HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

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09-24-2009, 05:13 AM
Kurz

I guess its finally Time to upgrade my 1950XT to 5870 ^^
Though I wonder if my MCW60 will fit >.>
09-24-2009, 05:24 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by LOE

the multi monitor trickery is nice, but I cant think of a person I know who will go for it, and I know nut cases.

I'm in the same boat. It looks pretty but I don't know anyone who would jump on it and the need for at least one monitor to have a Displayport is a pain.
09-24-2009, 05:28 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by kuhla

I made this for friends and I'm not really sure if anyone here cares but I punched together Anand's test data and combined it with newegg prices for a price/performance spreadsheet. I only used 1920x1200 since that is the resolution that almost all my friends and I play at. I also only selected certian single-gpu cards since my friends and I are very hesitant to consider SLI/CF.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...uBinQTPKpUYZaA

Definitely fast but you are still paying a tiny premium for that class leading performance/features. GTX275 and GTX285 lose horribly in price/performance to the 4890. The 4870 (1GB) seems to be currently the best deal on the ATI side and the GTX260 (216) is the best deal on the Nvidia side.

Interested to see how the 5850 might change things. Also wondering if prices will fluctuate as the market adapts to the new king.

nice spreadsheet, but i also notice that the framerate of many older more value cards are not even playable. if a person has a minimum setting they need, this can have a big factor. also with the way things scale up, if that was done at 2560 with 4-8xAA i bet the 5870 would win in frame/$ due to the massive bottle neck many other cards would see. (even though frames would be like 3 vs 15, horrible, but scaled in favor)

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With the HD 5850 it gets even better as it can be overclocked via Voltage Tweak to 1050MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for the memory by raising the voltage from 1.088V to 1.4V.

6501 to 8987 for the HD 5850.

god i so will be getting one of those to WC (need more info on fitting standard blocks or modifying older ones.)
09-24-2009, 06:03 AM
Vinas

Well LOE, you can always wait. ;)

I use triple monitors for several years now with a TH2G that I paid $300 for. The ATi display will be a very useful feature if it works as good as the triple head 2 go. It will change the way games are played trust me on that. Everyone who's seen my 57" of monitor real estate and have experienced true peripheral vision in games... they all love it. Multi monitor gaming is the future and it's here finally for people to experience without buying a stand alone device.
09-24-2009, 06:23 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by kuhla

I made this for friends and I'm not really sure if anyone here cares but I punched together Anand's test data and combined it with newegg prices for a price/performance spreadsheet. I only used 1920x1200 since that is the resolution that almost all my friends and I play at. I also only selected certian single-gpu cards since my friends and I are very hesitant to consider SLI/CF.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...uBinQTPKpUYZaA

Definitely fast but you are still paying a tiny premium for that class leading performance/features. GTX275 and GTX285 lose horribly in price/performance to the 4890. The 4870 (1GB) seems to be currently the best deal on the ATI side and the GTX260 (216) is the best deal on the Nvidia side.

Interested to see how the 5850 might change things. Also wondering if prices will fluctuate as the market adapts to the new king.

sweet, thanks for sharing that! :toast:
09-24-2009, 07:25 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by LOE

Thats the trick, to wait just as long as you have to, cuz if you wait too long you also loose efficiency

You need to wait for the bell shaped curve to hit it's climax ;)

Having peripheral vision is cool, but rending it at high quality is a little bit like wasting. Peripheral vision reacts on large details so maybe some kind of optimization is required before wasting too much power on things we hardly see 99.99% of the time. Maybe lower LOD is appropriate in that case.

i think we will see a limit with ~8000x2000 total resolution, curved, and at 240FPS, beyond that i think the human eye couldnt tell the difference.
09-24-2009, 07:36 AM
W1zzard

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i think we will see a limit with ~8000x2000 total resolution, curved, and at 240FPS, beyond that i think the human eye couldnt tell the difference.

no, no, no and no. good post otherwise
09-24-2009, 08:10 AM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i think we will see a limit with ~8000x2000 total resolution, curved, and at 240FPS, beyond that i think the human eye couldnt tell the difference.

human eye = ~250MP

8000x2000 = 16MP

we're a good bit off 250MP.
09-24-2009, 08:24 AM
Sh1tyMcGee

wow, i think im going to pick up 2 5850's instead of 1 5870, $399+ tax is 440, 260x2 is $520 with tax $572, $132 more and you get much better performance.
09-24-2009, 08:25 AM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by LOE

WHAT I SAID earlier applies only to people who own previous generation high end, some people need better reading skills it seems :P

currently, even keeping battleforge in mind, the only noticeable advantage HD5870 has is power consumption, but somehow I doubt that alone is justifying an upgrade for those people, maybe those who run sli or xfire will benefit more from purchasing a HD5870 as it offers similar performance at a lot lower power usage.

the multi monitor trickery is nice, but I cant think of a person I know who will go for it, and I know nut cases. Also for this to be a viable option for me we need to see new and suitable monitors, as having black frames all over is not too cool. Actually I think of someone who might be interested in six monitors support, not for gaming - but for tracking the stock market. You can never have enough displays there.

For all those with old and outdated hardware, as well as people who purchase new systems - if you are looking for high end - the HD5870 is THE CARD to get, I think there is no second opinion about it

been an nvidia user all my life, but now I begin to reconsider. I will however wait for nvidia, as there is no need to rush into new hardware, not only in terms of driver maturity and software support, but stability as well, currently the HD5870 has been only tested for a short while by a few websites, god forbid there is some timebomb design issue, like nvidia had recently :)

patience is a virtue ;) it takes a good sense of timing to get the most out of it

That was my reason to upgrade!
Power saving and that I had 512MB cards and moved to 1920x1200 screen res decided for me. DX11 will be a bonus ...
Besides I got Dirt 2 which I was going to buy anyway and Battlestations Meadway (not too interested in, but I will have a look at it) with the card.
I hope that by the Christmas time 5870 will be down to $259 which will make it much more affordable for many people.
09-24-2009, 08:39 AM
drizzt5

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Originally Posted by Lightman

That was my reason to upgrade!
Power saving and that I had 512MB cards and moved to 1920x1200 screen res decided for me. DX11 will be a bonus ...
Besides I got Dirt 2 which I was going to buy anyway and Battlestations Meadway (not too interested in, but I will have a look at it) with the card.
I hope that by the Christmas time 5870 will be down to $259 which will make it much more affordable for many people.

@ $259 by this Christmas? Doubt it unless nvidia releases something. This card is going to be above $300 for a while longer.
09-24-2009, 08:40 AM
omega1alpha

Great post. I was actually thinking along the same lines, but didn't have the ballz to post because I had a feeling that a ton of folk around here would gang up and trash me to hell. Actually, I could use the laugh, but it's still unnecessary. I've always felt that what people do with their money is their business, but we obviously don't live in a vacuum. What the majority (or influential minority) do will definitely impact industry/business decisions and impact pricing and the such. So, having solid and rational buying decisions will lead to favorable consumer scenarios....

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Originally Posted by LOE

Keeping the lack of any decent DX11 advantages the HD5xxx has today due to the absence of any games to offer them - only a complete fool would make such an unnecessary upgrade. People that own last gen high end cards are far better off sticking to their "old" hardware that is fast enough to do the job. In time DX11 games will show up, drivers will mature and prices will fall.

Of course all the people with no lives who buy the fastest hardware to compensate for a small penis or something, and last but not least - people that are into breaking records - those people will get the latest and greatest without being pushed.

The time is always right to do what's right, but getting an overpriced piece of hardware with no software support is not "right" - and for things that are not right there is the term called "timing". If you are interested in getting the most for your buck, or in other words - EFFICIENCY - the perfect timing is the one and only way to do so.
09-24-2009, 08:45 AM
LC_Nab

Hey ! small penis or not it gets the job done.

lol :D

And I like the idea of 3 monitors , after all LCD's these days are dirt cheap .

QUOTE/@ $259 by this Christmas? Doubt it unless nvidia releases something. This card is going to be above $300 for a while longer.

Actually they will, not because of nvdia but because of the new other 5xxx series coming out and also the x2 versions . Not to mention they know that 4xxx series do a good job , so they are forced to if they want to sell their new high end cards .
09-24-2009, 08:52 AM
jaredpace

5870 Tri-Fire review (sorry if repost):

http://i38.tinypic.com/2qapr1v.jpg

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...le_CrossFireX/
09-24-2009, 09:59 AM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by cegras

That's fine and dandy. Just don't let us catch you talking about 'the fastest card on the planet from nvidia, no matter what.'
(

I think LOE advice applies to most people those, I am not most people.

I am trying to get more points for the hwbot team I belong to. Nothing close to world records, by trying to get hwcanucks to 2nd place again. This was also part of LOE advice, as I hardly game, so I am hardly doing it for gaming purposes in which LOE advice applies.

From how calamity is trying to point it, it seems that there is shame not upgrading from the previous high end. This is foolish those because the previous high end provided more than adequate performance and for the most part except crysis or people with 2500*1600 monitors(which are few and far between), the increase in visual quality is nothing, or even non existent for people who have 4870x2 or gtx295s. Why spend 400 dollar and go through the trouble of getting a new card when no new games are out that take advantage of directx 11. And by the time the games come out, faster cards will be out(5870x2 or gtx3xx) and prices on the cards available now will be lower.
09-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

no, no, no and no. good post otherwise

whats your estimate? i did start my post with "i think"

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

human eye = ~250MP

8000x2000 = 16MP

we're a good bit off 250MP.

i dont think going by MP is the right way to classify a human eye. back like 6 years ago i saw a sony 1.2 MP camera demolish a 4MP casio camera. resolution and detail are not the same thing. then we have to factor in distance. sit 6ft away from a 30" monitor and i bet you wouldnt see the difference between 1600p and 720p using full screen bandwidth.

when thinking of resolution limits, a monitor 3ft away from your eyes using a good dot pitch, same as a 30", how many pixels could i fit before my viewing range is completely obscured. and im not really counting extreme peripheral vision, basically going by the frame of my glasses. which is where i think ~8000x2000 is pretty close to that. (thinking a 30" turned portrait, 5 wide, is enough to fill that space) add in AA and AF and i doubt any bigger would be needed.
09-24-2009, 10:02 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

5870 Tri-Fire review (sorry if repost):

http://i38.tinypic.com/2qapr1v.jpg

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...le_CrossFireX/

something seems wrong on the right graph, crossfire gets 2 frame increase (20% over stock), trifire gets 19 more fps (190% over stock)
09-24-2009, 10:05 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by LOE

Second one is MINIMUM FPS

The first is AVERAGE

At least I think so :confused:

i thought those were different maps lol
09-24-2009, 10:14 AM
One_Hertz

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

This is foolish those because the previous high end provided more than adequate performance and for the most part except crysis or people with 2500*1600 monitors(which are few and far between)

I don't know why people keep saying this. I've got a 4870 and I've had to turn off AA and AF on most of the recent games to get them to play nice on 19*12 (I can't tolerate sub 60fps at all). If you've got 4870x2 or something like that then yeah, but a single card falls short here and there. I would grab another 4870 but I would like to avoid multigpu solutions after my 2900 CF experience... Would be cool to finally play crysis on 5870 CF though.

Definitely upgrading to one or two 5870s.
09-24-2009, 10:25 AM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOE

Second one is MINIMUM FPS

The first is AVERAGE

At least I think so :confused:

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