AMD K8L ES coming in December

I propose you to see this hi res X4 die shot :

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/6...overlayfs3.jpg

ps: i found this one in higher res, but i don't found it sorry.

madcho,
That pic is too low-detail and heavily photoshopped to see anything...
:(

2xBarcelona FX-2P on 4x4 mobo plus 2x AMD Radeon X2800XTX Crossfire plus AMD Stream processor demonstration would be the best gift for amdfans before Christmas

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Originally Posted by MAS

2xBarcelona FX-2P on 4x4 mobo plus 2x AMD Radeon X2800XTX Crossfire plus AMD Stream processor demonstration would be the best gift for amdfans before Christmas

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Don't think that ATI will release R600 before february :nono:

Radeon X2800 Series test results will be published from 20 to 30 of January? and the videocard itself will be avail. from the 1-st of Fab.

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Yes, however they will not tell you

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i believe it will be launched 7th of december

p.d. this is not real k8l the one they will release in december

True that is just a 65nm K8

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Originally Posted by nn_step

True that is just a 65nm K8

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But AMD may offer a press demonstration of the X4 in december. :toast:

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Originally Posted by madcho

AMD may offer a press demonstration of the X4 in december.

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see the topic name

Waiting.. Waiting....

meanwhile...

FX-74 instead of K8L on 4x4 mobo
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...9/tawada_1.jpg

the first tests

You guys do realize that the quad CPU 3GHz K8 is quite competitive with the QX6700, right? This is quite surprising... looks like K8L will beat the QX6700 by a substantial margin to me.

Of course, it's 3GHz vs 2.66GHz though...

yep K8L in 4x4 will own any Quad core in multi-threaded applications, by the sheer advantage of having twice as many cores

I'm talking about single K8L vs single QX6700

Saying that Quad FX is competitive with QX6700 is like saying that Extreme Edition is competitive with FX. Sorry, but nearly twice the wattage and not even beating it is hardly competitive when the Pentium 965 actually won some and not that much hotter.

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Originally Posted by Shadowmage

the quad CPU 3GHz K8 is quite competitive with the QX6700, right?

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in few months there will be FX-76 3,2GHz model - it will be even a little faster than Xtreme kent
just now AMD doesn't have enough 3,2 GHz stable chips for sell

red, for people who are able to buy 4x4 system its high power consumption means nothing

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Originally Posted by MAS

in few months there will be FX-76 3,2GHz model - it will be even a little faster than Xtreme kent
just now AMD doesn't have enough 3,2 GHz stable chips for sell

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If AMD can manage 3.2GHz in 4x4 and it edges ahead of QX6700, expect QX6800 to follow shortly (if not before). OTOH why not just OC QX6700 to 3.33GHz now? I can't wait to see FX74 overclocking results!

Now this is getting interesting.

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Originally Posted by Shadowmage

You guys do realize that the quad CPU 3GHz K8 is quite competitive with the QX6700, right? This is quite surprising... looks like K8L will beat the QX6700 by a substantial margin to me.

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Math doesn't seem to be your friend.

By how much , in relative terms , does the 4x4 lose to QX6700 ?
Is that competitive ? Mind you , A64 never enjoyed such an average advantage over P4 , yet nobody called them competitive. :slap:

You can take a look here , if you don't like chinese.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...d-quad-fx.html

And , K8L will beat QX6700 simply by coming 1 year later , otherwise it would be a real shame.Have you ever considered the possibility that Intel will have something better , and on 45nm , by then ?

At launch K8L should be going up against some shrunk QC Conroes... QC K8L should easily beat that, now the new core that Intel is supposed to have available in 2008 or so will probably change things up again, but we've known this for a long time now and have been over this many times to boot...

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Originally Posted by largon

Two 64bit MCs co-operating providing a 128bit bus combined.
Just like ATi R520/R580 features effectively a 256bit MC but in reality its eight parallel 32bit'ers.

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AMD is pretty explicit that they don't have 2 memory controllers on die, just one that can operate in different ways.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...5e9493,00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...cture_WP_2.pdf

The Hammer microarchitecture incorporates a dual-channel DDR DRAM
controller with a 128-bit interface capable of supporting up to eight DDR DIMMs (four per channel) as seen in the Hammer microarchitectural diagram in Figure 2.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31411.pdf

Up to four unbuffered DIMMs in a 128-bit configuration, or up to two unbuffered DIMMs in a 64-bit configuration

The controller supports 64-bit operation (72-bits including ECC) or 128-bit ganged operation (144- bits including ECC). When configured for 128-bits, the upper and lower chip-selects are logically equivalent signals to provide adequate buffering to drive four DIMMs. DIMMs must be populated in matched pairs when configured for 128-bit mode. Figure 2 illustrates the typical DIMM connections in a 128-bit system with ECC support.

pages 11, 15, 16

ummm Dude that is K8

I know, he was saying that if a memory controller can run 64 bit mode than its not a true 128 bit memory controller...

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Originally Posted by largon

A "true" 128bit ctrl would rule out SC memory bus and enforce consumer to use a minimum of 2 memory sticks. In other words, K8L would be stuck on dual channel. But in the end, I guess SC would seriously constrict K8L, thus there would be no point in SC configs anymore.

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umm that is called backwards compatibility, forcing users to USE Two sticks of memory isn't good business. However letting them pick between two sticks for more performance and one stick for budget is a good idea.