Just order 2 set of these. It is very similar to your ram cooler. I hope it work just as good as the Hr-07.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3968/dragoonn422.jpg
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Just order 2 set of these. It is very similar to your ram cooler. I hope it work just as good as the Hr-07.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3968/dragoonn422.jpg
Yeah that should work. Just remember you need thick thermal pads to make up for the height difference between the AMB socket/chip and the ram ICs.
There is a Fry's Electronic here in the US that carry just about ever things an enthusiast needs and be happy. I would have to hit them up for the thermal padding.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Thanks for the advice.:)
STEvil,
I hope you don't mind me stealing your Asus logo.:)
Feel free :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaco
Anyone else who wants it can use it as well :D
hey Asus-guy!
Any word on a non-beta/final version of the latest BIOS 0105?
I think he withdrew into the shadows in sight of all the Asus-bashing going on here :rofl: :rolleyes:
I didn't see him (the asus rep) offer anything to anyone, including but not limited to promises of an upgraded Z7S without the failure rate. A fixed MB would have been ok with me. Maybe one without the overheating NB? I think the big corporation sent him in here for some damage control to quell the loudest of this group.
Hmm, I might have to adopt that image as well. 5 Striker RMA's were a little much for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Hey guys I put it on its own photobucket account so mine wont get overloaded rofl :D
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...sus/noasus.gif
feel free to pass it around, anyone can use it :D
:up: After 1 pointless RMA to Asus, I gave up on them entirely. Sigged! Oh, and 2000th post... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
The point of no return :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
me steal it too:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
the sig is a work in progress and might be worth something in the future like fine art.
guys, use the other linked image lol :D
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...sus/noasus.gif
Just got my rig oc to 3ghz. The memory cooler did the trick. Memory temperature now in the 40C.
Hey GUys,
Now that I am able to push to 3GHZ, my PC would randomly shutdown. SOund like a under supply power issue. SO I went out a bought a Enermax REVOLUTION 85+ 950Ws online. That bad boyz is sure expensive. Supposedly it have 87+ AC to DC rating. One of the best PS in the world I guess. Going for 450 FSB next project after the PS comes in.
I also notice an improve response on my system after running my system at 1600FSB with snoop filter enable. Try it with w/o SF too at the same FSB. Seem to be better with SF enable. I guess the improve bandwidth enable the SF to work correctly this time. Maybe my brain is playing trick but the games sure does play better overall. :yepp:
Any one here wants and unwanted 750watts PS with full cables and box. :D
the option is called 'Snoopfilter Bypass' , so by enabling this option the snoopfilter is disabled . At least that's my understanding .
Yes, that's right. Performance is approx. 50% worse with SF bypass option disabled. See post 1, first line :p:
I see....my snoop filter had been change since firmware update to.501Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Notin new there...its had been a year since I read the first post. oop
As promised: http://sites.google.com/site/ultimatehtpc/Quote:
Originally Posted by Snootch
Again, thanks to everyone for steering me away from the Z7S for a new machine... This new build rocks!
@jcool
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../Capture-1.jpg
Did you try to mod the bios of this board? I used AMIBCP and found some disabled/hidden options (CPU ratio CMOS setting, etc).
download AMIBCP from this thread (look for Bios Tools Pack)
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/showthread.php?t=529
Erm.. there already is a CPU ratio setting in Bios. No need to unlock that.. what I would like to unlock, on the other hand, is CPU VTT voltage.. but that can't be done, apparently. Would need a hard mod.
Yeah we already covered that poki.
the board is a POS though so no point in digging for new bios options really.
Hey guys, been watching this thread for a loooong time. I've been running a Z7S WS since May 2008 and when I first found this thread it made me nervous. Thankfully I have had zero issues with mine (knock on wood). I've run it from day one with a HiPer 880W PSU, modified (to fit the AMB) MassCool aluminum heatsinks on the RAM, and Arctic Cooling PWM fans all around. I don't know if that is what is making the difference in my case or if maybe I just got lucky, but there it is. I have left the machine running for literally months at a time. The reason for this is that I travel away from home quite a bit and I still like to have access to my Outlook and Quickbooks data. I also use Media Center + Orb to keep up with my shows on Adult Swim while I'm away.
Anyway my intent is not to brag. Actually the reason I am finally posting is to ask if anyone has abandoned their Z7S and maybe has some Kingston HyperX KHX6400F2LLK2/2G FB-DIMMs sitting around that they want to get rid of.
Thanks!
Wow, that was fast. I've purchased 4 HyperX FB-DIMMs from an Xtremesystems.org member, but I'd still like two more for a full set. Anyone else have a pair sitting around, collecting dust?
All i've got are 667mhz 1gb sticks.
You arent stressing the board 24/7 by the sounds of it ;)
No, not unless just leaving it on 24/7 can be considered stressing it. It already puts out enough heat to significantly warm the room it's in; I'd hate to see what it would do if I actually had it crunching numbers while idle. Could probably turn off my heat pump for the winter! I prefer power-saving to number-crunching.
My rig is probably overkill for what little I do with it, but I plan for it to last me a good long time. Putting Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on it as soon as I find some free time, and when SLC SSDs come down in price, I'll move the OS to a RAID 0 SSD array. Completely unnecessary--no rational justification for it whatsoever--but that's never stopped me before.
Whereas in the past, a rig could be outdated 6 months after it was built, nowadays it seems that CPU technology has peaked, at least in terms of performance. CPU manufacturers now focus on making their chips more efficient, stuffing more cores into them, or adding features. I figure it will be a good long while before eight 3.2GHz cores aren't enough to do anything I want... as long as the magic smoke stays in the computer.
Well I hate to say it, but then you're in the wrong forums, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndil
Thanks for stopping by! Please do come back when your priorities change!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndil
Let's be nice guys.. Some people have to see the "light" to understand what we do and our passions in doing so..;)
I realize this. The only reason I'm finally posting is to fulfill my quest for Kingston HyperX FB-DIMMs, and this seemed to be a good place to look. Seems I was not wrong about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Perhaps once I get the new RAM I'll play around a bit with the apps you guys use--mostly Folding@Home, I assume?--but for now, with my self-modded Masscool heatsinks, one of my current 2GB sticks idles at ~100°C and the other around 83°C. At least, that's what CPUID Hardware Monitor Pro is reporting. I find it a bit hard to believe, really. But if it is indeed that hot, I doubt it would survive a stress test.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../CPUIDidle.jpg
Hey, that WAS nice. :p:Quote:
Let's be nice guys.. Some people have to see the "light" to understand what we do and our passions in doing so..
Just have a look at the title of this forum, it should give you a hint :DQuote:
I realize this. The only reason I'm finally posting is to fulfill my quest for Kingston HyperX FB-DIMMs, and this seemed to be a good place to look. Seems I was not wrong about that.
Perhaps once I get the new RAM I'll play around a bit with the apps you guys use--mostly Folding@Home, I assume?--but for now, with my self-modded Masscool heatsinks, one of my current 2GB sticks idles at ~100°C and the other around 83°C. At least, that's what CPUID Hardware Monitor Pro is reporting. I find it a bit hard to believe, really. But if it is indeed that hot, I doubt it would survive a stress test.
But man, that ram temp is bad... I suggest adding a fan to blow on the rams ASAP.
Agreed, all FBDimms need a fan and a good one blowing on them.
The AMB(buffer) chip can get hot enough to cook on without good fans on them.
Both my harpertown machines have a 120x25mm 60cfm fan placed 2" off them on a bracket..Keeps memory temps in the 40's..
I didn't even bother trying to RMA mine. All I needed tio do was watch the sorry state of affairs for those here who tried to get Asus to do the right thing. I really need to get it out of my dining room. Makes me sick every time I look at it. Almost $500 for what? 6 or 8 weeks of use?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Bastages! I'll probably never buy Asus again, and I buy a lot of boards. To me it is incredible that Asus refuses to do the right thing for those who bought this board. You would think they would not want to alienate and lose the types of consumers who were inclined to get this board. We are not your average consumers... Whatever! Screw them.
Already have a 120mm Arctic Cooling PWM blowing over the RAM heatpipes. Once I get the HyperX FB-DIMMs in there I will attempt to mod the VGA duct of my Cooler Master Cosmos into a RAM duct. RAM needs it far more than the vid card.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
the heatsinks might be making poor contact
Thanks to Movieman, I now have 4 1GB Kingston HyperX FB-DIMMs on the board. Thanks, Movieman! When I first put them on I was a little concerned, as the temp of one of the AMBs had reached 103.5°C while just browsing the web. But after shutting down and swapping the inside DIMMs for the outside DIMMs, everything seems OK now. A game of TF2 maxxed the temps out at 103°C, and after returning to the desktop the temps of all of them have crept back down to below 100°C. That I can live with. The maximum temp for the AMB is 110°C.
I still plan on building a duct for the memory. I've got a 120mm Arctic Cooling PWM fan plugged into the memory fan header, but it's just attached to the rear exhaust vent on my Cooler Master Cosmos case. I'll build a duct that will cause that fan to pull air directly through the heatpipe heatsinks of the FB-DIMMs to maybe get temps a bit lower and allow the fan to spin slower.
Amazing how much heat that little AMB chip puts off. Makes me wonder how efficient a heating element it is.
Funny how you guys all get >100C mem temps.. You do know the AMB starts to throttle at 90-100C yeah? So you're definitely loosing performance at the very least. I don't think I could sleep at night with my ram at 100C :ROTF:
those AMB's must be glowing red hot :eek::explode2:
jcool, I read JEDEC's spec for FB-DIMM, and while the TEMPLO, TEMPMID, and TEMPHI triggers are mentioned, apparently it is up to the manufacturer to provide their own values for each variable. JEDEC did say that the minimum temp for TEMPHI is 110°C, so my previous statement that 110°C is the maximum temp for an AMB was inaccurate. The only specific temps I was able to find via the Google are from here:
TEMPLO: 106.00C
TEMPMID: 109.00C
TEMPHI: 124.00C
These are apparently from Intel's specification. If I assume that my AMBs have the same trigger points, I should not be experiencing any throttling as I have not yet hit 106°C. Actually after re-reading the specification, TEMPLO does not cause throttling, but "is generally used to inform the host to accelerate refresh events." Throttling does not occur until TEMPMID. At TEMPHI the FB-DIMM will be effectively turned off, probably resulting in a system crash.
And BTW... Holy crap! 124°C??!
And another one bites the dust. Just returned home to find my Fileserver down. Reboot --> no effect, power on/off - no signal. Great. Haven't put the diag card in but I don't need to.It#s gonna say FF :p:
Yay, so that's the 3rd or so dead board. This one lasted around 9 months, was running 420*9 with the X5450's undervolted to ~1,15V load Vcore. Extra fans on all the VRMs and mobo chips, CPU temps were at or below 50 while crunching, mobo below 45, rams below 55 at all times.
So yeah, we now know it's not a cooling issue :p:
Doode that sucks.
So yeah, I'm still running my Z7s (2nd one) after all the headaches I went through. Then you all yelled at me about my cooling and horrible temps. I'm sure I deserved that.
My temps got better over time, but I still hit 80c+ under load. Stability has been great. I rebooted for the first time in a long time simply to update to Windows 7.
I haven't even tried to OC her. After my first board (documented here) and the terror of the FF etc, I was happy to have her running.
What I took out of this, I think, is that a lot of these boards are very sensitive and might not work out of the lab so to say - up to spec.
I'm just happy mine has hung on this long. But yeah, you can put me down for 1 at least (sent it back a few days later after posting here).
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
*edits signature*
I've sold the board I got from RMA before it could die on me :)
No more Asus for me .
Well, thankfully I've got an RMA board lying here at all times :p:
So it's just a matter of hours to get it back up and running. Still, what a stupid hassle.
I guess I'm gonna sell them all too.. a shame but this sucks.
I'd love to sell my new board but i'd feel like crap if it died on whoever bought it :(
Ok, so I just swapped mobos for the 3rd or 4th time.. Dual X5450 back online. I really didn't want to do this, but every other option would have involved downtime and monetary investment, both of which are currently out of the question.
And since this POS board has proven that it will die regardless of what settings I use, I'm now back at full speed. If it's gonna die anyway might as well do some damage while it lasts... Next RMA scheduled in 6 months :p: :rofl: :shakes:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...5450_prime.jpg
Send an e-mail to advance.rma@asustek.nl
http://support.asus.com/repair/repai...Language=en-us
They should be able to replace your dead mobo rather quickly.
Want a laugh? Check out this nonsense!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...l/Untitled.jpg
Lows are from PC returning from standby. And the -1 on the GPU is just bogus. I don't have this in a deep freeze.
I figured if the temps were going to break it, I would break it now while it's still under warranty. Despite these ridiculous temps, it's still running like a champ at just over 1½ years old.
My GF has often said that I "s*** luck." I'll take it!
I don't see anything nonsense there? Your FBDimms are just running too hot, like everybody else's (excluding mine :P: ) which means they'll throttle a bit.
Reason why your (and many other) boards is still alive is because you don't crunch on it 24/7/365. There is a design flaw in the VRM circuitery that kills these boards when running 24/7 loaded, whether they are overclocked or not. If you run them idling all the time the board will last through its 2 year warranty span and THEN die.
Sounds logical. However, the warranty is 3 years, not 2.
Are faulty VRMs the cause of all of the Z7S failures?
As far as I can tell, yeah.
And Asus refuses to do anything about it.
:/
I am investigating a theory on why the VRM may be failing. It's just a theory, but based on the info in this thread and elsewhere, the logic is at least plausible.
IIRC, there was a photo a few pages back that someone had taken of the actual VRM that had burned up. I can't find it now, naturally, but it was the VRM under Heatsink 1, nearest CPU0.
Here is a photo of the row of VRMs that live under Heatsink 1:
http://www.myme.mine.nu/blog/digilog...20x240-323.jpg
This photo is from a blog of an attempt to convert Heatsink 1 to home-built water cooling.
If I am remembering correctly, the rightmost VRM in the photo (under the thermal pad) is the one that burned up.
The Z7S is an SSI CEB form factor motherboard. While it is based on the ATX specification, it is not an ATX board. Specifically, the maximum size for a full ATX board (not extended or EATX) is 12" x 9.6" while SSI CEB is 12" x 10.5", and the SSI CEB specification calls for mounting points for the CPU coolers.
However, since it is based on the ATX specification, the SSI CEB Z7S can fit in many standard ATX cases with some slight modification to provide the needed mounting points for the CPU coolers. Thus, the Z7S comes with a backplate kit for mounting the CPU coolers in a case that was not designed for an SSI CEB motherboard. The Z7S does not, however, come with instructions on how to actually mount the kit. This is a picture of the kit that came with the motherboard:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...tingplates.jpg
It consists of a thin plastic template, two steel adhesive-backed plates, and three baggies consisting of two rubber spacers and eight standoffs a piece, with each baggy containing spacers and standoffs of a different height.
And here are the directions that probably should have come with the kit:
1) Place the template on your motherboard tray, lining up the holes in the template with the standoffs in the top right corner of the tray.
2) Remove the backing from the adhesive on one of the steel plates, and, using the template as a guide, stick it to the motherboard tray. Repeat for the second plate.
3) Find the baggy containing the standoffs that, when screwed on to the plate, match the height of the standard ATX standoffs already in your case.
4) Once you have determined which baggy to use, secure the eight standoffs to the plates, using an adjustable crescent wrench to ensure a tight fit.
5) Now remove the backing from the adhesive on the rubber spacers from the same baggy and stick them onto the metal plates, placing them within the guide lines etched into each plate. The rubber spacers prevent the motherboard from being flexed towards the motherboard tray when mounting the CPU coolers. They perform the same important function as the CEK spring clips used when mounting the board to an SSI CEB case.
Here is what it should look like. This is a picture of my old Cooler Master ATC-210, in which my Z7S was mounted for over a year:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...l/IMG_2955.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...l/IMG_2958.jpg
I had to buy another of these kits from ASUS in order to mount the Z7S in its current case, a Cooler Master Cosmos. No amount of reasonable force could have removed the plates from the old case without damaging something. The adhesive is quite strong.
The theory is that perhaps the mounting of the cooler for CPU0 is flexing the board enough to pull the rightmost VRM from its heatsink, causing it to wear out faster than it should. An SSI CEB motherboard could be especially vulnerable to flexing caused by the CPU coolers, since the coolers are mounted directly to the tray beneath the motherboard, rather than the motherboard itself. Forgoing the use of the rubber spacers could exacerbate the problem.
Of those of you with failed Z7Ss, how many of you did not use the rubber spacers?
I use waterblocks with backplates, so no, I don't think this is due to the board flexing. I even removed the VRM sinks and checked for proper contact.. which is does make. Just low quality VRMs I'd assume.
No flex at all in my installation.
i've just a quick question for someone who actually has a working z7s, jcool? :)
question is: what is everest saying on your board about the ram channel configuration?
i noticed a somewhat bad ram performance on my z7s and did a quick benchmark check with everest. surprisingly everest says nothing about quad-channel nor anything like that. it just says 'ddr2-820fb' (i'm running at 410mhz fsb) and not 'quad ddr2-820fb' as it should be. i've populated all 6 ram-slots with 1gb kingston ddr2-800 fb-dimms each. this should be a valid ram configuration for quad-channel mode on an fb-dimm system even though the latencies might not be optimal due to 2 modules on 2 of the 4 channels and the serial nature of the fb-dimm system. i also tested it with only 4 modules but same story here...
is this just a wrong reading from everest or is there something i might have missed? all the benchmarks are pretty inline with the reference systems using the same hardware but ram performance seems to suck on this board.
As far as I know it's a software quirk. I do not know of any software to date that can read quad channel ram interfaces. Not even CPU-Z will report it...
Doesn't show for me either, and I'm running 4 sticks in the right slots ;)
maybe true, but unbelievable anyways... ;)
it can't be that hard to detect a quad channel memory controller for a hardware analysis tool?! what really makes me wonder is that for the reference system in everest (it's an e5462 i think) it clearly says 'quad ddr2-640fb' so obviously there must be some mechanism to detect a quadchannel controller (or maybe its just a manual entry in the database... ;)). i'm not exaclty sure where the 640 is coming from though, it should be 667, but who knows?!
oh man with all these reports of dead z7s ws boards, i am seriously consider stripping my rig and selling the mobo and cpus. :(
i dont do number crunching or leave it on 24/7 like a lot of the people here, i've had this rig for what...1.2 years now, and I wouldn't want it dying on me any time soon :(
spent a heafty bit, wouldn't want to see it go bad.
Well if you sell it, you offload the problem to someone else. Your choice if you wanna do that or not...
I guess you're safe if you're not crunching 24/7 .
everyone here who has been crunching 24/7 has seen these things die quickly.
i know this is farfetched question, but what kind of life expectancy should i be expecting for someone that does not crunch ?
has anyone. 'not' crunching, daily average use, have this board die yet?
--
pretty sure if i took the advantage and sold this off early, i could just get a nice i7 board and cpu for the return.
hi fellas, i'm following this thread since a year. helped me much when i went for dual cpu opwer in a workstation. best cooling tips! you do great!Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
anyway,
the board just died with burned VRM some days ago when i switched the octo:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: back on after 2 weeks holiday.
before the pc was running 24/7. not under load 80% of the time.
i'm using it for rendering, working with 3D applications and a bit of gaming.
board is (was) a bit over 1 year old. it may rest in peace!
saved me a lot of time, now it's taking it back while getting replaced.
cheers.
So it makes, 14 out of 16 :p:
Can you describe when exactly in the boot process it burned up? Did you get in to Windows?Quote:
Originally Posted by RomanZen
not to 100%
first try
bios bootup was fine. windows 7 logo appeared while booting. pc was hung up in boot logo.
second try
i resetted the beauty, left the room for drinks, came back, only black screen. it smelt of burned electronic.
after that i pluged in the diagnosis card. the card said FF which apperas to doesn't mean fully functional ;) .
after professional investigation i found similar problems with the vrm's and the smell did come exactly from the heatsink above them.
the pc was completely off power grid while i was on vacation. maybe that helps.
i hope it helps,
asus FF wins \o/
cheers!
It could be that the heating/cooling of the VRM is performing unintended metallurgy on the components of the VRM itself. That may explain why it quickly burned up after 2 weeks of no usage.
This of course could be the fault of a VRM manufactured with poor quality materials, or it could be the fault of a poorly cooled VRM. Or both.
Roman, did you happen to notice which VRM failed? Was it the rightmost VRM under heatsink 1?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/Syndil/VRM_1.jpg
*edits signature again*
You guys realize that at $550 per board (some of us paid $600+ i'm sure..) that is almost $10,000 in broken boards?
Guy's:
I've been in contact with a rep from Asus over the last week.
I suggested to him that to solve this issue it would be in Asus and the guys best interests to offer all of you an upgrade to a dual socket 1366 board.
The only other option would be to pay each of you what you spent on the board and I don't see that happenning.
He has agreed to "kick it upstairs" to see how Asus mgt feels about it.
I would hope that although not a perfect solution as cpu's and memory are not transferable between socket 771 and socket 1366 it would be a solution that you guys could live with.
I'm going to start another thread for those that own dead and have lost Z7S WS boards to post in and then PM me their names and mailing info.
Let's see if we can bring this to a close and in a way that if not perfect, at least all can say, 'OK. thats reasonable".
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=239229
sorry for the poor quality. the quickshot from the mobile should do the trick anyway. as you can see it's the second from the left.
http://picfront.de/d/FP4GwMLGw/IMG00...91119-1211.jpg
if you get news please post them here. i whould like to see a general solution for this and not having another board replaced.
for me switching to socket 1366 isn't really an option since i simply don't have another 800 to 1500€ waiting to be spent for a new cpu set.
edit: for cooling i used 6 120mm pwm fans. 3 for the case, 3 for the cpu's in a lian li b25. the 2 stock coolers from the xeon's for the ram.
cheers
Thanks for the pic, RomanZen. Doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it then. Just bad VRMs.
How about the DSEB-DG as a replacement? Different slots, less USB ports, and much larger (SSI EEB vs SSI CEB), but the Z7S peripherals should work fine on it. Doesn't necessarily appear to be a step down from the Z7S (as long as the previously mentioned differences don't bother you), or am I missing something?
Well, it can't OC. Or not like the Z7S WS can. No other board can do that....
Oh, OC. I don't do that anyway, but I can understand why that would be important to members of this particular forum. I would like to be able to adjust the timing on my RAM, however, which apparently the Z7S can't do. :P
If (or when, if you want to put it that way) my Z7S fails, I will see if ASUS will send me a DSEB-DG.
Only Dual LGA771 to allow for manual ram timing control is the Skulltrail.
Yeah, crappy FSB OCability and two too many NF200's made sure of that.
It doesn't die though, at least.
Hey J-cool,
Been a while I'm still up and running on my Z7S, although it did eat 2 sticks of RAM. I found the heatsink on the VRM chip to be inadequate which likely promoted the failures seen in this area. It dislodges easily and does not automatically reattach due to unproperly tensioned springs and the wrong thermal paste, they use a putty, which causes other issues like caking on across the assembly.
This is a simple flaw that causes major problems like blow VRM's, a nice thick copper heatsink across these parts with the proper paste plus more tension mounts to more fully secure the heatsink would have done wonders for this board. So a flaw in thermal engineering. Fire whoever approved that sink design. They should have something more like the Fatality boards which have improved copper heatsinks with nice thick baseplates that dont bend when you touch them.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6594/vrmproblem.gif
I always re-checked (and sometimes reseated) the VRM sinks because yeah, they suck. They can move during transport etc.
My last boards didn't die due to bad VRM cooling, I am sure of that.
ZIO if you were running 24/7 load like I do your Z7S would be long gone as well ;)
Been a while since I've posted. Interesting to see how this has evolved. For those who've taken their VRM heat sinks off, did anyone manage to pull a part number off the chips?
added a bunch :down::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
STEvil - 2
angelshonnny - 1
Jaco - 3
jcool - 6+
spiro - 1
4DoorGTZ - 1
taymans - 2
DanTheBanjoman - 1
Serlv - 1
ZIO -1
colombodk - 1
romanzen - 1
lombardi - 1
+1
Yay, my 4th board just went down. That's 8 month since the last dead one, not bad :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Oh well, this is it for me. Thankfully I just copied over all the data from that rig a few days ago, so I don't need to rebuild it this time. I'll just sell off the parts and RMA the motherboard once again. Or maybe I'll just use a sledgehammer :rofl: :shakes:
Anyone looking for a pair of X5450's or some FBdimm, PM me...
oh, I thought it was Jaco's board that went down?
I had an ASUS Z7S blow up on me while at an idle back in November 2009 and I thought it was a fluke. It took out a 1000W PC&P power supply when it went also. Sucked, but ASUS replaced the board and it worked perfectly till yesterday.
On a Saturday morning with the system running it went up in smoke again and took out yet another power supply. I do a Google search on it this morning and what do I find... It's a very common issue. Not a happy camper.
The first four photos are from the 11/2009 blow up. The last two are from the 2010 blow up from yesterday morning.
I agree with the others in this thread that you shouldn't use this board and if you own one you should return it. The PWM design they are using is badly designed and it's not a matter of if the board is going to fail, but when.
The First board lasted April 2009 to November 2009 (7 months) the replacement lasted from November 2009 to July 2010 (8 months). Looks like this is also what others are seeing as jcool said his went out in 8 months as well. My system had great cooling too, so I don't think that is an issue.
The first one set of a fire alarm in the building. It even got hot enough to melt off the heat sink standoffs and permanently charred the chassis.
The count should be:
STEvil - 2
angelshonnny - 1
Jaco - 3
jcool - 6+
spiro - 1
4DoorGTZ - 1
taymans - 2
DanTheBanjoman - 1
Serlv - 1
ZIO -1
colombodk - 1
romanzen - 1
lombardi - 1
Apoptosis - 2
Apoptosis:
That looks so brutal, board burned from both sides O.o
STEvil - 2
angelshonnny - 1
Jaco/taymans - 3
jcool - 6+
spiro - 1
4DoorGTZ - 1
DanTheBanjoman - 1
Serlv - 1
ZIO -1
colombodk - 1
romanzen - 1
lombardi - 1
Apoptosis - 2
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It is a crime that Asus has not done anything to make this right. ^*(&^&%$s!
Their RMA guys still replacing this board with the same model?
Yep, just got a new one from Asus NL :p:
But the other dead one I sent in wasn't replaced, because it has been the 3rd time so I got my money back. Not from Asus though, but my Distributer.. now they have to pay for what Asus failed to fix :/
I sent in an ASUS board in that couldn't get past the BIOS screen, they sent it back to not posting at all. No more BIOS screen lockup though right?
Belay that.. I just got a message from my distro, stating that they are forwarding the manufacturer's credit for the dead motherboard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
So it seems Asus has finally started to take responsibility for their faulty product. OR, they just realised it was the 3rd time that this particular board died within 2 years, which means they are legally obliged to give me my money back :p:
Probably the latter... :rolleyes:
I've managed to keep mine running since Aug '08 by babying it (knock on wood). Sorta pointless; it's been off for extended periods of time for other reasons. Anyway, in anticipation of this board failing sometime, or maybe proactively dealing with the problem, which make and model mobo would the community recommend to drop these Xeons into? I'm looking at a Supermicro X7DWA-N, a Tyan S5397, an Intel Skulltrail (if I can find one), and an Asus DSEB-DG. I'd really like to get to crunching again.
X7DWA-N and the DSEB-DG are both excellent boards. The Skulltrail will work great as well, it has a high power consumption though. No idea about the Tyan.. I heard they were somewhat flimsy, and being on my 2nd Dual LGA1366 Tyan already, I wouldn't neccessarily go for them.
By the way, if anyone is interested in my X5450's or the FBDimm, drop me a PM ;)
:eek: those pics from Apoptosis are freakin crazy on what happens to a mobo. i wonder if asus will be responsible if his house burnt down :mad:
HI- Long time no post- MY motherboard finally succumbed to bad engineering and died today. I won't be trying to revive it it looks like it fried in the same place as APOPTOSIS's MB. http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3...readefined.jpg
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I am sooooooooooooo sad now. :(
Are you going to RMA or ask for your money back?
ASUS doesn't give refunds to customers, just distributors. When I told them the problem, they indicated that I can return the MB and if the damage is bad enough they would replace the MB entirely. It looks very similar to APOPTOSIS's damage, front and back damage with likely multi-layer damage to the circuit and conductor pathways surrounding the damage. I do not think this MB can be repaired.
When the failure occured it filled the house with acrid smoke.
I am going to talk to an ASUS supervisor about possible replacement of other parts destroyed by the failure under warranty. 2 RAM modules were taken out during the failure.
The supervisor at ASUS said any components that "happen" to fail at the same time as the MB have to be replaced by the manufacturer of the failed component not by ASUS.
The Supervisor also told me that the repair manager has to make the call as to the replacement of the MB with a new one, is warranted by the amount of damage done to the MB during the failure. I have to say that from what I can see there's no way to make this MB reliable after a failure of this type with resulting ionization damage to the physical MB as it was eroded away by internal electrical arcing. It is like a hole got burned through the MB from the front to the back.
They had better send me a new replacement.
Annnnd to top off my bad day, it's gonna take 2-3 WEEKS!!!!
:(
STEvil - 2
angelshonnny - 1
Jaco/taymans - 3
jcool - 6+
spiro - 1
4DoorGTZ - 1
DanTheBanjoman - 1
Serlv - 1
ZIO -2
colombodk - 1
romanzen - 1
lombardi - 1
Apoptosis - 2
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Noting about the PSU, my Antec 1000w went out not long after the Z7S... wonder if it was injured when the Z7S blew?
Possible, short circuitinng fets can damage psu a little, and that's the main reason why z7s burn.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but is it possible to launch a class action suit against Anus re this problem ??
Oh and I have been using the miss spelling name for many years now after one too many dead mobo's, same applies to anything NV :down: