terrace, I think it was also done on fewer volts too.
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terrace, I think it was also done on fewer volts too.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrace215
I don't like graphs like that 'zoomed in' they are misleading and at first glance, performance looks to be over 100% increase.
I think that what OPP wanted to highlight is the fact that the Venice is spectacularly closing the gap with the FX53.
must have venice. it sucks my winnie doesn't like the cold
just wanted to say that... to measure cpu performance please don't use 3dmark03 or 05, use 01 or pifast etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
anyway this shows that even with 512kb cache less the venice makes up the speed in some way...
:slap: the cpus were all running at the same clockspeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
yeah yeah, i know, amd told me the same when i talked to them at cebit, but i dont really buy it... i dont think they have an independant line of cpu cores for their turion cpus...Quote:
Originally Posted by texuspete00
its 3dmark 2003!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by terrace215
lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by s0ck
at least one of the guys here got it :P :toast: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I'd rather see the graph start from zero; is it too much to ask? :rolleyes:
3Dmark 2003 doesn't interest me as much as 3Dmark2001 or SuperPI.
How does the performance differ in those benchmarks. I'm interested in performance gain with the same clocks and voltages on venice over winchester. 3Dmark2003 always seems to be rather CPU limited.
EDIT: I meant to add also, a 1% improvement is also very promising when run with the same paramaters. What else do you expect from AMD basically respinning the same chips with a few upgrades. 3Dmark03 obviously doesn't support SSE3, so the only thing that can attribute to the gain is the upgraded mem controller and the few misc bug fixes. That to me says a lot.
Damn this venice makes me go :banana:
I sure can use some more CPU power to fill the memory busses
I know that, but since the venice is faster than the winnie clock for clock I was wondering where the clawhammer 3500+ would fit in, is it slower than the winnie clock for clock?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
No big deal!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
Here you se 3Ghz at 1.3V
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=22352
benchstable..
Cascade -125 C
yeah I too have seen 3.2ghz at 1.35v on an fx55 so what we are seeing isnt out of this world ;)
if you would ask politely we might even do it, but you are demanding something LOL who do you think you are demanding something from opp or me? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by s0ck
and if you really care so much about seeing a graph starting from zero why dont you just make one then? :stick:
go ahead, you have the numbers...
hmmm sorry, i dont want to spill the beans on opps results. his article will be up later today anyways, so if you have a little more patience you will know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Orthogonal
you give me a headache! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
a clawhammer is a clawhammer is a clawhammer. ohhh now i get it, could it be you didnt know that an fx53 is also a clawhammer? :D
go look at the charts, and you will see that a venice is almost as fast as a clwahmmer clock for clock even though it onlyhas half the l2 cache. at least in 2003... :D
braggart :P :D hehehe j/kQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom Holck
this was with a cascade at -125°C though, the venice was only at -40°C :D
and if amd gets them to work at -125°C im sure we will see similar results... and then again dont forget that this is a mid to low end cpu, while the fx55 costs 4 times as much if not more! :D
Are we harsh today , he did ask ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Is that what you call asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by s0ck
Edit: Glad to see things worked out unrealneo :toast:
it is asking cuz at the end of his question he asked if it's too much to ask, apperently it is, however i wouldn't wanna take the time to make a graph either, too many numbers
That's nice @ -125C, but how about @ -25C? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom Holck
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/4923/cpuz30000xe.jpg
dono my temp can't go so high :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
IMHO those are both kick butt speeds. Like arguing over a s2000 or an rx8 :)
What is getting my goat now is that the FX can boot under a multi-cascade situation but the a64s are having problems. Quite puzzling. It has to be a BIOS glitch. It makes no since otherwise why a claw hammer and a newcsl core can go under heavy cascade, but the new 90nm stuff can't. Even the pres'hots' can go under cascade and the are SOI and SS. hmmmm. ARGGG. Would AMD even answer us if we asked? Like sayya said, us super overclockers are about .001% of the computer world. Does AMD or Intel really care if a chip doesn't boot when exposed to temps that would kill any living thing it touched? :? I just dont know
I didn't mean to be arsey, sorry guys :)
I,m just reading this thread, and the results look nice on the extreme cooling, but when are you guys going to test them on Air. (or did i missed this somewhere)
i just cant stand when people demand more in an unfriendly tone instead of beeing thankfull for the hard work others have put into something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little-Iron
asking would look like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
he said:Quote:
can you please make a graph that starts from 0? id really like to see a graph like that :)
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Originally Posted by s0ck
ok, sorry for my :stick: ing :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by s0ck
it seems that there wont be any air tests from opp or pc ice... sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugo van Dijk
i dont know why pc ice didnt do them, but opp clearly said "i dont do air :D"
hehe :D, so no venice air results... but the reviews should be out VERY soon and they will have air results :)
We should all take note,some people may required being ask with afew pretty please first.?? Why are U making a big deal out of this ? Yes he could of asked a little nicer> " YOU " need to re-read the post,the man DIDNTQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
DEMAND anything ,nor was he unfriendly. The problem is on your door step.
I'll not say anymore on this ,not worth it. May you have a good day. :)
to me his post sounded and still sounds unfriendly and demanding, and how am i making a big deal out of it? he explained he didnt mean to sound unfiriendly and i said i apologize for :stick: ing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little-Iron
the problem was that his post could easily be understood as beeing demanding and unfriendly, and i dont think theres a "problem" with me perceiving his post as unfriendly and demanding as im not the only way who understood it that way :)
and again, the only one who is making a big deal out of this is you by bringing it up again after we cleared the misunderstanding and apologized and it was already a thing of the past :P
btw, the AMD Venice Preview from OPP should appear on the front page tonight! (i was too busy to post it yesterday, my bad :slap: )
it is demanding when someone says, id like to see the graph start from 0, thats a demand, and then when they say is that too much to ask? well, from my personal expierience most ppl say that last part harshly when actually speaking anyways, when is opp's post gonna be up?!?!?!