoch :rolleyes: So what's your problem with either, anyway?
http://scientiasblog.blogspot.com/20...-of-storm.html
Probably the most accurate view of the K10 state.
Well at least refreshing, after one week where it went from 2.4ghz only in Q2 to 2.6ghz in Q1 to 2.4Ghz at launch but only because AMD don't need more as the chip clock above 3ghz.
Priceless.