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04-07-2007, 10:42 AM
gabe

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Originally Posted by nealh

well if your right then it would be fine..but I doubt(and Gabe correct me if I am wrong) that the plating is anywhere near the quality on a musically instrument(100s-1000s of dollars vs $75/80 cpu block)

The quality of plating is defined by specifications. At equal specifications, the quality of a plated flute will be exactly the same as a that of a plated water-block. The cost of plating a musical instrument will be much higher simply because of the much larger surface area to plate.

Frankly, I don't know if manufacturers of musical instruments publish their plating specifications. After all, musicians might not be as interested in the manufacturing process as they are in the musical characteristics of their instrument. Conversely, our audience is composed of engineers and technically oriented people who need industry standard references (ASTM, MilSpec) to evaluate our manufacturing quality standards.
04-07-2007, 11:14 AM
nikhsub1

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top ;)
04-07-2007, 11:24 AM
thunderstruck!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top ;)

Then I have a feeling I will buy a GTX in the future.
04-07-2007, 11:32 AM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top ;)

Or what about a brass top?
04-07-2007, 12:02 PM
exhausted mule

what are you guys talking about a "flexing" base. if your refering to the actual bottom of the block (the pins) than your putting way more pressure then you should be.

and another vote for the delrin top here.

less **** in my loop, more water = more performance.
04-07-2007, 12:20 PM
SiGfever

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

stopit, you'll make me slide out of my chair:D

andyc

I have a TDX with the brass top option and it is very nice.
04-07-2007, 01:25 PM
gabe

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

good info Gabe and thanks. So your saying this couldn't happen with your plating specs. I took your advise back a few weeks ago and did some research. Little different enviroment, but plating based on your specs would seem to be the cause generaly speaking.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...143962&page=10

Not trying to stir anything up, or disputing your claims/integrity, just asking a honest question, becuase this is what concerns me. that and the extreme bow when using large O ring, and the stress caused when mounting and unmounting on the base,

andyc

Will get back to you on these topics next week.
04-07-2007, 01:29 PM
nealh

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

The quality of plating is defined by specifications. At equal specifications, the quality of a plated flute will be exactly the same as a that of a plated water-block. The cost of plating a musical instrument will be much higher simply because of the much larger surface area to plate.

Frankly, I don't know if manufacturers of musical instruments publish their plating specifications. After all, musicians might not be as interested in the manufacturing process as they are in the musical characteristics of their instrument. Conversely, our audience is composed of engineers and technically oriented people who need industry standard references (ASTM, MilSpec) to evaluate our manufacturing quality standards.

Ok..maybe I am wrong..if so thank you for the correction...but I still have my concerns..founded or unfounded

the other issue and maybe as important or more so..is the amount of bowing on this board with larger O-ring needed to get performance and possible issues for the mobo....
04-07-2007, 01:37 PM
SiGfever

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

same here, block I started out with, building on a lesser rig now as our home/office server. Not in the same performance class as the GT/GTX or Fuzion based on my experience , but still OK for less heat generating procs.

andyc

Same here it is what I started with and quickly went to a Storm rev2 then to the current FuZion. I do not use the TDX but the brass top was a nice upgrade from the Lucite.
04-07-2007, 01:46 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by nealh

Ok..maybe I am wrong..if so thank you for the correction...but I still have my concerns..founded or unfounded

the other issue and maybe as important or more so..is the amount of bowing on this board with larger O-ring needed to get performance and possible issues for the mobo....

neal, actually im thinkn this bowing might be bad. My MCP, which i thought i mounted correctly, might have been nudged from the bowing. Im trying to get members feedbacks on tehre MCP temp.

Or it could be my boards temp sensors.... But i'll get back to you guys as soon as i find out more info on this.

PS. How long does it take for the block to be perm bowed? i might need to unbow it if i cant fit this NB correctly.
04-07-2007, 01:51 PM
Thomas FJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top ;)

GTX with a delrin top might as well be a called GTS?

But at the end of the day, I doubt there will be a GTS, if none of the other Apogee blocks will be EOL'ed...
Swiftech are known to have a small product portfolio, so having the regular Apogee, 1U server, GT, GTS and GTX, one should be foolish to think ever happened...

I'm more excited to see when the MCW60 will be updated with the GT/GTX bottom plate (MCW70?).
It should be possible for Swiftech to make the same longer path from GTX on the MCW70...
Or maybe save it for a MCW70 GTX with the same stylish top as Apogee GTX...
Then we just need a MCW30 GTX :)
The Swiftech GTX family is born :banana:

UPDATE:
I just saw the regular Apogee has been removed from their site, which must mean its EOL'ed...

But still 4 different CPU blocks from Swiftech would be history :)
/Thomas
04-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Kayin

Having worked more copper than it's right for a man to touch, I found that copper's metal memory was decent, but not spectacular, and the amount of deformation defined the amount of memory (unlike say beryllium, which once formed, you could crush and it would unfold) and if it it bowed too badly, it will not reform.

That's a fscked up mount in my opinion, but my opinion counts little around here, I'm willing to bet. But anyway, I wanted to drop in and add my experience to the thread, and drop Gabe a vote of confidence.
04-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Mekrel

I'm dropping off my case to ChilledPC monday for powdercoating, he has this block in stock.

So, let me get an honest answer.

I'm safe to run this block on water and biocide alone? No engine coolant?
04-08-2007, 11:04 AM
Mekrel

The thing that concerns me is the thread for the barbs.

Because surely, you would have to plate the top and then tap the holes for the barbs?

You couldn't do it the other way around surely because you would be doing the thread size + width of plating.

Meaning the thread wouldn't fit surely?

So if you tap the hole with the plating on, then you will be removing said plating.. if you get me :|
04-08-2007, 12:35 PM
NaeKuh

u guys.. i ask everyone who bought a GTX, to hold from dropping them inside your loop.

And i ask everyone thats about to buy an apogeeGTX to wait. I have a problem with mine, and im trying to resolve it with gabe, to find out if mine is a defect, or if its a serious problem.

So to avoid the spread of rumors, i ask everyone to please wait patiently on this block, until i get some asnwers. I am currently in contact with nikhsub, mcoffey, iany, and gabe on my issue. And i hope honestly, my block is just a defect.

But in light of mcoffey statements to me, i should address i am having some slight problems with it, and i ask the people, to be safe, so to hold on this block.

If you already have this block, i ask you to pm, but when i reply to you guys, i ask you to please keep it quiet until gabe can clear up some answers.

Just incase you guys are wondering also, i realized this issue last night at around 10pm. So no i dont plan nor do i hope to hide this issue. It will come out. I just want gabe to be given a chance to defend the block b4 i post this issue.
04-08-2007, 04:22 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

I just want gabe to be given a chance to defend the block b4 i post this issue.

Nothing to defend, since there is nothing wrong. Just go ahead and post my reponse to you :-)
04-08-2007, 04:36 PM
NaeKuh

okey you guys.. this was the problem i had.. But gabe cleared it up. It did indeed look like a type of paint, or dye. It seems my flow pressure bascially took the dye with it.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Is that just the paint coming off? and if it is, whats exposed underneither?

Coolant used was straight distilled with 10% penosion and 2 drops of blue dye.

The coolant and die was premixed. So i dont think my coolant is to blame for it.

Waiting for your response. :]

Yes this is the black die coming off (not paint.. die.. check out my earlier post about this about the plating process). What is exposed underneath is solid zinc cobalt 6 micron coat, then another 12 micron of nickel :-)

The black die is very superficial, purely cosmetic, and relatively easy to come off. This is the reason why we specify in our warranty exclusions "die discoloration".

We needed a black die instead of paint so we could rub it off easily to give the "edelbrock look". It is essentially harmless water-soluble black die.

Be at peace, enjoy your GTX, all is fine!

BTW, feel free to quote my response.

So yes, i guess there isnt anything to worry about. However, the response took a while, so i moved her back on my d-tek fusion. :P

But here are the discolorations i was concerned about:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0580.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0584.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0583.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0582.jpg

Since the block is pulled out, if anyone wants more pics, of the discoloration, feel free to ask. I have my canon ready!

Also, to nikhsub, and iany, and mcoffy, thank you for the help.
04-08-2007, 04:49 PM
Mekrel

Hmm don't want no die in my water... think I'll skip.

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