NIC 1 and 2 are changed for me in bios. Means, that NIC 1 runs and NIC 2 is disabled, when disabling NIC 1 and enabling NIC 2 in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raver
NIC 1 in bios is NIC2 in windows for me and NIC 2 in bios is NIC 1 in windows, hope you understand what I mean. :)
Yes omg, I had same problem with P35-DQ6 and my PCI X-Fi. Had a lot of hardware conflicts and X-Fi like 30times listened in hardware-manager and things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondik
That`s why I switched to Asus and Formula. Have no problems with my formula and network or my X-Fi :up:
But there are this other issues I have... posted it already :down:
http://www.techenclave.com/operating...eak-97626.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
im on xp so i posted the xp way....i looked up the vista way so here is a link on how to do it with vista... same process really...:up:
anyone here use teaming with their nic's? if so, did you see any diff?
In the beginning of this thread someone posted that the black 1x slot was proprietary for the included sound card. Can I use an Asus Xonar PCiex 1x sound card in that same slot instead? The white ones are blocked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
should be able to. I think that slot was specified in ordere to avoid hardware issues with soundcards in general. not just the one provided. However, I would call them and ask.
I just checked the manual and the black slot is called "audio slot" there, but there are no other useful infos about. I would just try it and then give feedback here ;)
Not at all with the current GFX m8. You are good to go:) let me know how it turns out :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
quick question for you guys.. I just got my Maximus. I have the 602 BIOS..should I upgrade to the newer ones? If so, which are the best for quads?
I'm using 907 with my Quad and it works perfectly. Easily overclocked it to 3.6 ghz in less than 5 mins. Have not tried to push it farther yet as unfortunately, my memory voltage regulator fried...new one is here today though. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlybabyface
Hey everyone, I'm looking at picking up this motherboard and pairing it with an e8400.. now my question is what bios is needed for it to be compatible out of the box.. I don't have any other s775 cpu's to throw in if need be..
The other motherboard i've been looking at is the DFI LP LT X38-T2R..
Parts that would going into this build would be
2x3870's
2GB mushkin 8500 5-5-4-12's
150gb raptor
corsair 620w
SS TJ09
what i'm looking for is stable overclocks
Cooler i'll be picking up is the ultra extreme 120
The amd quad in my sig is going to be turned into a VM box
0802 or higher, but 0903 or 0907 are needed for the 1/2 mulitpliers, most board that got shipped doesnt have 0802 or higher I think, so I am afraid u got a big chance they might not work right out of the box. Unless some1 here confirm that it does works with older then 0802
602 supports Exxxx too; I think support goes a bit earlier than that even. Don't wanna be the one to find out where it stops tho.
yea hence maximus are "45nm ready", but half multipliers support are from 0903 on.
I'm running 4 X 2GB G.Skill PC 8000 with no issues. This is the best board I've ever had. Easiest overclocking too. Others have had nothing but trouble. Good board/ Bad board? Or Extreme users being too extreme? Maybe a combination? :shrug: Build it. Run it. You'll love it or RMA it if it doesn't work with known good components. Isn't that always the case though??? :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondik
Well I've finally got XP and Vista dual boot installed and all is stable... no more pause when first loading etc in Vista. Also running at 3.6ghz on air with no issues... board is rock solid... my concern is the temps being reported in Everest and Coretemp. Idle temps show avg 35 degrees on cores at 3.6ghz... does that sound right? I figured they should be higher at that clock. Another weirdness is that some things report my CPU speed wrong, like 3dmark06 thinks I'm at 4.05ghz. Here's settings:
q6600 G0 @ 3.6ghz (450 x 8)
2x2gb Mushkin PC6400 @ 900mhz 4-4-4-10
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
p182 case
gt8800 @ 750/1900/1900 with HR03GT
This is with all settings on auto, other than ram timings. Can't get over 15,400 3dmark... guess I need to get a couple 3870x2's.
Its reporting speed based on default multi and fsb.........I get stuff reporting my every day speed at 3.6g but I'm really 8x400........
Woohooo got my NB down to 27 deg and my SB down to 36.. Love that water cooling.
Hmmmm.... maybe I should get some active cooling on my NB, it's hovering around 45 or so at 450 fsb.
Is anyone using the SOunMax II PCIe card with a microphone in Vista (x64 preferably...)? I haven't installed the drivers yet, as my speakers seem to work fine without them, but I can't seem to get the mic to work.....
EDIT:
I remember why I didn't install the drivers in the first place......it messed up my 5.1 config. :shrug: The mic works fine.............speakers don't. THe only configuration with my Z5500s and the mic is Dolby PL2 Music 5.1 with the driver installed........I've yet to get the SPD/IF working on this card yet.....I have to use it until I get the Xonar working.................
Throw a quiet 5CFM 40mm on the main fin over the NB. I lost 7C that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicvai
So you should read the 2nd answer on this threat too: ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
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Tried..doesn't make any difference.
Vista automatically identified and uses multiple cores (if available) at boot time and hence this is not needed.
You needn't place a cooler to your NB with your low temps! Official Intel max NB temps are around 96 C under load. This is directly from Intel thermal design spec for X38 Chipset and the only really counting value.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicvai
Many users have way higher NB temps than you, so do I. I've around 68 idle and 76 or so loaded. This are oced temps and they are 100% 48 hours prime and 3dmark 06 simultaniously running stable.
With your low NB temps you an be sure NB temp won't be a limiter to your oc results.
greets
Yes, 96C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
The Northbridge is sensitive and can become damaged if it reaches over 54C with high overclocks from my studies.
The Optimized temp for the X38's is 40-45C, If you can get lower then that, Then :clap:
Thermalright IFX / SLI non SLI series proppably ? if you put down that defalut cooling, i think they have the "power and technology" to cool it enough. I'll try it at monday and let you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy
I have used a mic with the SoundMax board, got no problem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by binormalkilla
JH_man
Just removing and re seating your NB will lower the temps about 5deg I bet, they aren't set very well stock. Also if you have the Std edition Formula without water cooled NB then your SB is gonna get hotter being in that heat pipe with the NB, its better off without being attached to the NB pipe.
I have just a heat spreader on my SB and its running around 34-38 where as before when it was on the heat pipe with the NB it was running 50, same as the NB temp.
Ewwwww shame on you Asus. That is horrible design. Why would you punish the SB with teh NB high temps by putting it on the same heat pipe.
Northbridge :
Ambient = 25.6°C (PC + heater = warm room :p: )
NB temp = 33°C STRESSED
Voltage NB = 1.57V
Cooling = P5E stock cooling + 120mm fan pointed on it
Mods done : did a extra twist on the mounting screws that's it...
(Besides that, I'm running 445 x 8 on AUTO settings again, and it's now 5 hours prime stable. But 445 x 9 gives me after 5 min a error...)
Could this be the CPU ? He did 4Ghz on 1.40Vcore, and on 1.42Vcore he was 3DMark stable...
So the NB can handle the FSB, also the CPU can handle so far 475 FSB.
But high speeds give me lockups, so I think PLL or GTL ref is not good, am I write ?
Than you had low quality boards for your studies. My NB runs even idle on 67 C and my PC runs round clock (cause of downloading ;-)). I've not a single stability issue or even anywhere near.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy
As said, look at what Intel says what is the max temp (96 C) and look again what I wrote regarding my NB tems and the rockstability with it. Believe me, if you get issues with low NB temps of even under 60 C then you should really RMA your board, because the NB is built to run rockstable up to 96 C. This is not a peakvalue for jus 1 sec or so, it's the max. value for longtime usage.
The Thermal Letter is alot different then real world performance. Just Like CPUs. Just because the Thermal Letter on a Q6600 G0 is 85C doesn't mean you'll get the same performance from the CPU running at 80C then 30C. Because Ultimately for any Computer Technology, Cooler is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
My Studies are also based of what I've seen from other people and reviews. Unless you are running a 3.8Ghz - 4.0Ghz+ Overclock, I wouldn't call your answer "rock solid" lol
I've never understood this trend towards a roller coaster heatsink design. It's just awefull, but they have made it too hard to go 3rd party now and get everything covered without cutting up the stock sink. I just keep fans blowing all over the entire board at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sources
what's the safest way to get the NB heatsink off? I did the freezer ,ethod on one board, but I'd rather not do it again as I think that damaged my VIA firewire chip.
In bios 907 if I set my cpu "pll" voltage to 1.7v, in hardwrae monitor it reads over 1.8x volts in red. Anyone else see this over volting?
yep. the board overvolts the pll and just about everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Well, except the vcore which droops a little. Actually, I just saw that my question was answered in the 1st page of this thread. I've never noticed if all recent asus boards overvolt cpu PLL, so should I set it to 1.6 to get 1.7 if I'm used to running other asus boards at 1.7v PLL?Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
Hi all,
I have just got 8gb of OCZ reaper memory with spd of 4-4-4-15 at 2.1 800 mhz I set this but my system is very unstable in games. Its weird becasue it can run prime etc all day just no games. Anyone else experiencing this and have a workaround? I have fiddled with all voltages so I dont think that will help.
Whatever you say. I find it a little bit confusing, when I have 67 C idle and far above 70 load temp on NB and I run my 6850 C2D rockstable @ over 3,9 GHz. I'd call this a proof that at least in this case the Intel engineers know more about technologie than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy
What you do is to make people think omg my NB temp of lets say 55C will destroy my Mainboard and maybe my whole PC. This simply isn't anywhere near truth and facts profe it wrong.
So I think it's important for keeping up the level of this forum to post facts where there are facts and mark "I think, and out of my experience" things as such and not as facts.
If that wasn't your intention than it didn't come clearly enough.
But I will tell you when my NB should burn far far away in future.... ;-)
I have experienced something similar with a pair of G.Skills 4Gb set. It passes memtest and prime95 blend for hours but I found that doing a CRC check (with .SFV files) show randomly corrupt files.Quote:
Originally Posted by pazza316
At first I thought my partition was corrupted or the HDD was failing, but the same data checked on another machine resulted in no errors found.
I lowered the timmings, upped the vmem, set bios at default, nothing helped. The most weird thing was that each time I did a SFV check (on big rar files) a different file resulted in checksum error. Not the previous one that had errored out.
So thinking my Gskill sticks were bad, I installed them on a G33 gigabyte motherboard and there was no CRC checksum errors whatsoever (on the same set of RAR files). Even on their stock timmings of 4-4-4-12.
So I believe that either the BIOS subtimmings on the Maximus are too stiff or there is some incompatibility with these sticks. I also tried BIOSes 505, 802 and 907.
Im currently running my mobo with a pair of cheap Gskills 2Gb 5-5-5-15 kit without problems.
Have we not had this useless argument b4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
Can you post your "FACTS" and then this argument can be put to rest
I'll be scared sh*tless if my cpu idled at 67, much more my NB. :eek:
My NB temp is ALWAYS lower than my cpu even though it is after my cpu in my loop.
I'm pretty sure that is already a fact that electronics produce better results when under load keeping lower temperatures. =P
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Ummmm I was worried when mine idled at 52, yet alone 60 something, LoL
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
It's all about the heat gun. Here's a recent post on [H] I threw up on the issue. There's some pics of my setup which show echo...Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
...that.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
The power sinks are fine, but I would like to see pipes come from the board to the right side and then fin out like an HR-05. That would keep them off the boards and out of the way of add in cards/cpu coolers. Ideally, they would blow up and exit from the top/rear of a case.
Mine board is sold 2day, so I am leaving this part.... I am waiting for the rampage.
I would suggest throwing a fan in front of your memory/NB. I just angled mine against my PCI-E1 and my 24 pin ATX so it hits the memory and the NB, and it dropped my NB temps from 52-55 to 40-43! I pretty much idle and load at the same temp now.
antec spot cool on low brought my NB from 55c to 42c
I would said you just owned Robin77Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
Download PCPROBE from ASUS:
ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/uti...eII_V10429.zip
and OCCT for stability testing:
http://www.ocbase.com/download.php?fileext=exe
Run PCPROBE to monitor your Northbridge temps. Run OCCT on Infinite mode for a minimum of 12 hours. Post your sceenshot as proof of your claim.
EDIT: I'm really intrested to see this screenshot.
Hey WFO,Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Just picked up 8GB's of the same ram. Care to share all of your settings with me? :)
Ultra Nexus what subtimings does the G33 set? Could you take a memset screen shot for me?
Thanks
My little achievemen: http://shrani.si/f/23/K7/467LVsva/fsb-515mhz.jpg
This in under water, and this is not the limit;) (im bit short of time lastdays;)
What bios settings did that take to achieve? Water on the NB I assume as well?
My NB is gets to about 60*C on load. possibly higher. is it possible to remove the fusion block without taking of the lolocoster. I want to reseat it with AS5 and put a 40mm 7cfm sunon fan on it. Anytips on fan mountage?
Procesor, NB, and both GPU under water:cool:Quote:
What bios settings did that take to achieve? Water on the NB I assume as well?
Settings were:
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 6
FSB Frequency : 515
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 115
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1030
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 8
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : lvl 1
CPU Voltage : 1.63V
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.7v (I think)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65v(I think)
DRAM Voltage : 2.3
FSB Termination Voltage :1.60
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67
Maybe I've messed us one or two things, but nothing big.
I think this CPU/mogo still has potential (I can set higher voltages, and I think last time I was limited by RAM- I haven't changed secondary timing:p: (to lazy) (I had left them as same settings as I have them for 24/7)
Those are pretty high volts, what kinda temps are you getting or did I miss that post?Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
As I have said- this are settings for TEST and 515MHZ FSB!
I have much lover voltages for 24/7 but temperatures are still hight (about 75C small FFT)
Hi
Anyone got GSkill 8500 2x2GB (F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) running on this board? If so, can you please post your bios RAM settings?
Thanks
Oh man I wouldn't run it that high 24/7................but hey do each his own! I'm interested to know what memory frequencies you have stable at 4GHz with the trans booster set to advanced 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
As I know Q6600 G0 is fine with temperatures below 81C, and I think 75C small FFT is not critical, because real work temparatures doesn't get close to Small FFTQuote:
Oh man I wouldn't run it that high 24/7................but hey do each his own!
Transaction booster is set to 1, and i have ratio 1:1 (Fsb is 445, so RAM frequency is 890mhz, but RAM doesn't have any problem with 1000+ (this RAM goes up to 1200 4-4-4-8:) )Quote:
I'm interested to know what memory frequencies you have stable at 4GHz with the trans booster set to advanced 1.
I bought that kit along with my current kit, keeping the best one......which ended up being the Geil, as I couldn't even POST past DDR2-1050 or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pee4
I would try DDR2-1000 5-5-5-15 with the rest at auto for starters.
Go ahead and set the NBV to something high like 1.60-1.65V.
Hey that's awesome man. Is that totally stable with the trans booster like that? I haven't been able to test at 1:1 with FSB that high, as can't get it stable......but you've inspired me to try tonight :DQuote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
I'm having strange problems all the sudden with my nVidia driver failing. I though it was just a coupld bad sticks of RAM and when I took the 2 sticks in question out, the problem stopped, but now it persists. Only thig is the system passes Orthos Blend for over 4 hours, super pi, OCCT all no problem. The display driver and the occasional BSOD it brings on are the only symptoms of instability.
Also, my OC was tock solid stable for 3 weeks and thsi happened all the sudden when 2 sticks or RAM died. Any ideas?
What exactly is the error?Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
the dredded nvlddmkm?
I posted this facts already on this threat. Just too lacy to search the page. But I'm pretty sure you'll find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
It includes a link to Intel X38 thermal design sheet.
You'll find Intel specs right there.
This is what I (i'm hardware engineer at Siemens) would call a fact. But maybe as engineer of Siemens I see this in a too professional way, at least for you. ;-)
I ask for a link/quote and all you can do is make a snide comment????Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
yes you are truely a professional.
I see in all your extensive education to become an engineer they overlooked the basic spelling course?? WELL DONE!!!
Ok, for you, and extra for you I searched the link again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
http://download.intel.com/design/chi...x/31761201.pdf
It was clear to me that you mightn't understand technical facts as you are a normal PC user with very simple knowledge of complex technical principles. But that's no accusation, you can't know this when you didn't study it.
The very simplified stuff that you can find in internet won't make you to an expert.
But I wish you fun reading the Intel specs. Maybe you're able to find the facts (I believe in the good in people ;-)).
ps.: my spelling could be result of my origin (Austria). Maybe you are even able to find out which language there is spoken (I'm sure, you're a clever guy....:ROTF: )
I'm sure that was an insult but then again the spelling and grammer are so bad I cannot tell what exactly your trying to say if anything at all, perhaps a more educated man/woman like yourself can help me with that.
Yes it is true your are surely a more(on) highly educated person than myself, My university degree(s) in bio-chemistry / physics is surely no match for the intellegence of Siemens ppl, now that we have the education part out of the way lets return to the topic at hand....
If you took offense to my first post than I apologize, there was none intentended, I was trying to say instead of arguing the matter of NB temps why not post your facts then this would not continue any further and avoid an argument. But instead you choose to argue and toss around snide comments when all there was is a simple misunderstanding on your part. You have clearly displayed your level of intellengence.
BTW thanks for finally posting something related to your comments regarding NB temps. I will read it now and maybe you can help me with anything I dont understand for I have a really hard time when they group letters together......very confusing to me, I prefer pictures:rofl:
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Looks like you really don't understand me. Surely because I'm too simple for you and your really impressing studies :clap: .
But you managed it to finaly get it, that I answered your questions. Or should I say you will answer them by yourself after reading the doc from the link.
By the way, to toss around snide comments and at same time measure the IQ of another person by accusing him to toss snide comments clearly displays your level of intelligence. :up:
ps.: if you are that clever guy you try to show here you surely have no problem to check the meaning of the text I wrote. My 10 year old brother understood all of my posts. :rofl:
pps.: the right english would be "you are", not "your are" ;-)
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...verclocked.jpg
Re: your question about my mem; It's on my sig.
OK, got a little better. Bios now set as Follows:
AI Overclock Tuner: (manual)
CPU Ratio: (8)
FSB Frequency: (400)
FSB Strap: (400)
PCIE: (100)
Dram Frequency: (800)
Dram Comand: (2T)
Dram Timings: (auto)
Dram Static Read: (auto)
AI Clock Twister: (auto)
Transaction Booster: (Disabled)
Relax Level: (0)
Load Line Calibrator: (disabled)
CPU Voltage: (1.275)
CPU PLL Voltage: (1.52)
NB Voltage: (1.35)
Dram Voltage: (1.8)
FSB Termination Voltage: (1.3)
SB Voltage: (1.075)
CPU GTL: (.063x)
NB GTL: (.067x)
Channel Ref A & B and Channel Control Voltages all: (auto)
What do you suggest?
Are you wanting to oc your processor or run it a stock speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgito05
Could you clear it up by providing each the user input as well as the CMOS reported voltages? I usually display as;Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
Overvoltage = as set by user (as reported in CMOS) [vdroop, if any]. Or any kind of key is cool so long as we can tell the difference.
Not to but in, but I can't help to notince that we still did not get any kind of picture/video to support the guys high mobo temps and only saw link to the same paper he keeps speaking of. I agree with the rest, this is simply paper, not always fact. Intel will make any of their products look as good as they can on paper, but us users in the real world see the end results..Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
Anyways, it's been almost 3 weeks since my BIOS failure, and no real answers. So I guess I will just RMA. In the meantime, I want to find a better configuration for my complete ThermalRight coolers on the same mobo, but cant really use several of my favorite NB chipset coolers without rotating my Ultra 120 Extreme. Even if not rotated, the top edge mosfet cooler interferes with the CPU cooler. This is in a SilverStone TJ-06 so it is really degrading to rotate fan towards floor of case.
Any other leeds on neat and efficiant mosfet coolers fo our MAXIMUS FORMULA
As soon as you start overclocking, every spec. is out the window. Intel does not overclock their chips in order to determine max thermal specs. Otherwise, we could prime at 95Cs and have no problems.
As you can see on CPUZ validator, I bumped it up to 3.2 so I could run 1:1 with mem. I originaly bought a Sapphire 2900xt 1gb GDDR4 with the intent of buying a second one later when I got mor funds, so I coud run crossfire, but now I can't find one. I found an ATI brand one. Same specs ATI 2900xt 1gb GDDR4, will it work with my Sapphire in crossfire or not; I suspect drivers are diferent. Hate to spend 520.00$ and dont work, wat do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Oh ya, are these temps from the Intel specs read via an internal specially calibrated thermal sensor or just a bulb set into a slit in the center of the chipset IHS like most labs are doing.
Nevertheless, cooler is better for longer life of computer electronis, including RAM,... to those who dont believe in RAM sinks or aftermarket coolers. YES, some still believe they're useless and just a ploy to get your money. What do you guys think? I use them, and I see for myself, coler is better. ThermalRight HR-07 series (single and duals).
I picked up an Antec Cool Spot fan and gave the screws on the NB HS a couple quick turns (thanks for the ideas on here). Load temps on my NB now running at 450x9 is 42, was 53 before. I recommend that quick fix if you want to drop a few degrees on the NB without removing things. The other bonus is it helps push the air to the back of the cases rear exhaust fans keeping everything cooler.
well I'm just an uneducated candian that can't really understand the full complexities of thermal tollerance so I will not comment any further.
BUT.... It was always my understanding that cooler was better, hence all the cooling options these days. But again I'm out of my league here , I'll just go sit in the corner now and read my picture book
What can you enter in the bios under user "String" instead of the time for the LCD POSTER? Just a name or can it be set somehoe to display voltages or something else like that?
dunno. Vista doesn't tell you the exact error unless you look it up. This is what vista gives me on the event:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
The problem seems to have gone away after I disabled ready boost and after the disk error check found and deleted some files. Could it have been a symptom from errors writtent to the hdd due to a failed stick or RAM?Code:Product
Windows
Problem
Video hardware error
Date
2/16/2008 1:50 PM
Status
Not Reported
Description
A problem with your video hardware caused Windows to stop working correctly.
Problem signature
Problem Event Name: LiveKernelEvent
OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Files that help describe the problem
WD-20080216-1344-02.dmp
sysdata.xml
Version.txt
Extra information about the problem
BCCode: 117
BCP1: FFFFFA8001EFC160
BCP2: FFFFF98004A525F0
BCP3: 0000000000000000
BCP4: 0000000000000000
OS Version: 6_0_6000
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1
Hi binormalkilla,Quote:
Originally Posted by binormalkilla
Thanks for the reply. It's appreciated. Like you I have a huge amount of trouble getting the board to post when it's got this RAM in it. I have the RAM voltage set at 2.1v. It stops at "DET RAM" unless I let it boot with everything else at AUTO. Even then, it fails Memtest within a few seconds. I'll try your suggested settings.
Thank you
I'm so confused right now...
I'm playing around with an e8400 right now and have my FSB @ 500. I can run my ram @ 1200 no problem (333 strap). What makes no sense is that I can't drop it down to 1000 for a 1:1 (333 or 400 strap). Whenever I try, it just won't post.
Can someone explain to me why I can run 1200 with ease but can't even post at 1000 on my ram???
Is there a secret? Fill me in!!!
don't go fracking with the strap setting, never a need for that really.
just use the ram divider setting.
leave strap on auto and let the ram run 1:1
and 400 strap would be like over 1300mhz ram 1:1 or whatever it add's up to.
yes?
My Maximus Formula and Crucial tracer DDR2 8500 LED is on the way now, not sure CPU yet, but just wait for Q9450 (Good price) replace my Q6600.
Need some help with voltage.
Anybody with more brains off PLL or GTL Ref information that can help me here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prodigys
In short :
CPU can reach 475 FSB on AUTO settings
NB can reach 475FSB on AUTO settings (1.55 vNB)
CPU can run hours and hours stable on 475 x 8.
CPU can NOT run 475 x 9 for 5 min stable....
So the CPU can take the high FSB but not the high speed, besides that it is not to low Vcore but something else, so that's why I ask you guys if GTL ref or PLL can help me out here ? Or something else that I don't think on right now...
I didn't want to insult you in any way, but in Austria we have an adage, which I try to translate analogously: It ain't what you say but the way that you say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I apologize for my not perfect english, but I think everyone understands it.
I'll try to explain some working actions of me, or better of Siemens hardware developement division. That should make it understandable why Intel specs SHOULD absolutely be facts, at least in the way they meant it:
We are a 7 people group working on circuit development for hardware components (including MB's). So maybe you missunderstood this, but I'm not a simple "hardware doctor" working at a computershop and tell customers storys like "that must be a driver issue" if for example cooler doesn't work.
My part is to calculate electric resistivitys, optimal circuit lenghts, optimal circuit placement, and many more. I wouldn't call this a simple job, but I'm happy with it.
And what I can say from this job is that we for sure use parts like Northbridges from original manufacturers like Intel. We didn't work on MB with X38 at the moment, but with NBs prior to this.
And we at Siemens have for our developement also only the Intel specs to work on. If for example we have stability issues with our circuit designs and are sure we calculated all things right it would get a big problem for Intel when we'd find out that this issue is because of Intel gave wrong values for some parameters.
Of course we get partly tech sheets not made public by Intel, but for some specs we also must work with official released ones. So many things like max temps are only definition issues of where this temp is meassured for example.
We get very detailed docs and I can tell you that the max NB temp of X38 is like specified in the thermal design guide.
So really noone must care about really low NB temps around 55 C. There's still enough space for further ocing with such low temp.
But to say it clearly: of course lower temps are always better for long time life and some other continual influence of operations which to explain would be to long for here.
But in general fact is NB temps under 90C loaded are no problem at least in the average lifetime of todays computerparts.
This is what Intel says, this is what my nearly 80 C loaded NB on a 48 hour stresstest (prime95 and 3dm06 running simultaniously) says and this is what should be handled as fact in a quality forum like this here.
I have the exact same problem! Slower / 1:1 should be the most stable, but I can't even POST to it either in the 400 or the 333. No problems on my QX6700, it's only with the E8400.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
To post 1:1 on either the 333/400 strap around 500 fsb and above, you need a lot of NB voltage or tight timings Cas4 (best) and TB set to disabled -1. That's what I'm running here. You can try 4-4-4-10(or 12)-2-25(or 30)-3-3-7(or 8)-3-5-4-6-4-6Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
I'm currently running 8.5x506 at 4-4-4-12-3-30-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6 @ 2.3v. TB disabled level 1. Hope this helps.
In as much as I respect your opinion, you're wrong. You're making a very basic mistake here, and as an engineer I believe you will understand this. A northbridge with a thermal envelope of 90C is NOT rated to run at that temperature at ALL FREQUENCIES. This last word is key, and that is why I said earlier that once you start overclocking, all those numbers are out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
This is why cooling is so important in computing. So yes, while the NB would run at 90C at stock without the stress of overclocked components eg. ram and fsb, it will not do so once you factor in these other variables.
This is why I think what you say is so misleading. Intel is not misleading us by saying that the NB will operate normally at 90C because Intel does not, and will not base their figures on overcloked chips. That is why there is always a disclaimer about running components within spec. So if you want to convince me that one can run at 90C at all frequencies, then show me some other numbers, eg. voltages, frequencies, fsbs, etc. To be so adamant about this argument is very interesting because this is XS, and members here do push their equipments to the limit. Heck didn't Intel seek out our very own Fugger to do its demos? If you want to continue this argument, I recommend you qualify some of your statements or show us some screenies of a 'pushed-system' priming large ffts with the nb temps close to 90C :D
As said, we haven't had X38 in lab till now and of course we do mainly tests within nonoc'ed range. But there's also simulated stress situation testing done. And my PC at home runs at 76 C NB temp when oced and 67 C idle. And this is what I will continue to say, that this is rockstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Surely it doesn't automaticaly mean it would run stable at 90C too, but 76 C isn't far away from 90.
Also the argument of the temp/frequency dependency is not that simple. There are other parameters influenced by one of this that MIGHT lead to run stable at 90 C nonoced but not stable at same temp oced.
But this is not tested by anyone (90 C NB temp stability) and I won't make statements that I can't hold.
What I wanted to say I've said. So fact is the max working temp of the X38 NB is 92 C (won't look again in spec, hope this is the right value).
Also fact is that Intel of caurse does this testings in lab with default frequencies. But to say at higher frequencies this isn't valid anymore is simply not true, because other things limit then.
I'm also not going to write here a technical explaination of relations between different factors and at last what counts is profen or already testet facts.
So be sure that fsb oced 76 C loaded NB is rockstable at my board. And honestly, if 90 aren't anymore, I wouldn't care because it looks already so that only I've got that high temp.
So why discuss temps that much that noone ever will reach? Take the knowlage out of this discussion that 76 C is a very good temp for oced NB and is rocklstable in long stresstests and be happy that your NB runs on top temps that will surely never be a limiter to your ocing.
dude you are frakking nuts :eek: mabye it is rock stable but dude those temps are nuts! anything that is hot enough to burn human skin is more than enough for me. you must have, as The Duke would say, BALLS OF STEEL :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
im not saying you are wrong... im just saying that i personally would never run any component up to those temps
Let me put it simply, rock stable at what overclock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin77
I do recall its a 64bit Video driver issue ( but dont quote me on that ) there is a great deal of material on the subject but not 1 clear answer. Vista was buggy in the beginning with ATI drivers in particular and Nvidia but I thought this was all sorted out long ago. Update to the latest drivers if you have not already and maybe try SP1 RTM. It might be memory related but I never saw it referenced b4.Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
Hi binormalkilla,Quote:
Originally Posted by binormalkilla
I tried those settings including BNV but it still won't post. At AUTO (800mhz) it will post but won't run for more than a few minutes in Memtest without errors. I tried the RAM in a friends P5E and it works perfectly. I am being to think my Maximus Formula is defective.
Thanks
has anyone got 8gb working correctly with this board? I have 8gb OCZ 4-4-4-15 800mhz stuff here but I get massive errors with 1,2,3, or 4 sticks in the board with all settings at stock.
Its obvious and more than disappointing that this board has many many RAM compatibility issues. This better be fixed soon or my return to ASUS will be short lived.
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Originally Posted by pee4
Good news is the Chinese New Year is over so work can begin on a Bios Update. DETDRAM issue popped up again on me after I thought I had it beat. So I'm beginning to suspect the motherboard doesn't like GSkill...at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sources
So i notice quite a few people run ram at 1:1, i set my ram in bios to 1066 and i have my cpu at 333x9 for 3ghz, when i go to cpu-z i notice my FSB : DRAM is at 5:8 is this wrong? should i be running it at 1:1?
Would appreciate advice please
I'm going to try updatign the video driver and then maybe reinstall vista. I backed up my programs with Vista's PC backup restore image feature. We'll see how it works, but I suspect it's an instability issue due to BSOD from of failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
i too am having MAJOR ram issues.
i have 3 kits of ram here 2x Gskill 6400 HZ and a brand new set of Crucial Ballistics 6400 (orange heatspreaders)
im lucky if i can run for 1/2 a day now without it starting to say my ram has errors
meaning i can get it all setup,, and for no fracking reason out of the blue i will run memtest and i get bombed by errors.
well t then takes another week for the fooker to stop giving me errors.
i might be ok for a day and get ZERO memtest errors then all the sudden i am back with errors again.
im sorry but all 3 kits are good then bad then good then bad...
this board is reeally starting to piss me off. i can't even get stable anymore, not even at fvcking stock.
i know some guys who are Qualcomm Engineers who are absolute retards. makes me wonder what tests they cheated on to get their ingineering degree(s)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
so dont feel bad if someone tells you something to the contrary of what you know to be TRUE
cold = stability, longer life
heat = unstable and shorter life span
silicon i dont give a flying patooty where you got your education has a natural heat tolerance level and when your talking about cpu's chipset's gpu's they all start to choke around 70-80c. they wont die but they start going downhill .
you two keep argueing this is entertaining...
you guys im staring at the checkout page at ncix for an asus maximus formula, should i pull the trigger?
ive got my E6300 to 3.5 on my now dead (rip) evga 680i board, I only wanna take this sucker if I can do the same. I'll ghetto mod (and later pro mod) a 3cm fan (from old Athlon XP cooler) to sit on the north bridge. I'm running four 1066 rated Ballistix Tracers.
Also, what do you guys think about nehalem support on X38. Total crap shoot? Is there any board that stands the best chance at supporting next gen procs? this is the last mobo im probibly going to own for three or four years so it needs to last!
Well, I'm @ 500x7 on an E6400. Of course, every board will be different, but it's LAN party stable. :D Key for me was transaction booster to relaxed, 0. My previous board was the 680i...I'm quite a bit happier now.
It's a great board as long as you don't shut it down. I've been wrestling with DETDRAM on Cold Boot since I got this board but that's with GSkill 1066 HK.