Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB - Info Here

Cybercat, your making it sound as if the 7800 GTX 512mb is going to suck :p the RAM alone makes it worthwhile.

512mb is starting to be important with all the texture files coming into games. Most important are the memory clocks; consider that the 1.4ns of the X1800 went from 1500mhz to 1800mhz on OC, the 1.1ns in these cards might be able to go from 1700mhz to 1900mhz, maybe even 2000mhz on air.

And the cores are always clocked low for consistant stability. 470mhz isn't that great but if the vast majority break 550mhz I think the card will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Eh, if they're wrong, atleast it still has 1.1ns ram.

However, that still doesn't explain the XFX stock bios with 580/1730 clocks. Considering NVidia made him take it down, there's definitely something to that one....

Also, remember, it's very possible that the 470 on that ad was a typo, 4 and 5 are nothing more than a click away, and I've seen worse typos on websites, as I'm sure we all have...

If it's not atleast 500mhz core though, I'm just going to continue waiting, after all there's still another fish in the sea.

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That BIOS could have been edited with the higher clocks. Look at BIOS from ATI cards. There is a program that can edit the BIOS to set any core and mem speed you want.

I think the 470mhz is right and AIBs will have higher clocked card like 500mhz and 520mhz like the BFG OC along with the 470mhz cards.

im thinking ill just stay with 256mb gtx sli and upgrade once the 90nm comes out

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Originally Posted by SnipingWaste

That BIOS could have been edited with the higher clocks. Look at BIOS from ATI cards. There is a program that can edit the BIOS to set any core and mem speed you want.

I think the 470mhz is right and AIBs will have higher clocked card like 500mhz and 520mhz like the BFG OC along with the 470mhz cards.

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I know it can be edited, but why would they make him remove a bios that's been edited? If they were edited to be that high, it wouldn't be showing off anything that wasn't suppose to be seen, right?

Now, I'm not saying 470 is wrong, but there's a very big possibility that it was infact a typo. As I've said before, the 4 and 5 aren't that far apart, and if you look around EVGA's website there's alot worse typos than that.

Actually, if you look around EVGA's site, that little faq they had on zip zoom fly(where he got that picture) isn't even there. Makes it a bit more fishy than it was already. Of course, seeing as the card isn't out, I'll fully understand if it's just not up due to that.

Even Mavke seems hard-set that stock clock is 550/1700, and he's seen the bios files already.

Like I said before though, if it's not over 500mhz stock, I'm not buying one...

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Originally Posted by freecableguy

back this up

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Here is one.

http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=17460

The picture I posted is a screen capture of a PDF file that I downloaded directly from eVGA. It was linked on the site. The URL no longer works. They removed the "leak", which is to be expected. You will not find it anywhere on the eVGA site after they discovered their folly. The picture was a simple way to post the info here. So, no web typos to consider.

Now, please keep in mind, that spec information is for the vanilla 512 MB GTX. 430 is the previous stock core. Now it is 470. Why would we expect more using the same 110 nm core? It only has an extra .05 V in the core available. Besides that, how many cards are released at spec? There are plenty of 490 Mhz 256 Mhz GTX cards are out there with the pint size cooler. I would only expect the same OC bump plus a little extra with the better cooler. So, 530 root (570 real) is about right. Add another 10 MHz for the better cooler, and we are at 540 (580). These are the core numbers that the articles refer. Expect to see 500 to 540 on the core of the factory OC versions from eVGA, XFX and BFG. I would also expect to see 1800 on the memory from a few vendors.

As for the XFX BIOS, it is legit. It is not simply an edited p347 BIOS. It is a completely new build (05.70.02.25.xx) versus the currently released BIOS versions (05.70.02.11.xx). The board ID has also changed, there are new memory timings for 1.1 ns GDDR3, and the core voltage tables support 1.45V. In addition, it does not work on any current 7800 GTX cards. It is not compatible. As for the 580 core clock, there was no delta. That is the same as a 540 core clock with a delta.

Why would we expect more? Well they really had me going with that voltage droop problem supposedly being fixed...

Did you guys see this from the Guru3d review of the 6800GS?

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/1...copy7ic.th.jpg

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/278/

sweet ass card

Yet another reason why I think EVGA made a typo in their PDF. Every other source, right down to the XFX bios has stated clocks in the 500 count.... Compared to ONE source saying 470, a source that has been taken down completely, and one that was never on EVGA's website, ONLY zipzoomfly.com.

I still have hope for 500mhz+, but if I don't see it...well...I'm waiting for Q1.

"Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB quantities held deliberately low

Much less than people expected"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552

"Our story was confirmed by several sources and we learned that Taiwanese companies could sell many more of these cards but can get just a handfull of chips. It’s a limited product and it's meant to be limited."

Wohhaa (posted some secs after you=)
If ATi release a new card then we problaly go beyond $700 soon.

Hmm...so basically, NVidia is going to do the same thing ATi is doing with this card.

Release them into retail channels, but slowly so they can keep the price up... Like how ATi sends 20 at a time per store, and keeps the price at $599, NVidia apparently has the same plan...

It's not the card in low supply, NVidia is going to make it so it is in low supply.... Both companies are getting EVIL this round, and BOTH companies could use a good slapping, and I mean an all day slapping.

Of course, this fits right along with what I've been told about the bigger fish, as this card won't have a very long life, so keeping it limited makes sense.....

You really think ATi is sitting on all XT cards ?
As i see it Nvidia can charge whatever price they want cuz they have the fastest card.
Dont compare this to ATi as the profit made from all sold cards this far is almost nothing for that big company i think.

Honestly, yes.

Look at it this way, the only XT's to show up in retail channels is the 512mb ones. The 256 ones(the cheaper ones) nowhere to be found, but you CAN find the xl's everywhere.

The 512mb XT's are slowly trickling 20 at a time, gee, does this take rocket science to figure out... If it was a ram shortage, you'd see the 256mb xt's everywhere, as they'd want to sell those to effectively make double the money for the same amount of ram, so that's surely not the problem, and if it was a core shortage, there wouldn't be XL's anywhere seeing as how the "myth" of the XL's using different cores was apparently busted by people hitting past XT speeds on their XL's using the same or less voltage to do so. MSRP gets jacked up to $599, and they're being slowly sent out... Gee, I wonder what's going on. :confused:

Think about it ubermann.....It's actually smart business tactics, they both want to make as much money off these cards as they possibly can, and they're very well going to do it.

As for comparing the two, NVidia are going to keep the flow of cards slow so to keep street price up, just like ATi are doing now(only difference is, ATi is FORCING that street price up). It's the same thing basically...

Keep demand high and supply low = high prices. Thing is, in both cases it's either pay the high price or get an inferior card.... I just wanna slap both companies around at this point.

People really turning their back to ATi cuz of this.
You can see even the die hard ATI fanboys on forums getting pissed and going Nvidia instead.
People are not happy lately with late cards and no stock.
Thats not a tactic, thats a problem (in my eyes)

I think the first 256 ones that will show up will be the master cards.

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Originally Posted by Ubermann

People really turning their back to ATi cuz of this.
You can see even the die hard ATI fanboys on forums getting pissed and going Nvidia instead.
People are not happy lately with late cards and no stock.
Thats not a tactic, thats a problem (in my eyes)

I think the first 256 ones that will show up will be the master cards.

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I agree with you on it being a problem, but look at it this way...

ATi *have* to make a set amount of money on these cards. By forcing the $599 price(except on oem, which means no warranty!) they can charge higher prices to the shops, so they can make the money they have to make. Knowing NVidia have their 512mb GTX coming, doing this means they all get sold(die hard fanboys don't care who's better, they just want their brand), at the price ATi needs to make.

Basically, while WE don't like it, THEY see it as a business tactic. NVidia apparently like the idea and will be doing the same thing.

Point is....nVidia can get them in mass to stores...but don't do it....ATI on the other hand IMO can't get them to stores, wether it's chip shortages (core or RAM)

So either way it's very dirty these games...but if nVidia hardlaunches the card....that Inq article will probably be long forgotten....it's expensive...but just like not many people can afford a sportscar or something similar....

Well Tim, there is one thing in that story that makes it a bit doubtable...

The reporter....Fuad.

You seem to forget things you wrote in the past about price on this thing.
Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?
And then we blame ATi for limited and price ?
I mean you cant blame ATi for any "bad" news with Nvidia.

Dont get me wrong, i really dont like whats happening with ATi lately and Nvidia is doing everything right for the moment.
People will pay those $650 so its not a problem and "limited" might make them pay it now and not wait for price to drop.

Personally, I haven't forgotten.... I think they're rather stupid for doing so, I understand that 512mb of 1.1ns ram can't be cheap or easy to come by, but it's not a good decision in the slightest.

I'm not blaming it on ATi either, I'm merely saying it seems like they're both using the same battle plan here.

The only ones to blame are the people who will pay it, because NVidia knows people WILL pay it just for the E-Peen implant alone.

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Originally Posted by LOE

i personally think 500$ should be top for a standart highest end card...

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Agree but how to make them set that price ?
I wonder what price their next high end cards will have, i guess they come as 512megs only.
Maybe Samsung is to blame for all this, or rather the lack of competition in that area for the moment.

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Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?

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No no not at all sorry for giving that impression :p: , I don't like nVidia for doing this...actually it's a bloody stupid move....but, prices can drop rapidly if it will be an hardlaunch...maybe not nVidia's MSRP or whatever it's called..but the shops will drop them in price (hopefully)

ATI and nVidia are both playing dirty here...don't get me wrong, fact still stands that there is price gouging going on for the XT because there is very limited availability (sp)

I'm not saying that it's right...not at all.... ;)

LOL, ATI has no agenda to limit supply strictly to maintain a retail or higher price. They stand to make one hell of alot more money selling in volume. The above retail prices we are seeing are set by the retailer and have nothing to do with ATI. Trust me I know having been a retail vendor for several companies.

In fact I would venture to say that ATI has spoken to some of the retailers and instructed them to not sell their product at the ridiculously high prices we saw with X850 PE's. Remember Allstarshop this January? If not I'll refresh your memory. When X850 PE released they had that card for $989 and no that's not a typo. Assshops price was insane for about 3 weeks before it fell below $700, but they we're also the only retailer to have them in stock. We are not seeing that BS with the XT. Yes it's over retail but that's normal for a high demand/low supply product.

They simply cannot make enough of these cards for some reason, that is all.