ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

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08-20-2006, 08:24 AM
topboy

Thanks for your time and information lawrywild

Quick questions. You have the onboard NICs disabled. What are you using instead?

And

What does the Virtulization Technology setting do?
08-20-2006, 08:27 AM
lawrywild

http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/

I have a Belkin USB 54mbps wireless adaptor which I use instead ;)
08-20-2006, 08:32 AM
Mykou

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

Here's my bios screens.. very stable on these settings, give them a go if you want..

Vcore - 1.385v REAL under 100% Load (yes big vdroop I know)

BIOS Revision 1101 Official

Hope it helps anyone getting really bad clocks..

Larry can't you set tighten timings for your ram?

With G skill 6400@350 mhz 1:1 I can run them at 3-3-3-12 and 4-4-4-12@438 mhz

I feel lucky with 24/7 3.5ghz@1.48v bios dual prime stable so
08-20-2006, 08:34 AM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykou

Larry can't you set tighten timings for your ram?

With G skill 6400@350 mhz 1:1 I can run them at 3-3-3-12 and 4-4-4-12@438 mhz

I feel lucky with 24/7 3.5ghz@1.48v bios dual prime stable so

I have set the timings :stick:

I have crap adata stuff atm (stock ddr2-667 5-5-5-15) (cost £90 for 2GB off ebay) until I can afford better stuff.. (this isn't the adata extreme range stuff)
08-20-2006, 08:41 AM
topboy

Ahh ok so Virtulization Technology really only helps if you are running some VM hosts on your PC. Like VMware and Microsoft Virtual machine software, otherwise its useless.

Cool i wondered about that

Also just to point out about your settings. If you set the PCIX Preq to 115 like yours is AND you are using the onboard Nic then it will fail. Just changed a couple of settings to like yours Inc the PCIX Freq and when windows loaded i had nio NIC. Changed it back and it works now. Must be somthing to do with the Onboard NIC using the PCIX bus.
08-20-2006, 08:44 AM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by topboy

Ahh ok so Virtulization Technology really only helps if you are running some VM hosts on your PC. Like VMware and Microsoft Virtual machine software, utherwise its useless.

Cool i wondered about that

Also just to point out about your settings. If you set the PCIX Preq to 115 like yours is AND you are using the onboard Nic then it will fail. Just changed a couple of settings to like yours Inc the PCIX Freq and when windows loaded i had nio NIC. Changed it back and it works now. Must be somthing to do with the Onboard NIC using the PCIX bus.

Ya, depending on the board, at too high a pci-e freq, the onboard lan will crap out.

The pci freq isn't really important, keep it at 105 or 110, whatever you want tbh lol..

ps: vmch and vich usually ( on my previous asus boards) allow you to run higher pci-e freq without loosing onboard lan
08-20-2006, 08:45 AM
syne_24

Hmm I didnt like the 1101 beta bios at all; very unstable. Is the 1101 official different? There is definitely a wall at 390-400 fsb but if you take out one stick of ram you can actually do 415 fsb; benchable 1M Super Pi
08-20-2006, 08:49 AM
lawrywild

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Originally Posted by syne_24

Hmm I didnt like the 1101 beta bios at all; very unstable. Is the 1101 official different? There is definitely a wall at 390-400 fsb but if you take out one stick of ram you can actually do 415 fsb; benchable 1M Super Pi

1101 was never in the BETA stage, it has only ever been an Official bios.

I get the same fsb "wall" (it's not really a wall btw, increasing vcore DOES help. A wall is where 1fsb increase will result in the board not POSTing or something) in every bios I've tried on this board
08-20-2006, 08:52 AM
syne_24

ok so i'm not going back to 1101 then. My wall is 415 right now even with 1.57v havent try 1.6 yet.
08-20-2006, 08:57 AM
topboy

I really hope they unlock the Multi in this bios that and fix the stability problems. Im expecting my local dealer to get some X6800s and Bad axes in soon. Might jump ship and try that combo unless Asus fix this baord.
08-20-2006, 09:01 AM
lawrywild

what really peeves me off is that ASUS have given the p5b-dlx an awesome bios with lots of memory timing options and multi adjustment.

The p5wdh is more expensive than the p5b-deluxe yet we get a crappy unstable bios.
08-20-2006, 09:02 AM
syne_24

I know thats another ghey part. I guess coming from an FX cpu I've been spoiled. But they should let you lower the multiply atleast so I can try that magical "7" on the DS3 board people are having. I know you can lower it in windows but it doesnt seem like the best approach.
08-20-2006, 09:03 AM
syne_24

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

what really peeves me off is that ASUS have given the p5b-dlx an awesome bios with lots of memory timing options and multi adjustment.

The p5wdh is more expensive than the p5b-deluxe yet we get a crappy unstable bios.

I know thats whack too bro, I'm thinking of picking up one at Fry's to test it out. Are they having luck with it on a E6600 or lower?
08-20-2006, 11:40 AM
lawrywild

I think they're doing better with e6600s than p5wdh's lol.. :rolleyes:
08-20-2006, 01:26 PM
matt1

What's the highest FSB anyone can get to with this board, I dropped the multi in windows using CrystalCPUID and the highest I could get is 441 - anything above just freezes. Voltages didn't seem to make a difference. All on air ;)
08-20-2006, 01:43 PM
syne_24

I just read through Tony's post and I kinda get it a little bit. From what he's saying we are limiting around 400fsb is because of the NB chipset. When you raise the cpu fsb 400+ the chipset is maxing out and cause instability. I guess unless Asus give us an option to lock the chipset at 1066 strap; it's near impossible to overcome that 400 barrier.
08-20-2006, 01:50 PM
matt1

syne_24, please link me :)
08-20-2006, 02:05 PM
toledo

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Originally Posted by matt1

syne_24, please link me :)

I would like also ... :)
08-20-2006, 02:12 PM
syne_24

sorry I thought you guys read it before :)

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22297
08-20-2006, 02:20 PM
Brahmzy

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Originally Posted by Pjoeloe

that`s not my point, what I wanted to say here, I think it`s not the e6600 conroe cpu what`s people holding back in fsb, I think it`s the asus board ( partically the biosses ) . I`ve got 2 friends with also e6600`s and p5w dh`s, they can`t get high fsb`s, we switched to ds3, >> high fsb`s :rolleyes:
I have run some bencharks and 9 x 400 or 8 x 450 doesn`t seem to care much, I get more fps`s in fear with the higher multiplyer, but, future will tell with all the bios updates. I think the bios is the major fsb wall currently. I see the asus doing 9 x 450 in the future without any mods and cold booting, ds3 same story :)

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.
08-20-2006, 02:38 PM
miochza

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.

I don't even know if other forms of cooling would help. I don't have high temps at all, just requires way too much voltage after a certain point (around 3.4 ghz)
08-20-2006, 02:43 PM
Brahmzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by miochza

I don't even know if other forms of cooling would help. I don't have high temps at all, just requires way too much voltage after a certain point (around 3.4 ghz)

Yup. My experience EXACTLY. Sure you'll have the few folks that got a really good chip that can hit 3.6GHz on air without killing their CPU - but they're a VERY small percentage.
08-20-2006, 02:50 PM
Pjoeloe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.

well brahmzy, I don`t wanna have a discussion about this, I`m not such a guy :cool: ( franky I don`t give a xxxx what you or something think :cool: ) but I think it`s a bios issue. I don`t see the logic of needing major more Vcore or something else. We see in the near future
08-20-2006, 02:53 PM
lawrywild

Personally I don't think it's either

I think it is the Intel 965/975
08-20-2006, 02:54 PM
Brahmzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pjoeloe

well brahmzy, I don`t wanna have a discussion about this, I`m not such a guy :cool: ( franky I don`t give a xxxx what you or something think :cool: ) but I think it`s a bios issue. I don`t see the logic of needing major more Vcore or something else. We see in the near future

Yes we will, and I don't give a hoot what you think either. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

Personally I don't think it's either

I think it is the Intel 965/975

We'll soon find out how these new nVidia boards do. I'm tempted just to pick one up myself for an experiment.

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