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RealTemp GT is designed for the 6 core Gulftown CPUs only. On a dual Quad core system, it will likely show you the first 3 cores of each CPU and not report the fourth core.
That might be room for future expansion. :)Quote:
The realtempGT.ini seems to have values for 8 cores ??
Okay I guess I'm just slow or something. I was told to check my temps on my new 980x I wanted to use the latest RealTempGt, so I downloaded beta 3.58 I think it is. Anyway I also have an ATI 5970 and I tried just adding a line "GPU=2" as the last line of the realtempgt.ini file but no luck getting the program to see or read my Vid card. This is the first time I've tried this program, am I doing something wrong?
Sincere thanks
The ATI code hasn't been added to the publicly available GT version yet. I just finished adding that to RealTemp GT a few days ago so if you want to be the guinea pig then I'll send it your way for testing. My plan was to update the Nvidia code in RealTemp GT before the next release. Maybe tomorrow.
(squeak squeak squeak) sure, now that schools out have the time to help test if you would like. Drop me a PM or however you wish.
Cheers
Link not working anymore, anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
RealTemp 3.58.4 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kolpukroll
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
Another great release uncle. The program is better and better. Sorry I was not available for input, i had all my systems crunching in the Chimp Challenge. Now that is is over, I am all yours :).
Unclewebb, is the link mentioned above the one you were mentioneing for me to try ot does that one still only have the Nv changes?
Sorry bratboy. I've got more projects than time at the moment. I'm still working on fixing up RealTemp GT with better GPU support. i7 Turbo GT is almost ready for beta testing for Gulftown users.
???? The last update was so minor I've already forgot what I fixed. :DQuote:
Another great release uncle.
Thanks for the encouragement.
There is a big difference between Core#3 and Core#6, ~13'C under Prime-load, and ~10'C at Idle, with TJMax=default=96 for all cores.
At Idle, core#6 jumps up and down with ~4'C contiguously, while other cores keep almost constant at +/- 1'C.
Do I have to adjustment something, or this chip/sensor is like this?
Using RealTemp_346 here, but it is the same with RealTemp_358_4.
http://img.techpowerup.org/100513/Capture053.jpg
You will need to contact Intel about the crappy sensors they are using on these new CPUs. The sensors on the original Core i7 CPUs were excellent. Not a single significant issue.
The sensors on these new 32nm chips are not the same. They have multiple issues so once again, like many CPUs that came before the original 45nm Core i7, getting accurate temperatures out of these things is pretty much impossible. Intel does not fully document any of their sensors and they don't recommend that you use them for accurate core temperature reporting. All RealTemp can do is report the bad data coming from these sensors.
I had a theory a while ago that Intel deliberately offsets TJMax slightly from one core to the next to better control the timing of thermal throttling. There seem to be some major TJMax differences in these CPUs but nothing like this is documented so all I can do is guess.
Don't use these sensors to compare your temps to other users. They are only sort of useful to compare your core temperatures from one day to the next on the same CPU. Previous sensors tend to be consistent from day to day so if you change your setup and the temperature drops on core 0 while running Prime95 Small FFTs compared to the day before then the change you made was an improvement. Beyond that, it's mostly random data with too much error and not enough documentation. :(
I see. Thx for your detail answer :).Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5186/realtemp359.png
After many years, I finally bought an over priced QX9650 so I could get RealTemp fixed up. The C0% Load meter should finally work correctly on QX CPUs and the multiplier should be reported correctly if your CPU has internal timers that are functional. Some of the ES processors might be broken.
Post a screen shot if there are any problems.
Thanks for the data you provided me long ago JohnZS. Sorry it took so long to get around to fixing this. :)
Edit: i7 Turbo GT has been updated with Gulftown and QX support. It's ready for some beta testing over here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...94#post4401694
ouch... that must have cost you a leg and half an arm :p:
thanks for the effort u're putting on this project uncle!! much appreciated.
testing 3.59 :up:
Thanks Uncle :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
I have bad news for you, Realtemp 3.59 reports incorrect multiplier and % load values on my C0 stepping QX9650 :(
Any ideas?
Thanks and once again thanks for your continued support and efforts.
John
I always knew your QX9650 was unique. Can you post a screen shot at full load. It seems to work correctly on my C1. At least now I have some hardware to test on so maybe I will make some progress this time. I was working with another user who has a QX9650 - C0 and he was happy so now you've got me curious.
Edit: Here's a couple of tests I did. I ran 3 threads of Prime95 Small FFTs so that gives a very consistent 75% load + an extra percent or two for any background activity. The QX9650 has a default multiplier of 9.0 so I tested with a multiplier both higher and lower than the default and I used the half multi in both of these tests. On this QX9650, the C0% based load meter looks correct and the multiplier is also being reported correctly. If you get a chance can you try running this same test on your QX or any other test you can think of that shows a problem? Thanks John.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4498/qx9650test1.png
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5556/qx9650test2.png
shhhh! Don't tell the wife. :)Quote:
ouch... that must have cost you a leg and half an arm
Hi Unclewebb
Thank you once again for your continued efforts. The multipliers are now reading properly after a reboot.
Not sure if this is of any use, but have a look at this.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3130/rtloadtest.jpg
I will try and do some proper loading with PRIME95 when I have the time to, but does it appear loadtester is not loading anymore?
Multipliers are working though :)
Before they were all over the place, jumping from 7 to 9 when in theory it should change from 6 (idle) to 10 (loading). After a reboot all seems well, perhaps a random glitch somewhere...
John
The Load Tester program is only designed to load 1 core. You would have to run 4 instances of this program to load each core. Prime95 is much easier.
A 90% load on one core of a quad is equivalent to a 22.5% overall load. That plus 3% load for other background processes like CPU-Z and the rest of Windows for a total load of 25.5% is reasonable.
The C0% number is not accurate on some Core 2 CPUs when lightly loaded if the motherboard supports deeper sleep states. On a Core 2 if the calculated C0% is way higher than the actual load at idle then you would be better off using the TM Load option in the Settings window. That will use a Task Manager like load meter instead. The mobile Core 2 can report a very high C0% at idle. On those it is more of a measure of how much the cores are able to go to sleep and save power so a high C0% at idle is a good thing.
The multiplier that RealTemp reports using the internal timers is an average multiplier. If you are using SpeedStep and your idle multiplier is 6.0, when your CPU is partially loaded, the tasks will be rapidly bouncing around from core to core and the multiplier can also be bouncing around all over the place. If the RealTemp multiplier is 100% accurate at full load, then it is also accurate at idle and more accurate than CPU-Z when a CPU is partially loaded.
When testing check out turning on C States. CPU-Z completely ignores what's happening inside your CPU. The multiplier at idle can be bouncing around all over the place. Using the high performance timers within the CPU can provide a very accurate look at the multiplier without needing to put any significant load on the CPU.
The Control Panel -> Power Options -> Minimum processor state controls the CPU multiplier at idle. Check that out when testing.
On my Vista 64 bit it reads 2 degrees hotter than all my other performance programs, other than that it is perfect.
I always run it while doing my OCCT tests, because it displays highest temp reached, so I can walk away and when I look again I might see it's currently at 77C but did hit 78C at some point.
Have you ever thought that maybe RealTemp is right and all those other programs are not? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by caaront
The core temperature can change instantaneously. Most temperature monitoring programs sample the same sensors but they only sample that sensor once per second. A degree or two difference is nothing to be too concerned about. Run a program like Prime95 Small FFTs which equally loads the cores. It results in very consistent core temperatures so all programs should report the same. Post a screen shot of this test if you are still having problems.
Hey ladies&gents...
First of all thank you very much for this usefull tool i use everyday unclewebb, i recently found out about this thread and saw that you are the creater of Real Temp...
Second of all, i'm seriously new with my G15 V2. and i'd like to know can i use any tool, plugin,...etc to use my G15 display to show RealTemp...
Thank you again and keep up the good work... :)
Anyone ? o_O
RealTemp includes a plugin that works with RivaTuner. I used to use this so I could see some data on my G15 so I assume that it would work on your V2 if you want to run RivaTuner. You don't need to have RealTemp running. The plugin is independent. All you need to do is install RivaTuner and then open up the Settings window in RealTemp and tell it where you have the RivaTuner.exe file located. This will install the RTCore.dll plugin into the correct directory of RivaTuner. Then when you open the RivaTuner graphs you should be able to configure it so it uses the RTCore.dll plugin.
I've received very little feedback from users about this plugin so if there are any bugs with it reporting information for your CPU then let me know and I'll see what I can do to fix things up.
The plugin was recently updated and can be downloaded separately here.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...507/RTCore.zip
Unzip it and copy the files into the RealTemp directory and then use RealTemp to install it to RivaTuner or you can copy the files directly to RivaTuner if you know where they go. Post a screen shot if it works. It's been a while. :)
RT plugin is perfect but unfortunately RivaTuner is useless now for his HD5870. :(
Maybe starting from July we'll see that much awaited RivaTuner 2.25.
Hmm... I guess i can't use RivaTuner with my 5870 as "burebista" said...
Maybe you can make a G15 V2 application using LCDStudio or something to make RealTemp G15 friendly, if you have some time of course...
But i'll try RivaTuner+plugin regardless of my 5870...
Thanks for the responses and helps...