...at which FSB strapping? at some point you must loosen timings in order to regain stability, and unless each strap has been programmed for alternate timings after 464, I find this a bit hard to beleive.
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...at which FSB strapping? at some point you must loosen timings in order to regain stability, and unless each strap has been programmed for alternate timings after 464, I find this a bit hard to beleive.
I am not sure of the strap..but Tony said this gave the best performance...I think he had a post over at dfi forum on itQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Using an Orange & a yellow slot is not using true Dual Channel Ram Access. Your ram likes this cos you just knocked off about 550/Mb Sec off your memory bandwidth. I`m sure you are aware of the consequences running over NB 1.5v.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
Yes, I know that he said this. I'm offering a different perspective. There's alot at play here for it to be the same for EVERYONE, regardless of settings, So I cannot accept such a blanket statemetn, unless this is something imposed by the BIOS itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
But isn't there a new bios? Can this bios not behave differently than the last? Can one config not differ from another in terms of performance, altohugh htey are comprised of the same parts? Think OUTSIDe the box, man, not what other people tell ya. If Tony told you the earth was not round, but flat, would you believe that too?
I'm not saying Tony is wrong, but I'm not saying his is right either. Unless YOU PERSONALLY test it with your rig, there's no way to be sure.
Yeah erwinz, HD Tach reported a sad 104Mb/second Burst for me! ATI raid gives 303Mb/sec but boot times into Wind0ze XP is 4 times slower than Promise?? Really weird! Problem on the ATI Raid is backing up. Acronis wont see it, PQ Drive Image 7 will but with 10 minute boot times from CD ROM, it makes it a bit of a cr4p process.Quote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
I got screenies of HD Tach on Marvell Matrix @ 386Mb/Sec, very impressive!
Gunno have a look at the New Bios for changes.
thnx for this dude. wow these voltages are low, gonna try them and see how they work for me, ou say 100% stable, I just hope they do similar for me. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
@nealh: I'm sure it was 434 cause I remember it was under 4GHz with 9 multi, but I can't seem to find the post. Well it isn't important anyway, you need to test it for yourself ;)
Anyone else having issues loadfing up the DFI Web Page?:
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa...FLAG=B&SITE=US
I got the file from AbelJemka's direct link:
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/R6T_041.zip
I was wondering what the changes might be since falling over without a Hard Reset from flashing to .041?
Jeez..all I was doing was just passing along Tony's recommendation
I cant even get to 425...and the effort is not worth it right IMHO
There are a few ways to do this, 1T is actually the fastest mode for this board but it takes a huge amount of tweaking.
Do what you want with the info..just passing it alongQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I found out what works.
Once you find stable voltage settings for where you are reset cmos, and apply your overclock. There is a much better chance that the oc will be accepted and boot into windows.
Every time you oc too far and crash, reset cmos. Don't just change bios settings without reseting cmos, the board hates this :mad:
Also using 111 PCI-E frequency seemed to add some stability. NB def needs at least 1.45~1.48v to push a decent FSB. Max boot from bios so far was 439x9 @ 1.45v.
I am gonna try a little 3D now :toast:
I have been able to run the Crucial up too 523mhz still at 4-4-4-18 1T timings.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/252/aaaaor0.jpg
Have you tried Sync at this FSB? If so, do you see any Bandwidth Differences in Sisoft Memory & if so, take note of the bandwidth Efficiency?Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
It would be some real valuable information to know!
*edit* Dpends on your ram spec/timings...of course & thanks in advance. :)
Just to add, on the Beta Bios .041, I have now manged to 3DMark 01 (without crashing) @ 380fsb 1:1 with board Voltage defaults except for PCIe being set @ 1.34. I noticed the FPS in key areas of the bench was down & yet I whopped my biggest score ever of 53870. I just cant get 400 stable cos my 4300 is crapping out @ 1:1 1T. Compared to BA2 v505, this RD600 board puts the Intel board to shame. Thanks DFI...just keep the bios updates coming..we need em.
& why when at 400 fsb when you Restart Windows; "Does the PC loose Sync with your monitor * you have to pres the Reset button to get POST & Boot again? It does this with the Official 22/12 Bios as well as the .041 Beta Bios. The 041 Beta Bios is tricky to catch the Bios entry....hit the key too many times & it cr4ps out to a blank screen!?
so are you get 1:1 at 380 with default NB voltage as well??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I have not tried running ram sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Here is a sisoft of 535 4-4-4-16 1T:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2478/memslw9.jpg
This is my best 3D01 score so far, not bad considering low clocks on graphics 700/800. Fully tweaked off course :D
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/771/3d01uz0.jpg
Yes! :) Tho' I 'spect the H20 NB cooling is helping well....Highest I see is about 53 Deg C under load & around 36/37 Idle. I was seeing 55 Idle on Stock NB Cooler @ default voltage! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Damn niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
BTW..can I assume this better FSB on default NB voltage for you?
I have stock cooler with a 120mm fan blowing on it..idle at 47-50..load with my fan @12v on my PA160 rad at 52/53C, idle at 45-47...all depends on my ambients which range from 75-78F..I live in FL
if I go quiet..set fan to 7v(its Panaflo 120x38 L1A)..I idle at 49/50....
I purchased a Microol whisper XE to try on the NB...I wanted to watercool but did not want to spend $40 on block..LOL..I spent $36 on air cooling..I am a moron
I was most concerned on my tubing torqing(sp?) the block and not getting good contact..anyway.. I will end up buying a water block in the end....
this beta bios sure looks promising...did you see any voltage changes in bios readings for a given setting?...did your cpu clock any better....
464 best performance is on the 266 nb strap..
If you head over to the club you can find all the settings used with OCZ flexx to get the board stable at 3.33ghz. NBcore will scale with the overall thruput of the northbridge, so max permissable cpu speed at the set ram speed is limited by how much nb volts you use (as in most boards, but especially so with this board), I have not tried the new beta so things may be a lil' different in what can be achieved..
regards
Raja
really... the ati raid is much faster.. :) i'll be trying this thru the weekend.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
and I'll try the beta bios also.. :) hehehe DFI is listening.. :) hope the beta bios is OK.. anybody use it so far??
see post 1613...right aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
Kin Hell..got some nice speed at 1:1, I thought anyway at DEFAULT NB voltage
I have alot of problems sometimes when restarting from bios. Just black screen, press reset several times then itīs starts lika normal again. Anyone having the same problem with the latest bios?
I used to have that before when my memory is set to high, just reset with cmos and down memory settings.
I said already back at post 1613: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1613
I guess this way saves me quoting myself! :D
Have problems to run 1T tho. Fsb 266 and mems at 400 async and just change to 1T i settings. Windows boot but ends with a bluescreen. Maybe the board donīt like my memorys ?
Who notice this last bios is better than 22/12 ?
Interesting discovery, but I still see this hanging scenario whilst leaving the Ram on Async 380Mhz whilst trying 400FSB. She still needs the reset hitting to bring her upto post from a winbloWs restart!? Perhaps the Ram is straining it's ass off Async & too close to the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
I`ll slacken the chaffs & post back!
The .041 Bios is letting me Bench 3DMark01 @ 9x 380FSB 1:1 with Stock Mobo Voltages & NB/CPU/7950GX2XXX all under 1/2" water blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
By using a 7 multi, the rated FSB is flying, but leaves Bandwidth Efficiency sub 50%. Maximum theoretical Bandwidth is Awesome around 18000+Mb/sec
but the poor efficiency leaves the CPU flapping around on it's small multiplier. Again this ties in with Tony saying Bigger Multi CPU's were better suited to this board. I just seem to be getting better performance on the 9x multi what ever I do with this board!
Dropping to a 7x Multi to run 464 on my 2.4ES DUO is a bit like putting a Pencil in a dustbin & then trying to say, thats a tight fit! :D
do you think yo are stable in orthos with those settings at 380 1:1Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Hi Kin,
I don't know about the beta as I have not used it. But with equivalent cpu speeds between the multipliers, the 464 point 266 strap is definately faster, at the same cpu mhz on a higher multi using less fsb for the same mhz..
I benched this board hard at 4.58/4.64ghz, 464 vs 511fsb with a x6800 under phase, 05/06 were faster on the 266 strap at around 464fsb, with pcie at 150 or so and ddr 1200 cas4 and ddr1300 cas5, for all other applications/speed settings things may vary (ymmv).
regards
Raja
Kin Hell...one more thing were you able to get same overclock on cpu at same , lower or higher vcore with the beta bios
I want to play with the new bios but I need my computer for work stuff for about a week...blah
Never tried it tbh... 4hours of CS:S dont crash; 3DMark01/03 dont crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Gone back to the official 12/22/06 bios & still benching at Default board voltages!
Now trying GTL REF tweaks for more out of the CPU.
Beta .041 Bios appears to have slightly more Bandwidth when @ 380FSB 1:1 266 Strap. I can't vouch for other settings.
Beta .041 constantly hangs to a Blank/Black screen if you hit the Bios key more than once. I'm in & out of it so often, it's why I've gone back to 12/22/06! :stick:
I had no Board Voltages increased other than PCIe @ 1.34v.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Hi Raja,Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
I'm thinking about strapping the Vapo XEII ontop of this V2000 case & flipping the whole case Mobo tray around. Either that or get a Bigger Multi CPU. :(
Now back at 360fsb 1:1 & this is my last post for a few days. I need a break. Loading saved Bios settings that have worked are no longer working!? I am convinced the official 12/22/06 Bios is not right. Someone mentioned earlier in here that loading settings from a crash might not work unless you reset CMOS!
I`m also seeing this, as well as desktop crashing. Even if you crash gracefully to desktop from CS:S, an apparently normal restart appears possible, but Loading saved Bios configs just DONT work!?...Unless you reset CMOS prior to loading a saved setting & presuming a saved setting isn`t corrupt to start with!? You can see this might all disapear up it's own ass!
From what I've seen with this board, i've gotten as far as 440 fsb, but not stable! Even If I drop multipliers, the faster FSB is useless for the CPU, leaving the lower Multiplier flapping around in Huge possible bandwidth and not enough data to throw into it. Running a 440fsb sounds great, I've been there, ...but adding 3+ seconds onto a 1Mb SuperPi run & loosing nearly 4000 3D01 Marks aint my idea of a performance gain.
I can keep this board up on a 360fsb 3D-wise 24-7 and I'd say she was fine 380fsb for 2D works....even copying, moving defragging accross hard drives. As soon as I put any voltages up anywhere, even using the lower multis to take the CPU out of the equation, findng true stability is like looking for hens teeth. Gunno kick back with Jack & Daniels for a few days & mooch about where to go next. :cool:
For all the hassle getting the Vapo hooked into the equation, selling the Vapo XEII would be a lump towards a faster/bigger CPU.
Meanwhile...I can hear Ice hitting glass tumblers...L8r folks & good luck! :toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
very nice :D we will take it from here.. :)
the beta bios is really a beta bios.. :) but i'll be trying this later.. for the compatibility for my memory..
its the same for me.. when I tweak the bios and crash hard.. I will not use the CMOS reload option.. I reset the cmos.. and I use one stick for loading.. :) hehehe my memory is not that compatible with the board.. btw I use corsair 8000UL
my target is 450 x 8 ..but as some said that you lose more bandwidth when using lower multi's.. I'll test this findings also..
for now I'll be using air in cooling.. my tuniq will be delivered today.. can anyo one point me to the post on how to lap a tuniq tower?? :D
is 1T really faster?? can we have a comparison.. between RD600 mobos only.. :) hehehe
I know 266 strap is really faster.. hope DFI will fix the sync option.. maybe there is a chance in speed and bandwidth..
its really good that there is a beta bios on the works.. more options for the promise raid and ati raid.. I know that the promise raid is Fasttrak TX4310.. there should be more options..
Kin Hell nice work :woot:
metalman2785 very nice settings there.. hope some one post additional guidlines for the GTL options.. :)
raju enlighten us.. :) (just like the DFI 975x infinity days)
how exactly are you resetting CMOS..with jumpers?
yup.. with jumpers.. :)
Yes, or you can hold power and reset buttons for 5 seconds when board is in standby mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
PITAQuote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
hello people, I started tweaking all from the beginning, and it's going very good so far, I'm currently at 3200MHz, now going to put it to dual orthos.
My last result: 345*9=3105MHz at all stock volts, except clockgen @ 3.4V, I put it just so I don't have to think about it. Memory is also on stock, will meddle with it when I'm finished with the CPU.
Here's a dual orthos 8+hrs screenshot: http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7752/3103mhzwo9.th.jpg
Hope to see 3200 stable at stock too :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
very nice setup.. :) nice E6600 btw.. :)
thnx, now got on exactly same settings 3200 (356*9) 2hrs+ stable, moving on :DQuote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
EDIT: windows freezes when starting orthos at 3300MHz, I'm going back to 3200MHz to see how long can it run orthos, will run it 12+hrs on dual orthos to see if it is stable, all on stock volts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
really.. :) wow.. water is really a why to go.. mm.. I hope my tuniq tower can give me a good result.. :)
3.69ghz 24/7 :D
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2953/orthyy1.jpg
I just loaded this beta bios on my mobo, and really want that I haven't done it! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
First I thought that I couldn't get in bios because I pressed del more than one time (I have read about this issue), but I can't get into bios at all!
Ok I cleared CMOS, but still I cant get into bios:
If I press Del- black screen, if I press F1- black screen!Quote:
CMOS checksum error - Defaults loaded
Press F1 to continue, Del to enter SETUP
Is there any other chance than boot from floppy or using winflash to get back my previous version of bios! Please help!
When the Diagnostic Led wont light up, what is the problem?
Today after i pressed the power button the Diagnostic Led don`t worked :(.
RMA Time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by M3kk
I take it the Board doesn't power up? You haven't said?
Put a Fan on the CPU header & then fire it up. If the LEDs stay off & the CPU fan dont spin up, it'`s died on you. My second RD600 board worked fine on Air for 3 days & went back in its box. 2 Weeks after, My water cooled lash up was ready & in went the board. Same for me...No LED's & no CPU fan spin up. It's Ass was RMA'd.
Well the board does power up, but the LEDs stay off..
I will try with a fan..
I used the board ~2 weeks then i changed it with something else..
Today i received a pair of Cellshock, and i wanted to try the rams on DFIs board, but..
How are you guys RMAing your boards? Call them up? Their site is kind of unhelpful.
RMA to supplier for me. I would expect you will have to check out your Suppliers terms & conditions as they will vary.Quote:
Originally Posted by damnnit
Nice CPU there...really. :) Have you tried to see how far you can go @ 1:1 yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
I was gunno have a couple of days rest from this, but all my Jack Daniels evapourated so I'm back on the case. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
Orthos crashed at 360fsb 1:1 with Auto on CPU Volts. At this FSB, CS:S was fine for 4 hours, 3DMark was fine too. Anyhow, setting Manual @ 1.2875 sorted the issue & with some more small tweaks, I now have Orthos running for 55 minutes 25 seconds at 420FSB with Multi @ 8x, Ram Async (2GB Geil PC4300 - dont laugh!) & very small adjustments to voltages elsewhere which I promise to come back with. I gave up chasing GTL for now cos I'm trying different strappings as I have picked up on using 300 or 333 for high 300+ fsb zones. More to come!.............
and the final result, 3203MHz (356*9) on stock volts! and that's dual orthos 11+hrs stable! here's a screenshot, man this chip is great :D
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9995/3203mhztj8.th.jpg
for 3300 I'll have to add a little bit more volts, let's see now what this baby can really do :woot:
The CPU fan spinned up, but nothing else.. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Not yet, I am going to work on tweaking the most of my memory, async right now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
You do realize that orthos will stress up to 2 cores so you dont need to run a second instance...Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
Well, after a lot of meh-larking around, I`ve stopped chasing the fast FSB's. Got to the magic 464 on a 7 Multiplier & was benching Sisoft with 34% Bandwidth efficiency. Anyway, I got there on NB 1.53v & ran Orthos for ten minutes, so I guessed it was some where handy. 3DMark is way slower on such poor Bandwidth efficiency. I'm convinced being able to use an 8 Multiplier would give better bandwidth efficiency even at a slightly lesser FSB than 464 but faster than 370 1:1, ...say 410.
I also notice that by using a 300 Strap, SiSoft is loosing approx 500Mb/sec, so all my results are based around 1:1 on SYNC with 266 Strap. Dropping to a 300 Strap does not make the CPU or Ram any more Overclockable, at least not for me.
I`m now Orthos Stable at 370FSB 1:1 & get a snappier feel to everything and anything I do at any other settings. Benchies are the biggest too. Thinking back to when I was trying the OCZ9200, I`m not entirely sure I tried a 7 Multiplier with 464 board Voltages running Sync on a 266 Strap. Is it possible?
As I go on waffling about this, & maybe even talking myself into an answer which totally eludes me right now, ....I am concerned at to wtf is going on when playing with Multipliers!?
I'm using a 2.4ES here, stepping 5. Orthos seems to like showing the CPU speed as if it`s actually got a 9 multiplier, even tho it's set to 7 X 464fsb on a 266 Strap in the Bios. CPUz reads it as 7 with the correct Mhz-idge of 3248Mhz!
So, Orthos & "rmb Sys Properties Gen TAB" show CPU speed at 4.176Ghz?
Emotionally disturbed by this, "I did a rmb Properties" on "My Comp/Gen TAB", which also reported my CPU Speed as it would if I was on a 9 Multiplier?
Running Orthos or rmb Sys Properties on an 8 Multiplier shows it contrary to CPUz which again shows the CPU at it's correct Mhz-idge. At 9 Multiplier, there are no conflicts between Orthos, "rmb Sys Properties Gen TAB" or CPUz.
Erm.....can someone nudge me nicely about this please? :confused:
Gah m8y..looks like it`s RMA time. Try & sort it with your Supplier on a 28 day affair. Might be your quickest fix. Sorry for ya but good luck as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by M3kk
:stick: :stick: :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
:rolleyes:
Software, dude, is only as intelligent as the lines of code. Open up Everest and check out the FSB speeds when using a lower multi...
Fact of the matter is that they don't know how to read the bios.
..yeah but come on...wtf is the chipset actually doing if Software that folk use as a bit of a Bench Standard isn't reading right?Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Its a bit like me looking at the bad Axe 2 Rev 505 Mobo & constantly seeing CPUz NOT reading 9 Multi...but 6 Multi...??????
Is that software too when earlier Revs of Bad Axe with Latest CPUz read fine?
I don't think so! :rolleyes:
*Edit*
Further, it must ALSO be a software thing for WindowsXP Pro to show the Hardware it is on being 4.176Ghz?
This is System Properties on the General TAB.
Again.....I Don't think so!
Anyone else want to nudge me some more?
Well said mate, I bought this motherboard JUST because Tony said it was good, NEVER has he led anyone on and EVERY bit of advice he has given has worked perfectly for me, I feel very lucky to be able to read what he writes, there's not many people you can say that about.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
And since I've only had it 3 days I haven't done much but what I have I am very pleased with, certainly looks a very stable piece of kit.:toast:
I a gree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by kimandsally
Kin Hell..are you back on the 12/22(official bios) with your most recent result...Hmm..maybe I should try to fall back to 390 1:1 sync and see how things go
Kin Hell..does bandwidth eff. change only via multiplier? or sync status? or strap all all have an effect
e6600 9x 390....bios 12/22
I tried 9 x390 1:1 sync with 266 strap...I got on Sandra 55% eff(howeverI crash 3dMark05..not really stable)
I tried 390 cpu: 500 mhz ram, async 266 strap..got better memory score(small amount) and same 55% eff.(FWIW..i was 2ohrs+ blend stable when i stopped with 390x 9=3500: async ram @500 with 1.42v on NB...only other increases were cpu vtt 1.23, MB 1.8b PLL 1.93 and convert at 1.97)
The software doesn't recognize the dividers used for independant clock control is all. The independant control, and it's ratios, for all the busses, isn't yet programmed into the app.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
The most obvious differences between mobo revisions(especially on the badAxe series) is the clockgen used, and so, yes, it's the software. It's been programmed for a different clockgen, and so when it polls the clockgen, it doesn't get the results it's looking for.:stick:
And, um, did everyone forget that RD580 and RD600 are kinda the same family of chipset(580 is AMD, 600 is Intel)? How long ago did RD580 come out? Forr this board to perform as well as it does...well..completely blows me away.
DFI's fault or AMD's, or perhaps Intel's???Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Look, I respect your views but cr4p like this just isnt right. It's a bit like the Industy deciding to call EIDE devices SCSI devices. I'm competent, but millions think they have SCSI drives!
FSB Holes in the 680i Chipset;
Bull Sh1t CPU speeds on RD600. :slapass: - gimme a break!
Overclocking since 1989 on various platfroms. I guess there has to be a first-time sometime! :rolleyes:
Whats next, Vista Ultimate on a Creative Muvo 256Mb Mp3 player. - without compression? :D
This kinda leads to another subject which is on the next post as a reply.....
Kin ;)
Hey guys, just started delving into tweaking this board, and figured I'd start with the ram. Currently I have 4Gb's of Ballistix BL2KIT12864AL1005 (2 kits) However, I'm wondering, do the nb voltages affect memory clocks at all? Just because by simply upping mem voltage to rated 2.2V, setting the timings to 5-5-5-18 at 2t and trying to run them at the rated pc2-8000 (500 memory fsb right?) No dice. What else should I be trying to get them up to rated specs so I can go on from there? Thanks.
did try to run memtest86 first to see if the ram works at this speedQuote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
I have 2 x 1GB 10th anniversary crucial...I am at 500 5-6-5-5-18-24-42-3-6-3-2-3--2-2-5-2t with 2.2v(I know your ram is binned better but try this as a starting point)
My Strap is set to auto
Yes NB voltage and other settings may affect ram stability
to run ram @500 make sure strap is set to auto, sync=async
I would at least push NB to 1.36v
also in the bios my ram is set to 499..in winxp=500
I'll give memtest a shot, but I wasn't aware it could test speeds.... Could you explain abit further, I thought memtest only looked for physical defects.
Hi nealh,Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Running Sync on this board seems hard to do over 372 fsb for me. I know I'm on Geil 4300, but the OCZ just wouldnt go any further. Effectively, it's a dead end with my CPU.
Running Async, I could get DDR540 @ 2.4v but with the CPU on 380fsb, I was still faster at 360fsb 1:1 with Geil 4300 @ 2.1V 4-4-4-12 1T.
Also, dropping the Multi to 7 x 464 was nice to see. I had around 8700 Mb/sec
with a CPU flapping around in massive bandwidth that it couldnt fill. Bandwidth efficiency with the 300 or 333 Strap left Bandwidth Efficiency down @ 36%! :(
Benchies were on par, but everything was Volted-to-bits to get there so it was all a bit pointless. I really am not sure if I was right on top of the Strap/Sync combos whilst using the OCZ 9200 so you will have to experiment.
I found that the 300 Strap was about 550mb/sec slower than 266, but the Ram stayed at 1:1. Same with 333 Strap from what I recall, just lower than 300 by about the same margin.
When you select 200 Strap, don't give in easily. You might have to reduce your Multiplier to get a boot, but check out the bandwidth results! I know I saw 76% Efficiency, but gave up trying to get stable. I was a bit of a noob on the PLL overclocking then! ;)
Right now, I'm trying to hang on to 372fsb 1:1 4-4-4-12 1T & had to push up the board voltages slightly overstock. 1:1 is definately the best way for me on this ram. Anything else just sucks! :D
Just remeber that above 266Strap will be kinder to your ram, but will affect Sisoft by around 500 to 550Mb/Sec.
Have a look at the bandwidths at easily obtainable fsb's using 200 Strap. A few hours & you should have your head around what does what - & what goes where! Keep notes...it'll defo help.
I havn't quite yet worked out if the Chipset is lacking in bandwidth as it doesn't do what i'd be expecting it to do when reaching certain FSB curves. I was having a bad time around 400fsb getting the voltages set just right. I noticed my bandwidth had just reduced by 500 mb/sec, yet all the Straps were still set! :confused: I just couldnt get it back. :confused: Dunno if i'd fallen in a hole, but it didn't feel right. Loading a known working saved setting & then a corrupt Windows start forced me to turn the PC off & reset CMOS. :mad: Iv'e seen this @ 372 FSB 1:1 too....about half an hour ago....Turned off Comp at Dos prompt that files are corrupted...turn back on...it boots.
Gunno have to sort this fast!!
Having already done 464 for no gain, I gave up trying for a mid range compromise, largely cos Async is poor for me!
As I left answer to "cadaveca" on my previous post, I have to whole heartedly agree, This board absoutely rocks! I feel it would have been a better product & ROCKED even more if AMD wern't lurking when they were! ..But then I'm a bit of a Cynical old git thesedays.....Age inflicted but hell, I can always pour another JD. :D
I feel the FSB's arn't quite doing what they should be doing at certain curves & wonder if this ties in with Tony Discovering 3T faster than 1T back a while!
He was on crazy fsb's & multi's at the time, - might even be in the first half dozen pages of this thread I think, or maybe the Repository?
Perhaps this is why & where some progs read incorrectly for CPU Mhz'dge when at a particular Multi and/or FSB setting. :confused:
Anyways nealh, always Remember 1:1 will be harder on your NB, CPU & Ram than Asyn can ever be! This will result in a slightly lower clock, but the bandwidth effciency gain compensates for the clk loss. This might also mean voltage ups for stability. Don't forget the notes & compare Efficiency, Mb/Sec, FSB. Try slightly faster FSB's on same strapping/multi combos & see how much quicker the curve UP is, than ASYNC. Do 3DMark01 runs & see what 10Mhz extra on the fsb @ 1:1 does for Dragothic going over the wall. :cool:
I`m dry & fingers are nearly bleeding. Not sure if I just imagined Ice hitting glass tumblers again...gotta go check! :D
Hope this helps & yeah, I'm back on the 12/22. Beta .041 defo has s bit more bandwidth. I'd avise staying on 12/22 to get stable. when you have found your MAX, get .041 onto a floppy for a Dos Boot & flash, reset & save your Bios Config to the Bios Store, ...heh :D, then turn off PC. Press n hold reset , press and hold Power Button holding for 5 seconds..then let go reset & boot up for a DOS flash at default bios settings. You know what to then eh!
Get some Ref figures with 3Dmark/Sisoft bandwidth/Super Pi 1Mbs ASYNC before you try. Make notes! ;)
I got some voltages you can try for 380ish FSBs if you get stuck. Just PM me if you think I can help you at all.
Kin :)
PS Hope u don't have to "Ram Dance" @ default bios ...forgot to say! :p:
Forgot to say above, it'd be cool if you come back on this. I dont know if its the Chipset that cant handle fast 1:1 FSBs it or the CPU. You have a better CPU than me, so if we cant get you better than me at a 372 fsb, then it has to be chipset or a blend of CPU/Strap. I've managed to tweak from getting orthos crashing @ 360 1:1 to ...1 hour stable- "stopped by me" @ 372fsb!
53850 01 marks from GX2.
I'm still testing some settings but I did manage to part bench @ 400 1:1. Dragothic maxxed out a lot of it & never left the 900's.
I might be able to get 400 with GTL tweaks but thats another story for another time later! I`m still working on it & trying to get a listing of my settings that worked together.
L8rz
Great infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I have no floppy so winflash for me...
do you find running at 3400 cpu and 1:1 gives you equal performance vs say 3500 with async and higherram clocks
I always thought cpu mhz is still king with C2D....I have to look back at some of my bios settings but at one point I was 3400 stable at 1T ram cant recall if I was sync at 1:1 at 380
BTW I get 6800-6900 mb/sec on sandra for ram at 3500(9x 390):500 async 2t
well..I went ahead and dropped down to 3420(8x 380) with 1.4625..24hr blend stable settings and set it to sync 380....well...I got it to post and moved to the second screen..update and hung..soooQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I reset and it posted...then went to second screen and said updating DMI....hung
Reset..and nothing...blank screen
turned off...tried EZclear instruction, clear cmos with jumper...removed battery for 10 min with clear cmos jumper
Nothing...I cant get a post...I have removed 1 stick...placed a stick in slot 1,2,3...nothing..I cant get any boot
I get a C1 error......I have no other sticks of DD2
Why, oh why do I not just quit screwing around...never worth the aggravation
So..now I am removing ATX, 8pin, removed battery, clear cmos jumper set...off to bed for me
Hopefully tomorrow..I can get a reboot at least...if not I will need to buy a damn stick of cheap ram and hope I can get a boot...
No place but Best buy, Circuit city or Compusa ...what type of ram should I get
My crucial worked fine on my initial build...I have never seen a bios do this...
I did not push any farther than I did earlier...(I tired 9x 390 1:1..without this)
this time was I went 380x 9..with auto strap, sync....crap
No more for tweaking until they get a better bios.....
Well, I can't seem to get it to go above 487 on the memory... And then it won't survive an overnight run of two prime 95 instances (one per core) and super pi 32m loops, though it runs them without throwing errors, so the reboot might have been due to something the os did. Tried upping voltage to 2.25 on the ram, didn't it allow to budge, 487 is where it sticks... Need to figure out why.
Sorry to hear this bad news. :( Surely, the Crucial is okay for RMA with a lifetime warranty!? That is,......If it has died of course!? .....It could be the Board. Perhaps your best option would be to get your board to a supplier to try another Ram stick or three before writing the board off! I've been here several times so I know how you must be feeling. I know your PSU has some good reviews on not loosing when under load, but that X1950 is a Power Hungry Monster, especially when OC'eed. Are you sure it's upto the demand you are putting on her? Again, just another thought worth considering. Hope you find solution really quickly, best of luck m8y! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Also, try both your ram sticks in diff slots - 3 is usually a winner. I have seen Dual kits fail to post with 1 stick, but ok on the other.
I wonder if SYNC at these speeds is just too much to ask of the CPU rather than the Chipset, with the weakest link blowing it's Ass in the process. Does anyone have any information pertaining these circumstances?
With regard to your 6800-6900 mb/sec on sandra for ram at 3500(9x 390):500 async 2t, - I'm at 7400+Mb/sec 63% efficiency at 3347Mhz (9 x 372) SYNC 266Strap, 4-4-4-12 1T.
The DFI RD600 is a nice stable board this is what iam using for 24/7 for mine nuclear reactor QX6700 LOL.
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my setup was run at 3500/500 with x1900xt at set speeds(but remember in 2D/startup it is at 500/594..ie default..only 675/800 in 3D mode)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I ran 20 hrs of blend at these settings, 3Dmark05,3Dmark06, win memtest for 1000%...so no issues with that
Mind you I set my cpu to 380x8=3420 @ 1.4625 which was known to run 24hrs of blend(3Dmark etc) with ram at cas 4-4-4-4-18-2t 400,async
The only change was sync ram and lowered its cas settings(from 500mhz 5-6-5-5) because when it is at 400 or less mhz it sometimes at cas5 wont boot
The hardware could fail at any time of course but I highly doubt the PSU died at that exact moment
RAM was never on more than 2.2v(verified this is 100% ok with crucial)
The board will not clear or killed my ram or something...seems bizarre to me....I left battery out, clear cmos jumper set, atx/8pin removed, unplugged DVDrw, HDD..only thing left plugged in a few fan..unplugged speakers etc
All I get is a C1 error.....this board is so frustrating..yes in theory I was tinkering but I never had a board that you could not clear the CMOS trying the above stuff
If the board is dead this amazingly fragile crap...I mean 3400 sync 380 1:1 as a test and it wont post
My crucial when first installed would post in slot 1&3 at 1.8v the board defaulted too: but the cmos is not clearing to allow ram to work IMHO its the bios not resetting itself back to defaults....
I am trying to decide how to proceed I am going to get a cheap stick of ram that I hope is rated to 1.8v....and hopefully post..if not RMAing it...and will sell the new one
I think I will go with BadAxe2...seems like you cant get a great fsb but you can get 380/390 with this crap
Look the board is sold to people like us..who tinker...I need nothing really extreme.....
I tried BA2 after RD600. I had a ver 505 of the board & it sucked. Legacy USB issues (BIG TIME) CPUz reporting Multi at 6 when it was Bios LOCKED at 9. ROFL....I have an ES CPU dammit! :mad: ....Board is a right messy farce from what I saw of it. I read elsewhere they are now making over-clocking floppy disks now!?!?!?...I didn`t bother reading anymore cr4p & RMA'd it's ass along with the OCZ 9200 & went back to RD600 & Geil 4300. Bank is better off for Ģ480 anyways; Legacy USB is fine & CPU Mhz-idge is way better; & resetting CMOS is easy compared to needing 3 hands the size of an Aztec Pigmy on BA2. The ONLY plus for me on the BA2 was Matrix Raid. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Dunno about the 505, but earlier Revs still need V-Mods to go much further.
Just don`t forget, as fragile as DFI LP mobos have been in the past for me, it's a case of when you have a good one, just turn all the right taps on ....& it works without performing Hardware Mods.
*edit* I did read somewhere that anything over around 370fsb ( I can't remember exactly) the Strap will need to be set @ 300 or above for stable Fast FSB's. I'm wondering if the 266 Strap @ 372fsb 1:1 is right on the edge & thats why I get the Odd corrupt boot sometimes!? Like I said earlier, powering off & back on gets rid of this. Someone like Tony or Raja might be able to shed some light on this subject!? ;)
Any ideas fellas?
Best Wishes,
Kin :)
Good points..why I bought RD600Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
so were RMAing you dead mobos to DFI?
NO issues with BadAxe2 here, except for slot-distance...not enough room for my DD Tyee blocks.
I'll say it again..RD600 is Intel version of RD580. Very old chipset, in the scheme of things.
CAS5 not working right is because you must adjust secondary timings. Board is tweaked for 1200mhz 4-4-4-x. Well, bios is, anyway.
my ram if I set it to 400mhz does not like cas5 sometimes..so when I went to test 380 1:1 sync...I lowered my cpu vcore to what was 24hrs blend stable, reset my ram for settings that worked at 400mhz 4-4-4-4-18-2t with 2.2v...I saved settings and rebooted and it said verifying at the second screen..this happens once in awhile and reset and usually will bootQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
so I reset..then it said updating DMI and hungat second screen(no biggie I tohught happened before at higher sync setting of 390) so I reset again to enter bios and change settings and now no post...just C1 error
no m8y....straight back to the Supplier. But you gotta be sure the Board is dead or they might charge Test fees. You gotta get hold of another brand of ram & try to be sure. My second board took 2 x 512Mb Geil 6400 first time. Then I tried 2 x 1gb 4300's, (the ones I use now) & got a C1 error. Then I put the 6400's in & got a C1?? Tried both sticks of 6400 on their own in slot 3...still got a C1 error. Put 1 stick of 4300 in slot 3, still got a C1. Then swapped for the other 4300 in Slot 3 & got a Post??????? Put the remaining 4300 in slot 1 that didnt post in slot 3 on it's own!......AND IT F'KIN POSTED??????Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Worked fine for 3 days on Air with Stock Voltages ...went in it's box for 2 weeks, ......finished the Water Cooled Case & the Board was DEAD on first power up!?!?
No Diagnostic LED's, ...no CPU Fan Spin up, ....but the Yellow LED by the ATX connector Lit up? Since I upgraded to a personal Mk III RD600, I've been fine so far & this 4300 Geil RAM is fine at Default Bios Settings. Looking back, there has never been anything wrong with my Ram SPD timings. It all points towards the mobos being faulty in the first place.
*edit* Double post...soz!
Nealh:
Yes, RD600 is not likin' Crucial's SPD, or something. I have many crucial sets, and almost all have issues in RD600, but not in BadAxe2, Bad Axe1, or P5WDH. Again, like with other boards that have issues booting micron, this is generally a timing issue.
However, sometimes these DIMMs die. I do have one set which has one stick that just does not boot SPD timings on ANY board...even tho it's mate will 10 out of 10 times. But i have been finding that alot of boards boot with TRD much tighter than SPD timings, and this MAY be part of the issue, however I think it's more likely that your sticks are starting to go bad. I opened a thread a while ago about crucial changing PCB's on me(some of my sets are different), and this has ponited out to me the differences between the problematic sticks, and those that works fine...there are a slew of different resistors and such on the memory PCB that have different values than the older sticks.
Do your crucial's have gold lettering on the edge, or not?
We know this already & are aware it became old before it's time due to delay after delay. Intels NDA was causing headaches; AMD was lurking around readying to swallow up ATI; DFI were even going through BIG Internal changes. This Chipset just really didn't get the attention it needed & perhaps the board design also lacked slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
From what I saw of BA2, the benchies were comparable. Just due to the Ram Ratios & how it all worked together, I was looking at shelling out another Ģ287 on RAM to get the BA2 as fast as the RD600 on 4300. Likewise, the RD600 on OCZ9200 just couldn't justify itself in any manner.
BA 2 Leagacy USB is just utter cr4p. Intel have never got it right. Abit boards never got it quite right, but Asus did!? BA2 USB Legacy fails when you actually need input...up to that point, my mouse/keyboard was always lit. :rolleyes:
I'm glad you're happy with BA2. maybe I was unlucky & had a cr4p board, but after shelling out Ģ350 on a 1KW PC P&C PSU, If you think I'm happy seeing the 3.3V rail undervolting, you'd be wrong! You also be wrong thinking it's ever right to have an ES CPU & yet still NOT be able to get to the Multis. Now Changing Multis on an Intel Chipset is something worth looking at. If DFI released a 975x UT LP based board, I'd be one of the first to pre-order.
LOL Intel. :D
As I wrote earlier, where SPD issues might have been causing headaches on Board Number 1 & 2 for me, Board Number 3 NEVER has?Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
I haven't modified the DIMMS SPD settings in any way.
@ Nealh:
Did you ever have to do a "Ram Dance" to get this Crucial working on First Power up of the board?
I'm sry, KIn Hell, but until you start posting some better results, I'm afraid your opinion does not need to be repeated to me. I'm quite capable of reading your previous posts, thanks.:stick:
Erm....what results?. Facts Speak for themselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Quote:
As I wrote earlier, where SPD issues might have been causing headaches on Board Number 1 & 2 for me, Board Number 3 NEVER has?
I haven't modified the DIMMS SPD settings in any way.
Unquote:
We're trying to get the Best @ 1:1 resolved here. If you really can't help yourself & want to slag my findings off, at least have the decency to PM me about it. I'll be glad to forward your "Slag Offs" to the Mods. :slap:
Well, if you check, I'm already running 500fsb async, and 450 1:1. :fact: I've already posted my results. Yours differ. Maybe differences in cpu, chipset, ram, maybe user difference.:fact:
I got what you are trying to say, why are you trying to force your opinion on me?
I'm not forcing "Jack" on you cadaveca & only reporting exactly what I have seen. I beg to differ that your system on a lesser multi with 500fsb ASYNC is faster than Higher Multi Lower FSB in SYNC. Once you go anywhere other than 1:1, bandwidth efficiency is compromised. Doesn't matter where you go with lower Multis of Faster FSBs, Lower Multis just suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Opinions are personal, I'm just saying what I've seen.
Lets leave it at this, I have better things to do than argue O/C basics & there is so much do in so little time.
All the Best,
Kin
*edit* Got a link for your Speed results?
lol lower multi, higher fsb, bandwidth efficiency decreases...of course it does! yo are pumping same mhz @ higher bandwidth! Has nothing to do with the lower multi, but basic function of cpu!:stick: Yes, this is affected by bios, and this is what allows this chipset to scale as it does! What's the big deal?:stick:Check my posts, I've posted various scores in various threads. this board sucks in aquamark, but pulls a bit more in 3dMarks than 975. 179,xxx AQ3 RD600=194,xxx 975x. 3Dmarks 20-30points higher in '06. SPI1m 14.344 RD600 13.600 975x. Pretty good for a 2-year old chipset.
well a little update:
Never had to do a RAM dance...
My crucial booted fine right out of the box on my RD600 ...put them in slot 1 & 3....installed everything ...hit power button and post and installed winxp..all at default bios settings of 1.8v and whatever timings never really checked....
Never had any ram issues at all....if pushed it would still post and go into bios and make changes..ram never got more than 2.2v settings...bios reports 2.2v -2.24v
I realize the Crucial could have gotten bad ....
my Crucial are 10th anniv with blue heat spreaders...cant see any gold writing(or any writing for that matter) anywhere..I bought these last nov when Newegg had them for sale(sat for 3 mo before I got my mobo)
anyway..ran to BB and got 1G stick KVR 667 1.8v ram(only thing on sale)....ATX, 8pin unplugge, battery in and cmos jumper on clear for 4 more hrs...reset jumper, plugged everything in again..........popped it inot the mobo and guess what...nothing...C1 error....
I have tried slot 3 and 4...
This board is going back to either DFI or newegg(I really hate to send it to Newegg but I did pay them a$40 premium when the first sold them....
damn it
You appear unable to control yourself. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Did you try a 5+ second HELD Reset/Pwr on with everything ot of the board?Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
I'm sure you have swapped all you can & reckon you will have faster results with New Egg. Depends on thier Terms & Conditions compared to DFI's turn around. I guess I am lucky to have a fair supplier. Furthest I ever got to Registering any DFI board was crashing in IE with SQL Errors in the browser. I gave up after 3 attempts.
should everything be connected? do you unconnect the power supply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
I did try this ...I had ATX/8pin, power cord was attached ..ram was in place...held reset, then pressed power button and waited 4 sec ....released power then reset...tried power same issue
I did with case buttons and buttons on mobo
I am going to go through newegg most likely as I a mpretty sure they have 1 yr replacement warrant...I paid $270..today price was $225
Pull Everything...Power Conns, Floppies, CDROMS, CARDS, CPU, RAM. Then Set Reset CMOS Jumper to pins 2 & 3 & Flip the Battery. Go make a coffee. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Put CMOS Jumper to Run again on 1 & 2, Fit CPU, 1 stick in slot 3, fit graphics card, attatch bare essential power connectors & give PSU Juice. Be sure the Yellow LED by the ATX Board header lights up. Do the EZ Start up procedure. After you've let go of the 5 second RESET hold, you Should get a Double Post, but only Monitor Sync after you hear the second post. If you're alive here, power off & install Stick 2 in slot 1 & just turn it on. If it's dead, turn it off, take out the working Slot 3 Dimm & put the one u just tried in slot one into Slot 3. Then power on. If this is ok, repeat with the last stick into slot 1 again. If it kills it, the board aint right cos u just prooved BOTH sticks work in either channel but not with both together. I had to do this with board #2 & it lasted 3 days @ stock voltages.
Needless to say, if you're still dead, it has to be either the board or it fried your ram whilst it was in Spec voltages. Personally from what I've seen here & your explanation of it all your end, your board has rolled over & died!
Get on to NE & get your ass back in here asap! ;)
Good luck nealh, All the best,
Kin :)
Rolled over and died...amazingly sad IMHO...I did not even push with voltage...just a simple ram setting change...wow
As we have said, the boards are appearing to have some fragility to their electrical abilities whilst remaining @ stock voltages. Either DFI's manufacturing Spec needs looking at or the guys in China are using nasty parts whilst chargingDFI their LP UT Quality prices. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Today I was just messing around to find the max FSB of this board. I could get about 515 with AMD system manager but it wasn't stable at all. The best stability I could get was 510 Mhz FSB just to see what it could do, of course all with very high voltages. I will try under water and phase shortly. Nothing tweaked for SuperPI, Ram at 4-4-4-10 @ 400Mhz, not pushing it at all, just searching for FSB.
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Any problems when mounting the HR-05 on the NB?
No problems. The HR-05 went on the NB and SB easily. I had to use the foam adhesive spacer square the HR-05 came with with added extra stability, but it's on there very solid.
Hmm, nice. Now I'm cursing my days that I sold my HR-05 SLI. :(
How are the temps compared to the standard heatsink?
Thanks.
I actually didn't do much testing with the stock heatsink. The NB temperatures were a little higher but I didn't pump the max volts through it either like I do now from time to time. I'd say the HR-05 is marginally better, nothing groundbreaking.
Look rather Spiff tho'. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
Just imagine I'd won the lottery :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by metalazzo
Then I woke up and found I was dreaming:mad: