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Originally Posted by perkam
322x9 will slaughter 290x9, its no contest! Plus the 3000+ Venice is cheaper and if im forced to get a new mobo, I might go msi k8n then run like 350x8=2.8GHz which is doable on a venice and run my ram 1:1 thanks to its ondie controller :slobber:
Hey gf4, remember when i told you that venice would be 3800 and 3500, then filter down? And you said no, you were sure that they would come out first at 3000, 3200? Remeber that?
most people say 3000+ thru 3800+ venice is comming. its on amds roadmaps too......
Nice job Steven :toast: :toast: :banana4:
Q If this venice core is able to clock easily to 2.8 plus on air , does this mean that the fx 57 could actually be clocked at 3 gig ? since it is amds best silicon(that we know about) why not give intel a serious scare? come on AMD instead of suing intel (a possibility according to www.theinquirer.net) hit them where it hurts most !!!
Show them whos the BOSS!! :toast:
First of all respect to you steven for clocking a Venice that high, but....
what is up with using SuperPi anyways? It's like whoooh I got 25seconds 1M, So....and...? :confused: :)
You compared a FX55 (291x11 IIRC) to the venice with superpi, and some Sandra benches......why not some benches in real life Games...catch my drift? :)
I mean 95% of all people that have high end systems use them for gaming...so what about a comparison between the FX55 and this Venice?
Facry
HL2 and CS:S
UT2004
Doom3 etc etc....
this way we know what the real life gains are...not just some synthetic (sp) benchmark.....it's not alot of work (if you still have the FX55 setup up and running)
HL2 bench : http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=927
Farcry Bench : http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=830
Umark (UT2004) : http://unrealmark.net/
no offense btw --> :)
I agree with Tim, some 3DMarks would also be interesting - especially 2001. Also prime95 ofc, but then we need to give him some time. Let him hit the definite ceiling first and then go from there. Keep it up!
Yeah, let's post some FPS result for game will be more interesting.
I'd like to see some Prime95 screens now, superpi 1m doesn't say much about stability.
The difference between superpi- and prime-stable can be HUGE
I'd like to know if this cpu can Prime at 3ghz.
To bring you latecomers to the thread up to date--Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
He does not have a good video card to test with, but only a crappy PCI card to see how the CPU clocks.
I believe he has an AGP card and his mobo is PCI Express?
He has a 9800 pro and an agp board, but that doesn't mather that much.
The 3dmark score will be just below or equal to tha FX55 at the same speed.
Stability testing is more important !!!
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Originally Posted by TysonM
Yeah, sorry, I forgot. (Had read the entire thread though.) It'd still be interesting with 2001 and Prime95. Prime95 being most important. Anyway, we have to separate wishes from reality, give him some air.
Ladies and gents:
Everyone needs to chill here. s7e9h3n has been gracious enough to show his results with the new chip, and ever since he has been bombarded with requests, complaints and nags. It is really getting on my nerves - this thread is clogging up so fast it's difficult to track s7e9h3n's postings, which are the only ones that matter since he is the only one that has the chips, please remember this!
For the confused: the "Venice" cores are the Revision E (or E4 stepping) 512KB L2 Socket939 Athlon 64 chips. They are produced on a 90nm strained silicon-on-Insulator process and are SSE3 enabled. IPC simply describes a chip's performance on a per-clock basis - if chip A is faster than chip B at 2GHz, chip A has higher IPC, regardless of how or why. A die shrink does not inherently increase the per-clock output of any semiconducting device, die shrinks increase "performance" in the way of better yields (for a given frequency) and higher frequencies (for a given yield), manufacturers sometimes refer to performance in this way.
If you have further questions or commentary about the chip's architecture, IPC etc. those should be directed to another AMD thread about the Rev. E chips, of which there are many. If you wish to argue with the above paragraph, PM me, do not post your replies here.
Well, because this isn't arguing, just a correction, i'll post it.
Venice Core's have the E3 Stepping, Not E4. E4 is reserved for the San Diego Core'sQuote:
Originally Posted by matt9669
And do we know for certain that Venice has strained silicon? We can only speculate at the moment
Why perma ban for a stability or benchmark? I, and many others, would like to see the stable potential of the chip, not a spi 1m at 2.9. A lot of winnies can suicide that, so it is important tahat we can see a 8hr p95 at whatever level possible
matt9669 that was way out of line. There is no legitimate reason for PERM banning someone that asks for a benchmark. If steven is unhappy with the comments in this thread or doesn't want to be asked questions then let HIM say it. He doesn't need you to say it for him. If you want to find only his posts then search this thread for only his username and read them. Stick to the news next time and leave the moderating to those with better judgement...
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Techmasta
Yeah, I agree people should stop begging and nitpicking (people should assume stephen hass a life outside of OC'ing) but I will put my neck out there to say that you are out of line Matt. What we can't discuss anything you posted without PM'ing? I guess it's all law based on your mod status?
Other mods disagree with you on the IPC thing. Some will go and say if a winchester outperforms a newcastle both at 11*200 the winnie has higher IPC, basically using the whole MHz * IPC = Performance relationship. But IPC can also be discussed more in depth and slightly differently. You can say something like an Athlon 64 can do 6 arithmetic operations per cycle and 3 floating point... for example. This does not change newcastle-> winchester-> venice. When you look at it this way, SSE3 and such, while boosting performance, is not a boost to IPC. Every little thing that boosts performance without MHz is not always considered increasing IPC for those looking beyond MHz * IPC= Perf. The errata consequence model discussed was good info on reasons for perhaps higher performance. I haven't looked into the validity as a whole. But please consider all facts before using your divine powers to shut down discussion.
I think GF sometimes says higher IPC when it would be more correct to say cpu x is faster than cpu y clock per clock. The way it's misused, it wouldn't be far fetched to say an FX has a higher IPC than non FX. While cache equates for more performance, not all of us would say it has a higher IPC. An FX has the SAME IPC. It just has the other advantages that come with more cache, like reaching out and waiting for system mem less.
Quoted for agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Techmasta
Now this thread is getting really off topic. Could a mod just remove all posts other than steven's and those on topic?
Thanks
You guys are right about the 1m super pi test doesn't really show stability.
The 16m test would be better, or of course Prime 95.
Anything like that would show the stability, as well as if he could mark down the temps at full load on these tests.
Stephen: how about testing the 3500 now, as it's more of an affordable chip for us humble people where as the 3800 is a few hundred notes more :)
Andy
bah, it's an open forum. the manner and arena in which this is posted clearly invites comments, questions, speculation, and yes even in some cases stupidity. clearly not a bannable offense simply because it gets on your oh so sensitive nerves. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by matt9669
great results s7e9h3n :toast: thanks for sharing....
Why not? SPi is enough. Who cares about stability here, there are no rewards for stable systems. That's why this site isn't called "xtreme stable systems.org."Quote:
Originally Posted by zA.Gosu
ppl DO have lives outside of providing requested benches on 0-day hardware, give the guy a break eh.
be grateful for what u have seen so far ....when he gets a firmer grip i'm sure he will do some stability posts :)
:D Subscribed, and the definition of stable is also depending on each person's personally view, some poeple definate their rig as stable when only gettin' a screenie and others say it is only stable if running 24/7 prime95 for 3 month........Quote:
Originally Posted by HaLDoL
:toast:
Sure there is, actually being able to use the computer i just paid a 1000$ for is my reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaLDoL