and the last of the first dewar, here is an updated 4Ghz time
http://i.imgur.com/bKXcF5o.png
Saving the last bit for some PSC.
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and the last of the first dewar, here is an updated 4Ghz time
http://i.imgur.com/bKXcF5o.png
Saving the last bit for some PSC.
Nice work loud :up:
L0ud i meant Vdimm. If my BBSEs aren't stable at Vdimm over 1.84 on air, LN2 could increase possible Vdimm :confused:
Why not? Maybe ICs or PCB cannot handle higher vdimm on air, on cold this could be different - remember that most PSC for example do not scale above 1,9-1,95v on air and easily do 2,15v on cold :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaJ0r
Thanks but not scale it's little bit different. My system do reboot if I set more than 1.84V Vdimm.Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
So Ive been really wanting to get my memory's colder because @-105 just not enough,I know they have so much more to give if I could get them colder(or did have :shakes: )Any how i decided to take of the heatsinks of on my two best dims out of a 6x2gb kit(2000 cl6 pi) to get them colder,well this is the first time Ive done this , I didn't use a hair dryer that I now know I should have.The good news is I still have few more G skill Pis.
I guess I need another hug Splave
Bull
:shakes:
http://s15.postimg.org/9motdtf8b/DSCN7334.jpg
Few more kits
http://s7.postimg.org/td5f4ody3/DSCN7330.jpg
Having these ready to have a look, which XPSC series ICs were used on the dead PIS?
@major - obviously cold enhances voltage tolerance on BBSE and PSC... so what on air doesn?t boot at 1,84 might work at -150? on cold at 2V. As long as it is no imc problem you might well give it a try
I know how you feel, not that long ago I also had a 2000C6 stick killed in a similar manner ... now I'm too scared to pull the HS off PIS :D
Hey mate I cant read nothing on them,will try clean them up to see if it helps,and sorry they are PID 2000mhz cl6 or wereQuote:
Originally Posted by websmile
Yeah I don't think I will try to do this again,as you know how hard it is to find good pi now.They were from a 3x2Gb kit,i had 2 kits so 6x2gb and those 2 where from the better triple kit.we live and learn :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaPaKaH
Have you tried 2000mhz cl6 PID Sam?
My 2200 c7s do this although its psc, but is fine on cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaJ0r
L0ud, glad to see the avantiums did not disappoint
Hey man I use 1.055v imc on 4x2gb and 2x2gbQuote:
Originally Posted by Splave
Sorry to hear about your PID sticks, bullant.
I'll make an update next week, too busy over the weekend.
Thank mate ^
http://i.imgur.com/PRy0vBa.jpg
trying these cold now, dont seem great on air but lately that means win cold :P
Ohh crap bull that is not good:(
You should have seen how hard the 2300 c'8 heat spreaders were, I am talking I hit them with the heat gun til they were so hot you could barely touch them and they still were a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to get off, GSkill must be mixing some epoxy in there for good measure:p
The good thing is you have multiple other dimms, and if you do remove the heat spreader be sure to use a heat gun and get them zorched before trying.
The set of 2200 RipX did not like over 1.9v on air and they clocked much higher clock wise than the Avantiums, which loved voltage. Do your dimms run warm? I would say try them anyways:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaJ0r
avantium strikes again, these sticks fail 2400 8-10-7-22-78 1.92v ;)
http://i.imgur.com/MLizsdF.jpg
Splave - 6:16:266 - 46x108 - 1304MHz - 7-9-6-18-64-1 - ASROCK OC Formula - Avantium 2133c9 2x2gb/BBSE - 2.1v - CPU SS @ -50c Mem LN2 @ -150c
Had to cut it short, try it again soon :) should get there on a lucky run and trfc 60 IMO
Splave awesome result!
P.S. I've never heard about this brand of memory - Avantium. Maybe they used super-puper handpiked LN2 chips Allen edition :D
Awesome!!
As Aristidis did his BBSE result with 7-9-6-18 i thought this could be the best combo if you have sticks that could do the job. If you have 4 of them and an IMC that can handle it (tightened timings with BBSE x4 push the imc a lot more than PSC) you could "easily" do the magic 15.
I've heard of Avantium for the first time in 2008, but I only know about four of their sticks (combined to either dual or triple kits). All of them were part of their Leopard Series:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaJ0r
1GB/2GB Samsung HCF0 rated 2000 9-9-9-24 @ 1.9V (1st rev) / 1.65V (2nd rev)
2GB Elpida Hyper rated 1866 7-8-7-20 @ 1.65V (not entirely sure about specs)
2GB Elpida BBSE rated 2000 9-9-9-24 @ 1.65V (AED34G2000HC9TC)
2GB Elpida BBSE rated 2133 9-9-9-24 @ 1.65V (AED34G2133HC9DC)
Splave, were did you find those sticks? Did they come with a heatspreader or just naked sticks?
Came naked, from a friend :)
Nice work Splave,I can see a lot of us going at this 32M stuff for years to come
I see, must be a great friend! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
I've updated the first post, great work guys. I've never seen so much action in the Top 10.
All hail the new 32M king, bullant! :up:
thanks for your hard work don_dan, and congrats to the bull!
Never have I found an Ivy cpu /board that could run (even boot) 4 dimms of BBSE at even the air template of 8-11-7-22 at 2600 as it is very hard on the IMC, but you are correct that setup would be the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by angoholic
Pretty crazy to think the cut off for top 10 is 16:16:5xx:shocked:
So as well all know it is getting closer and closer to June and it is about time for that thread:)
Any ideas we can use from this thread to improve the new one would be a good thing to discuss.
Hm i could upload some 16:4xx to 17 as well but as it is often only waza dependent i would prefer only new entries if settings varied significantly. Boot no problem, but tight timings + load are the reasons for pushing imc to the limit, in addition to the raw freq.
my old one with 2nds:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/screen049l6us1.jpg
Thanks guys and thank you Don_Dan for keeping thread updated
thinking of trying these 1600 6-8-6 bbse on cold just for kicks . unstable much passed 2333mhz 8-11-8
just broke into the .1**'s :) going for .0**'s now, will upload video and pics in an hour :D
:cool:
200k views! :shocked:
dinos has made a news post about bullant at GIGABYTE Tech Daily. :yepp:
bring it to Murica Splave!:party:
Splave - 6:16:109 - 46x108 - 1304MHz - 7-9-6-18-58-1 - ASROCK OC Formula - Avantium 2133c9 2x2gb/BBSE - 2.1v - CPU SS @ -50c Mem LN2 @ -150c
http://i.imgur.com/jI6Uwu9.jpg
Little tighter, little more trefi and better wazza technique...did not see 1 error message all morning at this settings and remember this does not work 2400 8-11-7 32m fails loop 10 on air.
http://youtu.be/XMq65zqNFVM
http://i.imgur.com/xFkmFuV.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2hnrvyx.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/6q8t4x.jpg
have a run at 6:16.110 that started much faster and last loop was very slow, gotta keep trying
awesome run, well done!
well done splave!
Great job! Sick run. :D
Let?s hope he doesn?t start using good BBSE, or all are doomed :D - grats
Avesome, congratulations! :up:
Great run, Splave! First post updated! :)
good bbse is in the eye of the beholder :DQuote:
Originally Posted by websmile
Nice work Splave,awesome run.Guess its my turn now,should have a refill soon see what I can come up with
"5G 6m 16s flat or faster" race start:D
corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
count me out.... 3770k i picked up yesterday does 5ghz @ 1.5v and the imc is complete doodoo wont even 2800 at all... using single sided kingston 2333 bdbg. really easy it is to use these sticks for max valids, 2800 is a cake walk if the imc can do it. ive never topped out the sticks, only the imc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
OPA Awesome run mate!
Itsa RRRRRRace-a
http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagene...12/11/bean.jpg
I would like to see them both in one room with one 25L Dewar
^25L is barely getting warmed up:)
Will be testing tonight I think even though I am a bit short on the juice, finally started to dry up around here lol
Gotta run quick, humidity is rising in east and west coasts. Lol
Try some rips tomorrow, got 5l left then will run and get more on my lunch break. Can't stop till 15s
Only mater of time mate and I'm sure we going to see some awesome times from youQuote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3
You know I think your a awesome Memory Overclocker.You paved the way now for tRCD9,-150 temps,cl6,we owe a lot to your thinking out the box.Tho I haven't got to -150 yet I'll be trying next time around
@Splave I give you hug bro cause that is a sick run,love you dedication bro
awesome, nice run Splave!
Serious Sh$t there Allen,Great Job bro!!!
Awesome run Allen...
You are half the reason man, pushing eachother. OCing at its finest :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bullant
EDIT: Messing with some sammy right now only have 2 sticks but we'll see how it goes
He he looking forward to samsung at -150 Splave :-)
no 32m on these guys anywhere good but had some fun from them
http://i.imgur.com/BdzScXx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kDzretj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zs6owb4.jpg
How are they on air?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
amazing 2600+ 8-11-7-22-74 1.87v pass 32m
great results allen! Well done bro!
Yo Splave try 5-9-7 and you will get impressed!!!
So some weird behavior guys, think I might be at some limit for my IMC because regardless of bandwidth, timings mhz etc, I seem to be hitting some sort of plateau.
2.05v @ -125c on the memory, cpu at -55c
c7
http://i.imgur.com/8Q5Tcen.png
c6
http://i.imgur.com/xaSi3ax.png
It is almost like I go in to a slow mode of sorts, I am going to try going back to P2.0 and maybe try another cpu.
Also I benched the SF3D Triple Point and temps never exceeded -125c with the plates, could have been my ambient temps/humidity but I got nowhere near as cold as the other runs, so no 6-9-7 out of the other 2300 c8 kit.
strange man, maybe just a bunk session....id def try them again
L0oud i would try C6 again, maybe it was just bad CW...
^even with BBSE same time about, different OS's, and different maxmem, different bios.
Waza files that were tried, 700mb, 1.32GB, 1.36GB, 1.89GB, 2.5GB all same, mediocre level of performance. Runs with out waza were very fast, some as fast as 6.19.2xx, so something is definitely wrong with the cpu or board, going to have to give another cpu a spin.
Full day without post bump lol sorry got caught up binning ballistix
You will probably find a few good sticks in those crucials ;)
This probably won't drive since i don't have CPU-Z (motherboard) and to cheap to pay for Aida64 but i just want to be a part of this epic thread
xBrytanx - 6:18:562 - 49x102.1 - 1327MHz - 7-11 -7-28 ASRock OC Formula - Gskill PI 2200 CL7 2x2GB - 2.1v - Cpu@H20/RAM -80c LN2 (first freeze):eek:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v7kvlzyd26...0run%205.0.JPG
Imho maxmem is a good substitue for AIDA - hope you had fun :D
have hard time getting memorys cold tonight only -95,working on this 2x2gb atm,say this was low 16
http://s12.postimg.org/i8suwtgrh/der.png
ddr3 2700 at 6-10-6? mmmkay :D
i just got it to pass but blew my wazza big time,had some good ones so close.Will keep working on it,may need fresh OS installQuote:
Originally Posted by Calathea
http://s17.postimg.org/40dmvccgf/Bad_wazza.png
Idk man for me the slower it starts the faster it pulls after loop 8 or so and seems like bonus loop is faster usually when starting slow. 4.297 def a a tad slow though. Keep pushing man
yeah for me what ever half way is like at loop 13 the fast one was 150s up on the slow one,i say by it was finished the fast one would have been up 250s-300s,so I say it would have pulled 16.1--,mid to high .100sQuote:
Originally Posted by Splave
Oh well try again later
Just something about my waza after 3-4 loops i can tell if its a good one or not,need to try different wazza later
For sure,a good wazza will make your run start fast and help your last itineration greatly.Also great bandwith and tight latencies helps the middle run.killer run with great wazza would mean great initial value as well...at least that's my findings so far :)
On some of my fast waza starts it goes real bad too ,its if I grab it at the correct time it's all good,if not it can fade out quick.Its something I need to sort out,keep plugging away and learning.Just notice on the run that passed I had tRas @27 compared to the faster runs at tRAS 26,so that prob be the reason too for slower run,I'm tired off to Bed I go,this benching hard work
Alex check this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
http://i.imgur.com/jI6Uwu9.jpg
I have a run at 6m16.210 that started 2.266 and was my fastest run till last loop got beat by .016 at then end :)
You can check your waza with a polynomial closeness function eg with Matlab. I did this to do a forecast when testing.
Even Excel diagrams with loop differences are sufficient to check efficiency. :)
I haven't tried 7-9-6 yet but I've tried 6-9-6 2600Mhz and it fails quick on 32M,temps only -95 tho,will try 7-9-6 next time .Even booted into window,just @ 5-10-5 2600Mhz tWCL6,Did a run same as my above sub with tWCL8,so slow
Welcome mate,well done on your first freeze,nice time,be sure to look deep into everyone's subs,that is the key.Well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by XBrytanX
Just some trick for u guys ....
cl6 wl 6 is not always faster than cl7 wcl6, sometimes cl7 wcl6 or 7 at higher freq (2800)is fasterthan them all, best tets on memories and ivy 32m is
Try high cl and high wcl ( just be sure it can pass ) but tighter possible on other timings ( test them one by one ) when you find best combination just set 2.15 go to lowest temp your sticks handle or your pot can go, then change only cl and twcl, you cant go wrong on them, there are some ruls on ivy performance,
Cl 6 twcl 6 , Cl 7 twcl 6 for 2600 to 2700 mhz
Cl 7 twcl 6 , cl 7 twl 7 gpfor over2700 to 2800 mhz
for sure 8gb is faster than 4gb about .500/.700 so calculate how u can run ur sticks at what freq and cl twcl and others.
Cw is OS depending, my Os and cw cant be same as bullant if we use 2 different ISOs
670 maxmem is safe maxmem ( no more ram error ) and its cpu imc depending, some cpu wont run low maxmem at all.
Great advice Hiwa,I found 4Gb v 8Gb not that much of difference because I can push the Mhz on 4Gb to catch up to 8Gb,I've only tested 4gb a few times in last few months compared to 8Gb.So much stress on 8gb and can't tighten subs as much as 4Gb.But on a side note what you have said about the cl and tWCL and maxmem is the key,I haven't even messed with maxmem for long time,thanks for the advice
Edit maybe I miss understood you and you meant what I said,can push 4gb harder on subs to make up difference
Thanks Hiwa this was exactly what was happening @ 2666 not 2700+ tho ,great advice
Bullant did u tried higher CW when u run 8gb? i can see on ur ARM (should be around 57XXXX with ur maxmem)seems u are using low cw, or u are run Pi when Available and system cache are not balanced well.
tra higher CW 3Dmark01 files and only D to C and C to D once then change the time u wait for available and system cache to have higher ARM and u can do 15s with those timings and freq and 8Gb .
or try 640 maxmem and same CW u are trying for 670 maxmem.
a lot of times when u have even low ARM the run is fast, but for sure the run with higher ARM and right CW if the combination is good it's the fastest run.
i found Ivy 32m very interesting but the big issue is there is no a lot of ruls to respect, sometimes the setup its the winner sometimes same setting/setup its loss, need to try and try changing CW and maxmem.
I haven't tried the ARM higher before,I always been hitting it @51XXXX-53XXXX,so I should be hitting it higher with 8Gb and with my high mazmem =57XXXX.So if I was to bring maxmem down should I then bring ARM down too.I'll try the 57XXXX next time for sure,also think Ive still not quite sorted out wazza and everthing that goes with it system cache and available.Thanks for the advice Hiwa much appreciatedQuote:
Originally Posted by hiwa
Ok i can try 640 maxmem with same setting
revisited the second set of 2300 c8's, but this time with a different cpu, and similar results:p
http://i.imgur.com/RPQEUs1.png
http://i.imgur.com/6nl8qsy.png
http://i.imgur.com/vXduN3c.png
http://i.imgur.com/cXir9C2.png
I ended up going to a higher maxmem (640) and started seeing some better results, going to give 670 a shot again after a refill.
Frosty pics in a bit. . .
George can you run them at higher speeds rather than tight timings?Say 7-11-7,or 7-11-8 at 2800+ ? Thinking a strong imc can cope with that,and i think higher freq can give nive boost too :)
2700 7-11-7-28 tWCL 7 seemed a bit slower, but I am about to refill so I can try another kit which is good for 2700 c7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
Probably one of the frostiest sessions:YIPPIE:
http://i.imgur.com/RU44IR5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gf8MOU5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RZQRixx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xNd1RE6.jpg
slowly working it's way down:D
http://i.imgur.com/PdZHwRq.jpg
and a new low:eek:
http://i.imgur.com/cTRoOrm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lkOZMtv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wfNkmd0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dDABPlh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NrqI4OQ.jpg
SF3D from last session, awesome pot just didn't seem to get as cold.
http://i.imgur.com/rK0NbQb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Yu1QbET.jpg
Epic
ice,ice baby..show me more..:D
nice pics and results. what pots are they? SF3D triple point and KPC venom?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimba86
Bingo, the last two pics are the Triple Point, basically the non gold one.
xBrytanx - 6:18:031 - 50x100.0 - 1300MHz - 7-10 -6-22 ASRock OC Formula -Adata 2000x (BBSE) CL9 2x2GB - 2.1v - Cpu@H20/RAM -80c LN2 (not enough LN2 tho ..2650 was reachable or maybe more )
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/5940/ad...1062221v50.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img221/299/cimg1296w.jpg
that is one hell of a isolation,nice job man,keep pushing!
thanks bro ,you still don't want this sticks ? ;)
:D Don't know man,i have quite a stash to test under cold :D
Sam's BBSE under cold:)
http://i.imgur.com/TITFflz.png
http://i.imgur.com/1DRRsQS.png
http://i.imgur.com/YdbZIdX.png
brix shat:p
http://i.imgur.com/p3qbIUs.png
This kit is good for 2600 on air, but it seems that it does not like voltage, all the above was done with 1.9v as more would cause it to fail quicker. Also dimm temps needed to be at -85c to -100c as much more would cause it to fail. I am starting to think some dimms do not like the extreme cold, and once again, bad on air = good on cold, and good on air = bad on cold. This kit would not do 2600 c7 or c6 at any volts.
I corrupted Windows more times in this session as setting anything => 2.0v was insta corrupt and reinstall.
Still have the black PCB to test:D
does it stop at 1300 even if you loosen up the other timings?
shouldn't have sold you the 2200C9s, damn it :D
They were booting 2700+ 7-10/9-7-22 and finish 1-2 loops before failing so the are pretty good. I will test them in the backup board as I have never had any issues setting vdimm over 2.0v so hoping it is my board and not your kit.
nice job george,i think the magic combo would be a kit that does 2600 on air and eats voltage and cold,too many parameters to meet it seems those kits would be extremely rare....
If the second 2133C8 kit is also owned by Allen's Avantium that fail 1200 8-10-7 on air (which is very likely) then BBSE binning becomes a clear issue. If you start looking for bad air kits then you'll end up with stuff that fails 1066 9-9-9 and I bet is equally bad cold. And testing each kit on LN2 is not very practical from time/money/resale viewpoint.
All hopes now on PSC at being more consistent...