Back In Black: NVIDIA 680iSLI & 8800gtX

Sorry SOLDNER-MOFO64, but you are wrong on two accounts.

The first is that you say that you need lots of $$$ to bench at the very top. That's wrong for a start, although parts cost this is quite a cheap pastime compared to a lot of others. How about modding cars for instance, that can run money a lot quicker. I do kiting/buggying and yet I found I spent nearly £2000 in the last year and I do not even compete. Rather than saying it costs a lot to compete it is more accurate to say that a lot of people do not have that sort of money or wish to spend it on other things, but saying you need a lot of money per se is wrong.

Now considering that it does not cost a lot of money and that most people can easily get £5000 on credit cards to pay for it more than easily how come there is not a mad stampede up to the top ? Because it takes dedication, time and effort and the willpower to get there. It means taking the hobby to the next level, a level that most people are not prepared to push to ( even though it is seemingly easy nowadays according to you, forgetting that people now have to fabricate pots or cascades to get the temps ;) ).

That's the reason why not everyone is up there, not money, that is easy to get, it is the dedication and willpower and that is not so easy to come by in 99 people out of 100.

The money $$$ argument is just a red herring....... people were using it when we moved off Peltier coolers and water all those years ago and they are still using it today and it is still wrong....

Regards

Andy

Why would anyone with "normal gear" visit this website?

zakelwe
many people do not even have the amount of money that you do ;)

and then - when you got the $$$ you start thinking whether you need it or not.
What you lose: friends, tons of cash, sleepless nights
What you get: record that will be beaten in a couple of days

Personally I can afford to go RIGHT NOW and buy 8800GTX SLI and 680i SLi (if I can find them for sale, obviously), get X6800ES and a Mousepot from a friend, steel a 100Liter dewar from LU ... but what for do I need it ?

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Originally Posted by TaPaKaH

zakelwe
many people do not even have the amount of money that you do ;)

and then - when you got the $$$ you start thinking whether you need it or not.
What you lose: friends, tons of cash, sleepless nights
What you get: record that will be beaten in a couple of days

Personally I can afford to go RIGHT NOW and buy 8800GTX SLI and 680i SLi (if I can find them for sale, obviously), get X6800ES and a Mousepot from a friend, steel a 100Liter dewar from LU ... but what for do I need it ?

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That's whole point, many people don't have the money but then again a lot of people do not even have the money to buy a PC in the world .. so where does the arguement stop ? Name me any hobby which does not cost any money?

Your second paragraph sums up that as well of course what I was trying to get at. It's more to do with how serious you are than how much money you have.

Most of us just dabble and are content with that, the people at the top are driven.

Regards

Andy

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Originally Posted by zakelwe

Name me any hobby which does not cost any money?

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i can think of a few :D heheh

1- Credit to whom deserves it. Benching for the top is not only a matter of money.

2- On the other hand without money/sponsor you cannot bench for the top

3- Therefore you must have both: money/sponsor and skills

4- In equal conditions there are at least 20/30 people in the oc international community capable of reaching top results...

5- When someone reaches a milestone nowadays, usually it´s because he gets access to the proper HW firstly....

6- Another important factor these days is the possibility of hand picked material, cause of cold bug...

7- For those who say that money is all... please try to control 3 LN2 containers with cold bugged hw,... than you understand. Not mentioning insulation skills, volt modding, etc...

Glad that some people has the chance of getting all this hardware and cooling and share the results with us. I wish I was one of them...

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However if you feel truly that I can't match the LEGEND that is KINGPIN.....send me 2x 8800GTX's (second hand if neccesary), a 680i mobo and a KENTFIELD with a dewar of LN2 and we'll see how close I can get ok?

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the key word here is close ...

I agree with ojdr2001 - it`s a combination of money, willingness to spend this money and skill that takes you to be a "WR legend"

2 pages with this:( ...Its not what KP as an OP want this thread to go.

Pls. respect.

If you guys can prove what you said then go benchs with what you have and try to beat it. Plain and simple.

Like Zakelwe said....3D is better than 2d words

Didnt somebody Crush alot of 3d records in this thread??? I cant seem to find them amongst the bickering.

For the 1st time on Page 17, Congrats KingPin. Most excellent display of whatever it is you need to rule the ORB as such ;) :up:

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Okay, for arguments sake your right. Now.....explain the SKILL part to me and give me a breakdown of what ACTIONS he took that someone without his SKILL wouldn't manage? I can buy all the parts.....and flood them with LN2....so what else eludes me that is incorporated in KP's "SKILL"?

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hmm i believe tweaks separate KP from others, there are a few that have that edge in performance that comes from no $$$$$. (OPB,Pedro, OPP, Stoolman, Kinc, Team Japan in super pi)

but i think similar to you in many things

I hate myself for deciding to participate in this pointless "battle" concerning the skills involved in Xtreme Overclocking.
So I'll keep this post short 'n' clear

Soldner, skills are quite involved in Xtreme OCing either you like it or not.
You think that buying the parts, setting them up on the bench, insulating 'em, powering up, finding max clocks is all ?
Not even close dude.
First of all, you think ( lets say ) that you found the max benchable clocks for your CPU [ par example ].
But then, there comes a more "hardcore" guy, with skills 'n' knowledge in electronics, and finds a "pretty neat" mod which allows him to clock the CPU past you.
Bang, game over.

Think this is impossible ?
Get real, it has happened before ( 'recent' hint "Dothan" ).

Let's say that won't happen this time.
You decide to participate in the SuperPi 1M/32M battle.
You are familiar with lots of tweaks, and you get a decent score.
But then again, another guy, who spent a lot of time "bugging" with Windows, and extra software, using 1-2 tweaks that you and nobody else use [ because he found them ].
Bang, game over again.

Can give you a bunch of similar or non-similar examples, but this is kinda simplified again.

Already considered that you can control the LN2 on 3 pots, and tweaking your RAM to the max.

Anyways, if you think that you're that good ( or not, lets don't make it seem like a personal situation ), lets say that skill ain't a factor on overclocking.
Now, we set up a rig, and have 10 people benchmarking on 3D Mark2001 & SuperPi 32M on it.
Are you sure that you're going to score the same or even close to the top guy ?

Soldner just stop it:) All your 12 posts here in XS seems (just) to start a flame war.

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Controlling LN2 on three pots? You consider that HARD? Then no wonder you find scoring an 0.065 of a second drop in Pi 1M makes you UBER!!

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You`ve just proved you know nothing.

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Controlling LN2 on three pots? You consider that HARD? Then no wonder you find scoring an 0.065 of a second drop in Pi 1M makes you UBER!

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You're a Joker right?....Controling 3 x LN2 pots one to have -132*C, the other - 67*C and the third -98*C it's easy?.....You're deffinatelly a joker.....:D

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Originally Posted by hipro5

You're a Joker right?....Controling 3 x LN2 pots one to have -132*C, the other - 67*C and the third -98*C it's easy?.....You're deffinatelly a joker.....:D

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this is one thing i haven't figured out, how tha hell he does that!?!

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

You've just proven your INTELLIGENCE you speak of :p:

The proper pronunciation would be PROVEN. Since your a WEEGY though I'll let it slide ;)

To be honest your probably right about one thing........the controlled pouring of the LN2 would probably be the hardest aspect of what KP has achieved.



I ain't flaming anyone...........I am debating and explaining my reasoning behind my post where I agreed with another poster.

Am I lying......have I been maliciously calling anyone? Nope

Seems some of you guys on this forum don't like to be questioned.

I'm right...simple....you can easily prove me wrong by matching my hardware and eclipsing my scores with your SKILL ;)

Now......may the ass-licking commence :p:

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If your didn't consider your other posts as offending & flame-war starters, then this one is.

I read a lot of big words, but nothing more than that.

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

You've just proven your INTELLIGENCE you speak of :p:

The proper pronunciation would be PROVEN. Since your a WEEGY though I'll let it slide ;)

To be honest your probably right about one thing........the controlled pouring of the LN2 would probably be the hardest aspect of what KP has achieved.



I ain't flaming anyone...........I am debating and explaining my reasoning behind my post where I agreed with another poster.

Am I lying......have I been maliciously calling anyone? Nope

Seems some of you guys on this forum don't like to be questioned.

I'm right...simple....you can easily prove me wrong by matching my hardware and eclipsing my scores with your SKILL ;)

Now......may the ass-licking commence :p:

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... noob :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

You've just proven your INTELLIGENCE you speak of :p:

The proper pronunciation would be PROVEN. Since your a WEEGY though I'll let it slide ;)

To be honest your probably right about one thing........the controlled pouring of the LN2 would probably be the hardest aspect of what KP has achieved.



I ain't flaming anyone...........I am debating and explaining my reasoning behind my post where I agreed with another poster.

Am I lying......have I been maliciously calling anyone? Nope

Seems some of you guys on this forum don't like to be questioned.

I'm right...simple....you can easily prove me wrong by matching my hardware and eclipsing my scores with your SKILL ;)

Now......may the ass-licking commence :p:

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What setup are you running 3dmark01 on can i ask?

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Originally Posted by SIOUX

What setup are you running 3dmark01 on can i ask?

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+1
i wanna know too :D

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

I never said it was easy, but it certainly isn't hard. 55yr old women pour LN2 and so do 15yr old kids.....I'm sorry but if you find it challenging then your obviously challenged, mentally.

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Firstly play with "controled" LN2 and then you can speak.....Simple as that!......:D
You can't have opinion with something you haven't even tested before......
It's like you say that you have f(l)ucked Kelly Min. to your friends - BUT with your hand - ....:D

why do you all degrade yourselfs and talk to that SOLDNER-MOFO64-guy

I quit.......

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Okay then, so my posts are valid then since I've handled controlled LN2......there are many uses for LN2 remember........not least of all FOOD STORAGE.....perhaps if you ask people where they work BEFORE presuming they haven't got a clue what they're on about you wouldn't look such a fool :p:

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So you used some LN2 a couple times to keep some meet and veggies cool. That makes you qualified to lecture the world's best overclockers on using LN2 to cool computers? :confused:

Thanks for the great laugh. The fool is you.

Good Bye Soldner:)
And good luck:toast:

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

I never said it was easy, but it certainly isn't hard. 55yr old women pour LN2 and so do 15yr old kids.....I'm sorry but if you find it challenging then your obviously challenged, mentally.

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I have NEVER seen benching with LN2 in real life but it MUST be hard to control the temps in 3 pots. Keeping them a degree or two up and down in 3 pots HAS to be VERY hard. You have to pour the right amount of LN2 at the right time. Miss that, the temperature will rise and that won't be good. Pour too much, coldbug strikes, everything goes up in a reboot (the scores i mean).