OCZ to come out with new VERTEX SSD,S equiped with 64MB OF CACHE starting at $129

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02-22-2009, 01:27 PM
Halk

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Originally Posted by m^2

Wrong. I am going to argue. Overall performance is totally unknown. Don't jump to conclusions that early. Preview results were disappointing, but it may have the potential.

Fair enough. And I suppose that's a good point, the drive isn't out yet. I think X-25 beating performance is just too much to ask though. I disagree that the preview results are disappointing. The results that have been seen so far shows it's not too far behind the X-25, and the drive looks to do exactly what it was designed to do - offer top drawer SSD performance for a good price. I've yet to see an X-25 owner say their system doesn't go very fast, if the Vertex performance is close to the X-25 then that will hold for the Vertex too. And the Vertex can be had for a little over £100 for a 30GB drive which is tight, but big enough for XP, a few apps and games.
02-22-2009, 01:56 PM
One_Hertz

I've been comparing my X25-Es to everything they show on OCZ forums in terms of vertex benchies and the X25-E is very consistently at the very least 20% faster. 33K in vantage for a single drive for the X25 vs 23k for vertex, the small writes in ATTO are MANY times faster, small reads a few times faster, IOMeter a few times faster on all settings they showed... Zero tweaks on my end on windows 7.

There isn't even a comparison to begin with as the vertex is aimed at X25-M.
02-22-2009, 01:59 PM
Chosen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halk

And the Vertex can be had for a little over £100 for a 30GB drive which is tight, but big enough for XP, a few apps and games.

A Samsung SLC 32Gb can be had for even less. SLC alone is superior to MLC and add to that the much better Samsung ARM processor inside these SSDs, and you can completely avoid the risk involved when messing with the OCZ products.

Sure the Vertex's theoritical 2xx Mb/sec transfer rate is big enough to impress people who don't know what really counts in an SSD, but I personally wouldn't want to queue up in the OCZ support fora... again.

I'm not giving OCZ another chance, they had more than one opportunity to provide a decent product and they failed majestically.

I'll stick to my cheap, almost-a-year-old Samsung SLC technology of £70 a pop:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5648/sixsamsungs.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2...xsamsungs2.jpg
02-22-2009, 02:50 PM
Griff805

If I were looking to purchase a Vertex, I would be pushing OCZ to put out some defined, expected performance numbers. You think they'll post them before everyone buys the initial batch? ;)
02-22-2009, 02:59 PM
Halk

They have ensured that reviewers have the firmware that ships with the drives in time (not a huge amount though!) to get reviews up before the drives come into stock. If they really did have something to hide they wouldn't be doing that.
02-22-2009, 03:03 PM
Griff805

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halk

They have ensured that reviewers have the firmware that ships with the drives in time (not a huge amount though!) to get reviews up before the drives come into stock. If they really did have something to hide they wouldn't be doing that.

I see. Did not see that stated on the forum. Looking forward to it-
02-22-2009, 03:28 PM
XS Janus

Then how come they are contemplating a new firmware with more balanced real life performance...
When will they have the time to send that to reviewers in time...

All to confusing...

What exactly are those Samsung SLC drives you are running Chosen. How many do you have and on what controller?
:)
02-22-2009, 03:32 PM
Halk

They've already decided on the new firmware, and have passed that out to (at least some of) the reviewers.
02-22-2009, 04:09 PM
Chosen.

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Originally Posted by XS Janus

What exactly are those Samsung SLC drives you are running Chosen. How many do you have and on what controller?
:)

This one, got few of them at £68 each, same place now sells them at £85/ea.
In the screenshot you can see 6 of them (as many as I can fit) on the P5Q Deluxe's ICH10R.
My £400, 192Gb "FusionIO" drive :D
02-23-2009, 12:57 AM
FoxRacR17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen.

This one, got few of them at £68 each, same place now sells them at £85/ea.
In the screenshot you can see 6 of them (as many as I can fit) on the P5Q Deluxe's ICH10R.
My £400, 192Gb "FusionIO" drive :D

Anyone know why newegg doesnt sell that drive anymore? Is there something wrong with it? I really want to get a SSD to complete my new build but i'm torn between waiting for the vertex, or get the x25-m, or maybe this samsung if I can find it around the same price range.
02-23-2009, 01:48 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen.

A Samsung SLC 32Gb can be had for even less. SLC alone is superior to MLC and add to that the much better Samsung ARM processor inside these SSDs, and you can completely avoid the risk involved when messing with the OCZ products.

SLC is twice the cost compared to a MLC drive.
There is no difference between those formats in reads which btw is about 80% of the use.

SLC is obviously a better flash format, and one day the costs comes down to a level which make sense to buy.
02-23-2009, 04:53 AM
karateo

flopper
i got a 60gb slc samsung for £114

the same did chosen along with another 500 people in the UK

the problem is that now they are out of stock :D
i don't know if Chosen knows any other source to get them that cheap...
02-23-2009, 05:52 AM
RealTelstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen.

This one, got few of them at £68 each, same place now sells them at £85/ea.
In the screenshot you can see 6 of them (as many as I can fit) on the P5Q Deluxe's ICH10R.
My £400, 192Gb "FusionIO" drive :D

I cannot afford to spare not even 4 ports on the ich9r, but I do need less overall throughtput. 3 or 4 of the 64gb version would do it with an arc1531ml and total cost <800€

But real prices in eu are several times higher than what chosen paid:
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...tCategory.html

Looks like it was an overstock.
02-23-2009, 06:36 AM
LuckyNV

Its just one of those one off deal things (normal pricing is like £380+ in UK), AFAIK they were Korean OEM imports, so only 1 year warranty with the retailer.
I got two of the 64GB Samsung SLCs, intend on RAID 0.
Novatech are going to stock many hundreds of the MLC version for £100 inc VAT (100+ already pre-ordered)
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...ml?SAM-SSD64M#
Again still far cheaper than normal price
Only review I can find
http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/743/
Not too shabby.
02-23-2009, 03:07 PM
annihilus

are you sure the review is of this ssd?

here is the datasheet from samsung, 90 read 70 write
02-23-2009, 03:44 PM
XS Janus

Looks like Raiding them doesn't improve anything much, other than synthetics...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/149...d_0/index.html

Would love to see SLC drivers compared to Vertex soon and the impac of RAID on real life situations...

When is that big Anandtech SSD review due out?
02-24-2009, 03:48 AM
XS Janus

don't remember if this was posted...
120gb vertex review here:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=299&Itemid=60
02-24-2009, 06:06 AM
One_Hertz

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

Looks like Raiding them doesn't improve anything much, other than synthetics...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/149...d_0/index.html

Would love to see SLC drivers compared to Vertex soon and the impac of RAID on real life situations...

When is that big Anandtech SSD review due out?

Interesting review there. Even the areca card adds a bit of latency it seems (0.2ms)
02-24-2009, 09:54 AM
XS Janus

This is their conclusion on current SSD testing methods...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...&limitstart=11

A good standardized tool is needed that will show real life performance... hopefully someone will make one soon and end this endless hype.
02-24-2009, 10:06 AM
Griff805

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

A good standardized tool is needed that will show real life performance... hopefully someone will make one soon and end this endless hype.

If they came out with one, what would we do here on the forum all day?? :eek:

It would be nice though if there was a reliable standard of hard drive benchmarking. It seems that all the ones that exist today are taken out of context. The Benchmark software is fine for the most part, but the results are not interpreted correctly, or they aren't configured correctly to show the proper result.
02-24-2009, 10:27 AM
FoxRacR17

Well according to Tony over at the OCZ forums, the Vertex will finally be shipping in volume this week, and should be in most online etailers by the end of the week or early next week. Guess I will be holding off on getting an X25-M or E until I see what the consensus is about the 120GB vertex.
02-24-2009, 10:33 AM
One_Hertz

I can't wait until Anandtech's review. They sure are taking their sweet time though.
02-24-2009, 01:02 PM
grimeleven

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxRacR17

Well according to Tony over at the OCZ forums, the Vertex will finally be shipping in volume this week, and should be in most online etailers by the end of the week or early next week. Guess I will be holding off on getting an X25-M or E until I see what the consensus is about the 120GB vertex.

Yeah, can't wait to see reviews.

120GB SSD SATA2 Vertex Series Solid State Drive OCZ
OCZSSD2-1VTX120G ETA: 10/03

60GB SSD SATA2 Vertex Series Solid State Drive OCZ
OCZSSD2-1VTX60G ETA: 27/02
http://www.drix.be/supersearchb_page...archterm=solid

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/p...x1y0z1p0s0n0m0

:clap:
02-24-2009, 01:33 PM
XS Janus

I wanna see 60GB drives reviewed as single and raid0 configurations and see how much do they really improve load times and user experience like file copy or installs. I already know that synthetics will look awesome.
If there will be no tangible real application improvement over single drive... I'll most likely be getting one 120GB drive.
But I don't wanna buy two drives myself to test this... and find out for my self... to expensive adventure for me:D Althoug these days if you wanna have new texh you better fork it out... (thinks of his i7, ddr3 sticks and damn overpriced Giga DS4 x58 mobo).... :D
02-25-2009, 04:31 AM
RealTelstar

BTW, the prices are too high, and the crippled 30/60gb versions makes a choice even more difficult.

2x80gb intel mlc in raid0 can be a better choice for most.

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