AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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10-30-2010, 10:02 AM
Flying duck

@ Helix
So not reliable then...
10-30-2010, 10:04 AM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

I disagree.

Most people are still on X1900 and 8800GT's.. most didn't jump on the dx11 bandwagon (5000 series), because their gaming cards still work fine. But now that most are switching to Win7 as bonofide dx11 games are out.

So, expect a good majority of gamers to go GPU hunting this holiday season.

+1 all those folks with 8800's need to upgrade at some point...
10-30-2010, 10:21 AM
csatahajos

Gents!

To get the discussion back on topic there are some new leaks which haven't been posted here AFAIK:

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-10/26439_01110.jpg

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-10/26439_011101.jpg

Seems we will get our 2 GB of VRAM after all :D...wonder if Antilles gets 4 then....
10-30-2010, 10:39 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by csatahajos

Gents!

To get the discussion back on topic there are some new leaks which haven't been posted here AFAIK

Seems we will get our 2 GB of VRAM after all :D...wonder if Antilles gets 4 then....

posted some 2-5 pages ago...

no news so far...
10-30-2010, 11:00 AM
Mechanical Man

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

Yes, but most people already have upgraded to a GTX 400 series or a 5870/50, and if you have any of those cards, you are probably good for another 2 years, since most games coming out dont demand much horsepower.

LOL

AMD has delivered some 25+ million hd5k chips (and that has all different chips) nVidia 10% of that of 4xx series. And you have gourage to say "most have already upgraded". Get your head out of ur arse, even if your friends have, it does not translate to everybody has.

For example, i upgraded just now, and only cos i got hd6870 for 189€. Btw I had hd3870 that i bought for some odd 150€ many years ago.
10-30-2010, 11:21 AM
SimBy

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelixPC

Yes, but most people already have upgraded to a GTX 400 series or a 5870/50, and if you have any of those cards, you are probably good for another 2 years, since most games coming out dont demand much horsepower.

Have you checked DX11 market share lately? I believe it's below 10% overall.

MOST people have not upgraded yet to DX11 gen. And steady amount of units sold by both AMD and nV every quarter are proof of that.
10-30-2010, 11:56 AM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by generics_user

posted some 2-5 pages ago...

no news so far...

Same ROPs as 5870/6870 and twice the Geometry processing.
I sense two tessellation units for this single Gpu.
see as the rops are the same as 5870/6870.
it would make sense to beef up that only part of the chip.
10-30-2010, 12:05 PM
hurrdurr

^ Wouldn't that make, in theory, 6970 only 2 times faster in tessellation than 5870? AFAIK they are claiming much higher numbers.
10-30-2010, 12:46 PM
Dimitriman

I swear to god i saw 2 units for pro and 3 units for xt somewhere in an amd slide. but since it was a while ago take it with a grain of salt. but imagine those same 3 units in each of antilles cores.
10-30-2010, 01:03 PM
Sn0wm@n

can we continue with the antilles fun fact of the day ??? :D

those used to be fun
10-30-2010, 01:05 PM
Mad Pistol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I swear to god i saw 2 units for pro and 3 units for xt somewhere in an amd slide. but since it was a while ago take it with a grain of salt. but imagine those same 3 units in each of antilles cores.

I just pray that Tessellation is beefed up enough to be competitive with Nvidia's offerings. As of right now, it's not important. However, it will become important in the near future. Tessellation is the new "shader." It's a novelty that will make games look that much more impressive without a lot of extra work.

I really hope AMD sees it that way. Otherwise, the GTX 580 may win, and nvidia may gouge prices again. I seriously want a big, fat, price war so that we can't make a bad decision on which ever card we choose. I hate it when this market becomes one sided.

Here's the way I see.

First, there were vertex and texture mapping.
Next, we got pixel shaders
Then, we got enhanced lightmaps.
Then, we got self-shadowing characters and advanced lighting.
Then, we got HDR.

And NOW, we're on Tessellation.

So who's going to win this race?
10-30-2010, 01:10 PM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Pistol

I just pray that Tessellation is beefed up enough to be competitive with Nvidia's offerings. As of right now, it's not important. However, it will become important in the near future. Tessellation is the new "shader." It's a novelty that will make games look that much more impressive without a lot of extra work.

I really hope AMD sees it that way. Otherwise, the GTX 580 may win, and nvidia may gouge prices again. I seriously want a big, fat, price war so that we can't make a bad decision on which ever card we choose. I hate it when this market becomes one sided.

Im pretty sure AMD sees it that way, as tesselation was in ATi chips for long time, it was shame no-one used it before it got into DX.
10-30-2010, 01:11 PM
Calmatory

Antilles will be greater than GKxxx :)
10-30-2010, 01:13 PM
Mad Pistol

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Antilles will be greater than GKxxx :)

I will laugh if Kepler turns out like Fermi, only this time, Kepler will use 450-watts.

Just imagine a 6-pin and 2 x 8-pin power connectors on one card. :rofl:
10-30-2010, 01:20 PM
Sn0wm@n

nvidia's method .. big things .. no plan b ... blame the tooth fairy if something goes wrong

i really dont see 28nm fermi refresh doing a great job .... 22nm might be something different ...
10-30-2010, 03:01 PM
Sam_oslo

What do you guys mean about this Nordichardwa is saying?:

Quote:

GeForce GTX 580 will most likely be the most powerful single-GPU graphcis card on the market in 2010. Now that we have the complete specifications for NVIDIA's GF110 GPU it becomes clear that NVIDIA is attempting to do what it failed to with GTX 480 - going all in - to win the performance war against AMD.
10-30-2010, 03:03 PM
Sn0wm@n

do they have a gpu in hand to prove such wild claims???
10-30-2010, 03:10 PM
Boissez

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

What do you guys mean about this Nordichardwa is saying?:

According to them they bumped the clocks 10% and the cores 7%. Hardly enough to beat the HD5970 performance which is where Cayman supposedly lies. But they should be very close though. I'd pick the cheapest one of the two.
10-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Solus Corvus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

What do you guys mean about this Nordichardwa is saying?:

I sincerely hope Nvidia has something to compete with. As a customer, I hope both companies make huge advances yet end up with similar performance so they have to fight over price.
10-30-2010, 03:38 PM
HelixPC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoulz

I disagree.

Most people are still on X1900 and 8800GT's.. most didn't jump on the dx11 bandwagon (5000 series), because their gaming cards still work fine. But now that most are switching to Win7 as bonofide dx11 games are out.

So, expect a good majority of gamers to go GPU hunting this holiday season.

i dont know a single person that uses an X1900, i know some people that have 8800GT's, i have a computer strore, so i speak on experience.
10-30-2010, 03:41 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

do they have a gpu in hand to prove such wild claims???

Numbers we've seen so far have seemed pretty impressive... see below.

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Originally Posted by Boissez

According to them they bumped the clocks 10% and the cores 7%. Hardly enough to beat the HD5970 performance which is where Cayman supposedly lies. But they should be very close though. I'd pick the cheapest one of the two.

Current benchmarks we've seen have shown the GTX 580 at stock taking down a GTX 480 at over 900 mhz. They apparently did more than just kick up the clocks to 772mhz and increase the shader count... :up:

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

I sincerely hope Nvidia has something to compete with. As a customer, I hope both companies make huge advances yet end up with similar performance so they have to fight over price.

Bingo... Someone gets it. I want to see them trade blows once again, because when that happens WE win. :clap:
10-30-2010, 03:49 PM
SimBy

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelixPC

i dont know a single person that uses an X1900, i know some people that have 8800GT's, i have a computer strore, so i speak on experience.

Maybe you should check the latest Steam HW survey and educate yourself :p:
10-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Dimitriman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

What do you guys mean about this Nordichardwa is saying?:

Fair enough. But they actually know Caymans exact performance?
10-30-2010, 03:54 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Fair enough. But they actually know Caymans exact performance?

They could be basing it off the leaked Vantage scores, which no one knows if they're actually real so its basically a whole lot of arguing over *possible* slides
10-30-2010, 03:54 PM
SimBy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Fair enough. But they actually know Caymans exact performance?

Of course they don't. That being said, my bet is Cayman XT and GTX 580 paper edition are gonna be neck to neck.

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