Anand: PII vs. Q9550 vs. i7 crossfire, Phenom II = smoother

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

I think you forget about that thread already....

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What did you learn from that thread? If you did try to learn something then you would understand, I did learn a couple of things from that thread (now I know more) and that information was from those who criticized me, I was getting information from you. Then when drawing conclusions from that information you will not recognize it. :clap:

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Phenom II 940 isn't "smoother" than i7 920. If you define "smoothness" as min framerate, then P2 940 MIN framerate is 3% slower than I7 920 and 5% higher then Q9550. If you look at the average framerates, the P2 940 is 2% slower in average of all titles than the i7 920, and 1% slower than the Q9550.

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There we go, no testing required....gOJDO says it's all imaginary. :rolleyes:

Like he says, smoothness = min fps...so it simply can't be smoother :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gosh

What did you learn from that thread? If you did try to learn something then you would understand, I did learn a couple of things from that thread (now I know more) and that information was from those who criticized me, I was getting information from you. Then when drawing conclusions from that information you will not recognize it. :clap:

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Yes you got planty of information, but you still say the same thing over and over again, despite all the information that was given to you and disproved your arguments.

Btw. where the video you promised us back in december. :)

Anyway i think i'll follow the advice of BenchZowner. :up:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Yes you got planty of information, but you still say the same thing over and over again, despite all the information that was given to you and disproved your arguments.

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What am I saying? What did you learn? Do you understand that the CPU and GPU runs asynchronously? And if you do, what does that mean, what type of data can be unreliable because of this?

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Originally Posted by KELL5

There we go, no testing required....gOJDO says it's all imaginary. :rolleyes:

Like he says, smoothness = min fps...so it simply can't be smoother :rolleyes:

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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or trolling or a mix or what.

Heres an idea, instead of the constant question asking, disbelief and speculation here in the AMD forums why dont you guys go right to the source, email the guy who wrote the article......ask him about drivers, software, firmware, hardware,.......hes the one that said it.....we the ones that experience it. Bottom line is whatever the reason is, it is smoother. If you dont want to believe it many of us dont really care, in addition the real question is not what makes AMD systems smoother but whats causing the problem with Intel........it seems like its a dirty little secret, a secret that people with both Intel and AMD realize is a horrible truth slowly seeping out as more people try out the Phenom 2. Die hard Intel users will continue to point fingers, deny and put the focus here so you dont have to admit theres a problem when truthfully you should be looking within to figure out what your problem is.

Its like having 2 cars, one runs great and the other backfires constantly when you drive down the road.......instead of repairing the car that backfires you bring the otherone to the dealer to figure why its running great.......this is what you are doing here.

You: do you have any tests to figure why this car runs great?

Dealer: what do you mean?

You: well this car runs excellent but my other car backfires so I want to know why?

Dealer:Well why dont you bring the other car in so we can check it?

You: we can mess with the sparkplugs or maybe the muffler it has to be something making this car smoother.

Dealer: its easier to fix the problem on the actual car than to try to replicate it with a car that runs properly .....why dont you bring it in?

You: what about putting water or sugar in the gas tank will that cause a backfire we can try that I brought some with me?

Dealer: maybe but we cant be sure untill we check the actual car.

You:Maybe if we put a banana in the tailpipe it will force the car to backfire?

Dealer::rolleyes:.......neeexxxt

Oh god... here we go with the car comparison again and... it's not the tranny this time. :D

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or trolling or a mix or what.

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sarcasm. No need to argue with someone who has no clue. The statement he posted would suggest he doesn't know what he's talking about. Equating smoothness to min fps says it all.

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Originally Posted by Titan7171

Its like having 2 cars, one runs great and the other backfires constantly when you drive down the road.......instead of repairing the car that backfires you bring the otherone to the dealer to figure why its running great.......this is what you are doing here.

You: do you have any tests to figure why this car runs great?

Dealer: what do you mean?

You: well this car runs excellent but my other car backfires so I want to know why?

Dealer:Well why dont you bring the other car in so we can check it?

You: we can mess with the sparkplugs or maybe the muffler it has to be something making this car smoother.

Dealer: its easier to fix the problem on the actual car than to try to replicate it with a car that runs properly .....why dont you bring it in?

You: what about putting water or sugar in the gas tank will that cause a backfire?

Dealer: maybe but we cant be sure untill we check the actual car.

You:Maybe if we put a banana in the tailpipe it will force the car to backfire?

Dealer::rolleyes:.......neeexxxt

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Very well put. This analogy sums up this thread perfectly....spot on :)

If the pc's themselves were comparing each other there would be no arguments. The fact users need to post on this forum brings arguments into existence. Even if you could prove that intel pc's outperform amd pc's in every single way imaginable, except for say one single benchmark where amd pc's score higher.....the majority of intel users will disregard this and make up a multitude of excuses for amd's favourable results. It's asif in no way possible could any amd tech ever be better, more efficient or faster than any intel tech. Even if an outside source "anand" agree with these findings the intel users will always cry foul. That's the human element I guess. :(

I love my Phenom II.:D

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Originally Posted by Throwed

I love my Phenom II.:D

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I would say that statement sums up this, the previous,, and the n'th next spinof thread about "AMD is smoother.. and Everyone questioning this "fact" are Intel-trolls"..
Yes.. pretty much.

And yes.. I think my AMD-rigs are "smooth", and any "stuttering", "lags"..etc.. I contribute to a certain setup of hw/sw (ATI/Nvidia gpu, Intel/nForce/ATI chipset.. AMD/Intel cpu).
To discuss this to find an explanation is probably of no interest it seems.
Better just conclude it is linked to the brand on the HS of the CPU .

I guess this post makes me by default an Intel-man.. Intel-troll.. from "the dark side"..etc...etc.. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by KELL5

sarcasm. No need to argue with someone who has no clue. The statement he posted would suggest he doesn't know what he's talking about. Equating smoothness to min fps says it all.

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Ok.... no harm meant, I wasn't fully awake. Hope my comment didn't come across badly or anything.

Looking at at it again, how did I miss the :rolleyes:

:hitself:

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Originally Posted by KELL5

There we go, no testing required....

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Anand did the testing and we got the numbers. If you have finished primary school you should know how to add, multiply and divide numbers.

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gOJDO says it's all imaginary. :rolleyes:

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Are you on something or what?

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Like he says, smoothness = min fps...so it simply can't be smoother :rolleyes:

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Read the first post. The op has defined "higher min fps" as smoother.

yeah that's all it comes down to...minimum FPS. Totally, that's it encapsulated.

If you haven't noticed, I wrote "smooth" in quotation marks. Guess why?

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Read the first post. The op has defined "higher min fps" as smoother.

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

If you haven't noticed, I wrote "smooth" in quotation marks. Guess why?

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OH OH OH. Let me answer that one.. it's just too easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

You used quotes because you knew that you left out half of the OP's original statement and were only commenting on half of it; more specifically the weak half.

Let us review the OP's post. He said:

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with more framerate stability and higher minimum framerates

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But I'm sure you and the the other people that are obviously NOT posting in this thread to constructively participate in the conversation already knew that minor fact.

Some of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that we will get people like "you" posting that kind of stuff and there is nothing that can be done about it. But I guess that's okay. It gives us something to laugh about.

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

The toppic although useless, is missleading.
Using 1 graphics card, 4870.

Phenom II 940 isn't "smoother" than i7 920. If you define "smoothness" as min framerate, then P2 940 MIN framerate is 3% slower than I7 920 and 5% higher then Q9550. If you look at the average framerates, the P2 940 is 2% slower in average of all titles than the i7 920, and 1% slower than the Q9550.

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sigh theres 15 pages about this and you still think that smoothness has to do with average and min framerate? no one is saying this.

and if you guys all believe it is a driver issue then how about you reinstall the OS 3 times and all the drivers and everything and rerun the tests again. that way it would eliminate any of the problems of it being related to drivers. but thats too much of a pita to listen to all the demands of people who have no idea what they are talking about and everytime someone comes up with an idea they shoot it down and blame the smoothness on something else.

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

No, I think there's a certain responsibility from the users as well.

I adapted quite a bit from a few months earlier regarding flaming/trolling. However, Im not innocent, but if things cant stay normal and people crying the same crap post after post without any clue, it's bound to happen :banana::banana::banana::banana: hits the fan for me and obviously other forum members as well. It's almost getting a sport to type A M D before you've some raving phag stabbing in your neck:shakes:

Im not against a healthy discussion, but I ain't tolerating this has to come with stupid remarks as having green glasses, being blind or stuff like in my sig. If it happens once or twice Ill ignore it, but post after post, thread after thread, then people are seriously pushing other members not to respond.

I dont even get wtf threy've to do in AMD threads since it's quite obviously they've no interest in AMD. You wont find me in the Intel section for example, and you might find a very rare post from me in an Intel thread in the news section. Why do I not come there? Because Im not interested, plain and simple. If there's a question from me regarding Intel, I just ask without any stupid comments around that. It's a shame it seems a lot of other people lack this ability, especially since that ability takes no Einstein to work out:rolleyes:

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What part of this exactly is hard to understand? Why dont mentioned people just leave. It's been proven post after post, by them selves, they're for 99% of the time contributing zero relevance to AMD threads. Only because they've pretty much gained that status, their credibility alone is so low it's sooner or later going to happen :banana::banana::banana::banana: hits the fan, whether they make a good or bad post. Why even bother:shrug:

Disclaimer, no trolling intended, Im seriously wondering why they would even bother

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Originally Posted by keithlm

OH OH OH. ......It gives us something to laugh about.

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Explain how Phenom II is smoother than Core i7?

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Explain how Phenom II is smoother than Core i7?

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Please explain how is this related to your previous post.

(And since your NEW question is not a topic I would comment about then you'll have to search somewhere else for your answer. I'd suggest that you move to Intel subsection where you find a ton of people that will discuss this with you.)

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Explain how Phenom II is smoother than Core i7?

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we dont have to explain it.......ask the guy who did the review on this situation and read this if you missed it.

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Heres an idea, instead of the constant question asking, disbelief and speculation here in the AMD forums why dont you guys go right to the source, email the guy who wrote the article......ask him about drivers, software, firmware, hardware,.......hes the one that said it.....we the ones that experience it. Bottom line is whatever the reason is, it is smoother. If you dont want to believe it many of us dont really care, in addition the real question is not what makes AMD systems smoother but whats causing the problem with Intel........it seems like its a dirty little secret, a secret that people with both Intel and AMD realize is a horrible truth slowly seeping out as more people try out the Phenom 2. Die hard Intel users will continue to point fingers, deny and put the focus here so you dont have to admit theres a problem when truthfully you should be looking within to figure out what your problem is.

Its like having 2 cars, one runs great and the other backfires constantly when you drive down the road.......instead of repairing the car that backfires you bring the otherone to the dealer to figure why its running great.......this is what you are doing here.

You: do you have any tests to figure why this car runs great?

Dealer: what do you mean?

You: well this car runs excellent but my other car backfires so I want to know why?

Dealer:Well why dont you bring the other car in so we can check it?

You: we can mess with the sparkplugs or maybe the muffler it has to be something making this car smoother.

Dealer: its easier to fix the problem on the actual car than to try to replicate it with a car that runs properly .....why dont you bring it in?

You: what about putting water or sugar in the gas tank will that cause a backfire we can try that I brought some with me?

Dealer: maybe but we cant be sure untill we check the actual car.

You:Maybe if we put a banana in the tailpipe it will force the car to backfire?

Dealer:.......neeexxxt

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Anand did the testing and we got the numbers. If you have finished primary school you should know how to add, multiply and divide numbers.

Are you on something or what?

Read the first post. The op has defined "higher min fps" as smoother.

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reading comprehension ftw

I'll give you a break here because I'm not sure whether english is your second language.


I said smoother gameplay AND higher min fps. The "AND" delineates them as two seperate items, so in actuality I said the exact opposite of what you though I said.

If I had meant that the smoothness was due to the higher min fps, I would have said "smoother gameplay BECAUSE of higher min fps", and not have used AND.



edit: To define...

Smooth = no stutter/hitching, related to max average time between rendered frames

Higher min FPS = less noticable framerate drops, generally happens in same areas regardless whether AMD or Intel



A framerate drop (worse with lower min fps) occurs in certain hard to render scenes but not all the time, while lack of smoothness occurs continuously.

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Originally Posted by fellix_bg

If this is really an decisive advantage, AMD should change to a new slogan, like Smoother choice!

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sounds like a smoking ad to me.

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Originally Posted by fizur2002

sounds like a smoking ad to me.

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lol, or a fake butter ad!

ok theres no point discussing this anymore. everything has been said and all that will happen now is people will just argue. either we need to test this or theres nothing else to say.