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[QUOTE=serialk11r;2116995 Perhaps this is what's going on?[/QUOTE]
??? im actually worried about this picture...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0583.jpg
i see chipping.... im gonna have to re examine the block later, as for now, gotta goto church for easter.
I can't say anything about the chipping pointed out. But if you're worried about the plating on the threading wearing off, perhaps if we all used a bunch of teflon tape on the barbs, it'd seal it away from interacting with the liquid in the loop
Looks can be deceiving, I would wait for proof of an issue before drawing any conclusions. Sometimes we judge and convict someone or something without the proof to justify it. JMO
Surely for the die to come of that easily, it has to be a defect?
Is this just a problem for this guys particualr unit or is it a general problem?
I don't think it's acceptable to pass it as "it's just the die coming off" because the whole point in coolant is to have little additives as possible.
Please respond gabe, or anyone else who has the block and noticed a problem or not noticed. I'm up in the morning and you Americans should be posting away as I sleep. Then a drive to ChilledPC to drop off my case and maybe pick up a GTX.
which is why i waited for so long. AS i said, i was in consistant pms' with iany, mcoffy, and nikhsub.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
They had these pictures roughly 4 hours b4 i posted them up. It was only because of mcoffy's concerns that i sliped the concern out earily. I wanted to wait for gabe to reply about the dye/paint b4 i posted it. Im glad i did.
However, i need to re-exam that block top, and check to see if it is indeed a chip. or just the weird picture angle.
and @ mcoffy:
im a dtek whore for now, like you. Until i decide to slap a MCW 6500T. :rolleyes:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0588.jpg
incase your wondering.... my temps are higher. 24 on idle, about 43 load.... Yea i miss my apogeeGTX. :T
But the bowing isnt worth it, cuz it scewed my NB mount. And i am not pulling all that apart again, to drop in the gtx for 2C difference.
I heard from NoL that MCW6500 has an aluminum top as well... :(
I see in the pics the mounting screws for the FuZion are quite thick and have brass hex-nuts on. The ones that came with mine aren't anything like that: they're thin, black, and have matching black thumb-nuts.
Did you replace your mounting screws, or are those the ones from the Apogee?
My Apogee mounting kit doesn't look like that either: it has plain zinc-plated screws and black hex-nuts with caps on.
It's been on the website since it was launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
If the entire internal surface was to wear off, and since we are looking at a die coat thickness of ~3 micron => 3 x 3.93 x 0.00001 x surface of ~2 x 2 = you are looking at roughly 0.0004 cubic inches of die or 0.005ml, or 0.005ccQuote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Also knowing that 1 drop of water is 0.02ml (or cc's) =>
IF the entire internal coat of die was to disolve into the coolant, we are looking at the equivalent of 1/4 of a drop of a coloring die.
Anyone can tell me how much coloring die we have in the average 2 Oz of Pentosin or Zerex? On a limb, I'd say ~ 0.5 cc ? Tha'ts about 25 drops (conservative), or 100 times more than what we are looking at now.
NaeKuh, it seems that the nickel plating isn't coming off yet, so you're GTX might be fine...the chips coming off, well there isn't a new metal exposed that I can see...damn I wish I had a camera as good as yours :D My only camera is a webcam :(
BTW ppl, its spelled D-Y-E :p:
ahahahaha you digg my brass nuts huh? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fossil
Well i bought those at osh. To match the DD680i fastener.
Also that mounting kit came off my original crapogee packet. I think they were the U2 converter screws. Not too sure. I told you i have around 5 blocks, and i rarely will use its stock mounting. I like thick bolts. Makes me feel better that there mounted more firmly.
I would totally dig a brass top for the GTX. Call it the Apogee Ultra? Thats how NVidia seems to go.. :P
That be my other toy. Cannon Powershot SD600. i highly recomend it to everyone. Even my mom can take clean pics with it. Totally girl friendly :PQuote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
Im not married so all the toys belong to me.... As of now.. :D
what's the purpose of the dye especially since its on the inside? I mean what purpose does it serve? Certainly its not for tarnish or oxidation prevention since nickel plating doesn't tarnish and such. I mean I doubt anyone would care how colorful or pretty the inside looks like as long as it isn't rotting.
We already have a Delrin top: it's the Apogee GT. As to its performance, well do the Math: Naekuh himself has verified his numbers up and now down versus the competition, and we have verified that the GT is only ~1C off the GTX at 100Watts and 1.5GPM. So it clearly tells you were the GT is located performance wise compared to the competition; it's made of Delrin, and it's average street price is $10 to $15 less than competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
What is most distressing to me is the fact that people in this forum do not trust our data. Yet, this data always end up being verified over time, despite the relentless efforts of the anti-swiftech crowd. I could see not trusting the new kid on the block, but we have been in business for 7 years, and published professional data for what? close to 5 years now? If our numbers were skewed, people would know it after so much time. The only thing we don't publish is competitive data, which doesn't mean that we don't conduct competitive testing in-house. We simply chose not to create controversy by publishing it. So we know were our blocks are on the performance curve, at the tenth of the degree Celsius, and let's just say that we feel very comfortable about it. I also think that the backplate we are about to release will indeed bring both the GT and the GTX a mounting repeatability that will definitely allow all users to exploit the true potential of these blocks.
Back to the GTX and the plating issue, we made a mistake several years ago with anodized blocks. But everybody learns from their mistakes. I know we have, and as a result I am completely confident with the process that we are using now. The fact that you and a few others don't feel comfortable with it is a result of bad past experiences, and I understand it. But progress is made precisely by making mistakes, learning from them, and growing from there. Those who remain stuck in the old ways do not grow: they stagnate and end up falling behind the pace of technology.
Frankly the chances of corrosion in these blocks versus say the chances of machined acrylic tops cracking are thousands to 1. Yet, you guys buy acrylic top blocks (one piece VGA blocks come to mind) like mad. Doesn't matter that theyr'e being recalled. Doesn't matter that some blocks don't come with oring grooves and users have to JB Weld the fittings.. But when Swiftech tells you that the Storm is outdated, or that we use state-of-the-art plating, you chose not to believe it. Fine, what can I say. Just remember one thing if any: WE gave water-block base bowing to the world, not a mere artifact resulting from a manufacturing process, but a conscious decision that we made to incorporate this technology in our offerings based on the knowledge developped from testing. Is bowing the way we do it now the end of the line? Not by a long shot. Right now, it indicates a certain road to follow: hydraulic performance is reaching a plateau, and work needs to be done on other aspects.
The fact that a few of you are putting pressure on us to make a Delrin top (forget brass) for this block is one thing. And maybe we will in the future.. after all if it can sell a few hundred more water-blocks, why would I be against it? But the objective reality is simple: there is absolutely nothing wrong with the current process that we use to plate the GTX, period.
The housings are dipped in the die entirely. The hole housing is coated with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
yeah i plan on putting a pelt under it , can i do that ??
It's not that I distrust you or your data personally. It is that I work in the industry as a QA superviser and I do not want to take the chance in my rig. There are too many other factors in play to add even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Also I do not use acrylic blocks, I do not use full cover VGA blocks, I do not JB weld anything. If I have to go to that extent with a product it gets sent back. And on that note I can say I have not had anything from swiftech that extreme which I am thankful for.
Also I will not touch bowing with a 10ft pole. I felt uncomfortable with the bow caused by the stock Intel heatsink on my Kentsfield and was quick to put a thermalright backplate on my D-Tek.
All I am asking is that you make a flagship block that looks just as good and performs as well as the Apogee GTX but does not have any controversal materials in it. You say that if you want Delrin then go with the GT... well if that were my choice I would choose the D-Tek fuzion... which I did. But I do like the looks and performance gain of the GTX and would have purchased it if it werent for the aluminum.
So you see Gabe... you do have more money to make. Cause I aint buying it until there are no dye's coming off (yes it wont affect anything but it is the principal of the thing. If I spend that much money on a block it darn well be perfect and have nothing coming off of it) and there is no more of this nonsense and plating aluminum.
EDIT: And your last sentence really concerns me as a consumer. If you stop caring about what we think and only care about your data...
Well, as you read I was asking the questions to go pick up the block today when I drop off my PC-343B to the powder coaters.
Yet, I don't use coolant or any additives in my loop - Just biocide. I don't personally think it's acceptable for dye to come off as it just to me, seems like it shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Enjoy your block guys :)
Bun Bun, if you're desperate and gabe doesn't want to release a plastic or brass top for it, you still have option #3, get a top machined yourself, made from delrin and with the barbs at the corners ;) Lets hope someone else gives everyone option #3 for us, because I think this thread is going to scare a LOT of people off...sorry gabe...I personally wouldn't mind but others do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bun-Bun
Just don't look at me for that one... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
If I was >18 I would've done it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra