MUSHKIN PC4000 2gB SMOOKKIINNNNN!!

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Originally Posted by Bar81

Dude, they could call them God's superpowerful oompa loompa gizmondotech ultra extreme hotness RAM for all that it matters. That suddenly doesn't mean you get a pass for not possessing the ability to read specifications. Where in the specifications or name does it mention that they are rated for anything above 250. Point that out and then I'll see your point. Otherwise, you're being ridiculous. The fact that you can't read is a poor reason for an RMA.

Roll yourself back to third grade and bone up on your reading comprehension skills. You should be overly concerned about being a "reading" fanboy before you spout off your ignorant comments.

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DUDE...where in Mushkin or Newegg website did they mention the customer can not return the merchandise if they're not completely satisfied with them? your lack of ability to tell the difference between hype and reality doesn't mean you can get away with being a braniac, look for such agreement or policy then come convince me again. You're being naive, the fact that you can't comprehend the game behind it is an obvious reason why you should of think before you speak....in this case....TYPE!

Roll yourself back under your bed and look for your pacifier, you should be going to bed now as you're making yourself looking out of place.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

If you want to recoup your money...sell them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sticks, they just don't work as far above specs as you would like. Do NOT give these back to Mushkin saying "your loss, not mine."

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I thinks he's eating the 15% restocking fee and sending them back to the Egg. He's not misrepresenting the fact that he's not 100% satisfied or saying their defective. No harm no foul and well within what Newegg intended for their RMAs. I think the Egg wants satisfied customers like most retialers and will accept returns with little or no questions asked. Its just good business. If he had burned them up OCing I'm sure we would agree that a return would be wrong.

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Originally Posted by gundamit

I thinks he's eating the 15% restocking fee and sending them back to the Egg. He's not misrepresenting the fact that he's not 100% satisfied or saying their defective. No harm no foul and well within what Newegg intended for their RMAs. I think the Egg wants satisfied customers like most retialers and will accept returns with little or no questions asked. Its just good business. If he had burned them up OCing I'm sure we would agree that a return would be wrong.

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He could sell them at near retail prices and make back more than with the 15% restocking fee. Anyway, I was confused, I thought he was sending all four pairs back to Mushkin for a flat refund.

They have these these policies for customer satisfaction, you're right, but I guess I'm just one of those people that won't return/RMA something unless it's truly broken.

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Originally Posted by ben805

Roll yourself back under your bed and look for your pacifier, you should be going to bed now as you're making yourself looking out of place.

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Do not flame.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

If you want to recoup your money...sell them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sticks, they just don't work as far above specs as you would like. Do NOT give these back to Mushkin saying "your loss, not mine."

Above that, I am INSULTED that by the bolded part of what you said. RMAing perfectly good sticks after buying a few sets of it is immoral and just plain wrong. Really dude, just because something doesn't OC as well as you would have hoped is not basis for RMAing and punishing the company (yes, they can resell/respec to/for OEMs if it still works to recoup some of it) is just wrong.

Furthermore, they ran at their rating....250 3-3-2 for 2GB sets is pretty damn extreme in most people's books. On top of that, it's just a name, not an OC rating ;)

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As I said, I'd already suck up the original pair that I bought directly from Mushkin and keep them just for the hell of it, on top of that I'd also willing to pay for the 15% restocking fees, that's $140 out of my pocket. Newegg have nothing to lose as they'll quickly turn around and put them back in stock, as you and the other "DUDE" said you guys are well aware of the rated speed so I'm sure whomever get them next will be very satisfied with these performance.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

Do not flame.

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like wise...

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Originally Posted by gundamit

I thinks he's eating the 15% restocking fee and sending them back to the Egg. He's not misrepresenting the fact that he's not 100% satisfied or saying their defective. No harm no foul and well within what Newegg intended for their RMAs. I think the Egg wants satisfied customers like most retialers and will accept returns with little or no questions asked. Its just good business. If he had burned them up OCing I'm sure we would agree that a return would be wrong.

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Gundamit hit the nail, one quick look at my newegg account invoice I've bought over $5500 of hardwares from them in the past 12 months and the only thing that I'd ever RMA were the dead Ballistix that I had for only 3 weeks, this is the second time I ever RMA and I don't think I'm being unreasonable....

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Originally Posted by ben805

As I said, I'd already suck up the original pair that I bought directly from Mushkin and keep them just for the hell of it, on top of that I'd also willing to pay for the 15% restocking fees, that's $140 out of my pocket. Newegg have nothing to lose as they'll quickly turn around and put them back in stock, as you and the other "DUDE" said you guys are well aware of the rated speed so I'm sure whomever get them next will be very satisfied with these performance.



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I think you're in luck ben. Newegg doesn't charge the restocking fee if the item is out of stock. I just returned my redlines too, back to newegg for a full refund.

I wonder how charlie and the other major reviewers got exceptional results with these... handpicked?

These sticks are not worth $305 at all... Gskill ZX only costs $200.

Mushkin said these arent handpicked, the only thing i could think of is that these were earlier batch of ce-6 scince we got ours before you guys got yours.

Also, please lets not flame.

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Originally Posted by sin0822

Mushkin said these arent handpicked, the only thing i could think of is that these were earlier batch of ce-6 scince we got ours before you guys got yours.

Also, please lets not flame.

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I was told the same thing!
People act like this is some sort of conspiricy or something. In my post I even clarified my results were from sets Mushkin provided and that rep said results might not be typical. Furthermore, I was told that diff weeks of production are having different behaviors, and that binning is done by hand using testing techniques that are not 3d related, and hence this is something new to them with this 3d issue.

I don't see the same whiplash at OCZ or G.Skill. The OCZ CE parts are going to behave similar. The G.skill I don't know how they can sell for that price. I was talking to a Mushkin person who said the G.Skill price was BELOW their cost for the IC's. So either G.Skill is buying IC"s for cheaper than what Mushkin/OCZ can get in the USA, or they are losing $$$. Furthermore, G.Skill isn't rated for PC4000. Sure many kits will do it, but I've seen some people that don't get it as well. I think what we have to keep in mind, is ram manufacturers are trying to put out good products for good prices. People complain about Mushkin prices, but it's not higher than OCZ or Corsair for similar products. What do you expect these USA companies to do. Bin out memory for free. They are in business, that is to make $. Now granted I don't think paying a ton over their cost is appropriate, but that's where competition comes in, from those companies and keeps prices in check. Don't u think if IC's were really that cheap, and OCZ or Mushkin could sell for cheaper and still survive, that they wouldn't be doing that to undercut their competition?

Ben, I don't see anything imoral with what your doing! You can return your product under the rules established by your reseller.

However, when people base their satisfaction on inflated ideals of what they want, ie 270+ or w/e, then a certain product doesn't meet that criteria even though it does meet the specifications that the manufacturer declares, that becomes a very sticky issue. Who's wrong?

I've gotten crap results and I've rma'd things too, so I can't get on a soapbox saying I'm all squeaky clean in this area, but we do have to be realisitic that sometimes things don't work out like we wish. I don't know how many damm cpus or video cards I've gotten that clock like turds, but we seem to tolerate that alot better than ram for some reason. I'm not sure why everyone gets their panties in such a wad when ram doesn't fly as high as they think it should. I suppose it's b/c you see your forum neighbor with some value set doing the same or better, so you feel ripped off. I'm not sure. I would just hate for the memory makers that have helped us through the years get what we want, to stop supporting us b/c we can be so fickle and tempermental and over expecting.

i agree with you on the ram part, im not geting involved with this guys rma.

AS far as testing goes, every module is hand tested on DFI nForce4 motherboards beyond their rated spec with the RST Pro2 test cards (known as being the best in the industry).

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Originally Posted by sin0822

AS far as testing goes, every module is hand tested on DFI nForce4 motherboards beyond their rated spec with the RST Pro2 test cards (known as being the best in the industry).

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that's what I've been told as well.

Also, as far as charlie getting super high results much higher than everyone else. LOL does that really surprise anyone. He always gets the luck hardware. Plus he's a hell of an overclocker and has the track record to back it up.

Sorry, not to offend anyone but in my personal opinion, the only thing lame here is the Infineon ce-6 chips. I'm just not impressed with the chips at all, especially compared to 4000 Balistix even thouigh several users have had balistix go belly up, but I'd rather use the lifetime warranty and get replacements than suffer lower speeds and the incompatabilities of the CE-6's. Again, IMHO, and I'm sure some will disagree.

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Originally Posted by JNav89GT

The G.skill I don't know how they can sell for that price. I was talking to a Mushkin person who said the G.Skill price was BELOW their cost for the IC's. So either G.Skill is buying IC"s for cheaper than what Mushkin/OCZ can get in the USA, or they are losing $$$. Furthermore, G.Skill isn't rated for PC4000.

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Lower binned => cheaper price for the ICs.

Except the binning and production don't quite seem to go like it should theoretically.

Very obviously, they produced so many high-clocking chips a while ago that even the low bins (for G.Skill) were getting good chips and equally obvious they now produce worse clocking chips that have difficulty meeting the high bin requirement at all.

AMD does this all the time, I would have been surprised if Infineon was any different.

you guys know that ce-6 was originally at ddr333 product?

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Originally Posted by sin0822

you guys know that ce-6 was originally at ddr333 product?

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yeah, 6ns hehe!

I think we're seeing a repeat of the be-5 debacle where people were buying HP3200 and expecting 250+ and when not getting it bashing Mushkin.

LOL I think mushkin needs to bin out all their memory at +50mhz just to avoid our wrath :fact:

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Originally Posted by xgman

Sorry, not to offend anyone but in my personal opinion, the only thing lame here is the Infineon ce-6 chips. I'm just not impressed with the chips at all, especially compared to 4000 Balistix even thouigh several users have had balistix go belly up, but I'd rather use the lifetime warranty and get replacements than suffer lower speeds and the incompatabilities of the CE-6's. Again, IMHO, and I'm sure some will disagree.

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Which IC's are in the Ballistix?

So my lesson learned here is:

When buying ram sticks that contains an infineon, you should buy it from the first batch released asap (doesnt have to be handpicked). Because the later batches will probably be duds.

Once the early enthusiests buys the first set of batches asap, they will post their exceptional results, and the followers will see that and will be baited into buying the turd batches that are released after.

The followers that got baited into buying these turd batches will complain in this forum. they will complain about getting ripped off and stuff and say they will RMA. And some guy who thinks he is morally better than everyone else will come in and say "dude that is lame, fu, ur rmaing because you cant overclock??? burn in hell lol!!!"

And then a Rep will come in and say "overclocking is not gauranteed, blah blah blah, you paid for rated specs blah blah blah"

and the Cycle continues.

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Originally Posted by Squire

So my lesson learned here is:

When buying ram sticks that contains an infineon, you should it from the first batch released asap (doesnt have to be handpicked). Because the later batches will probably be duds.

Once the early enthusiests buys the first set of batches asap, they will post their exceptional results, and the followers will see that and will be baited into buying the turd batches that are released after.

Cycle.

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no that's not true
I"ve had good and bad sets from same week, so binning does help. And later weeks aren't always better. BUT diff weeks do produce diff results with wide fluctuation

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Originally Posted by gr8golf

Which IC's are in the Ballistix?

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Micron like i think its 5b

I'm glad i got one of the crappy ones !!!

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Originally Posted by bigjohns97

I'm glad i got one of the crappy ones !!!

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WhaT? How crappy?

It's too bad the quality couldn't stay near like it was on the earlier "good" ones because they absolutely rock. After having a couple weeks to play with them my first set does 2.5-3-2 250-260 and 3-3-2 at 290 stable with any test or game I can throw at them. Second set from a week later can barely do 260 at 3-3-2. Bleh. I won't RMA them as they do meet advertised spec but I'm not real happy about premium $317 RAM that barely overclocks at all. My bad and like always it's buyer beware.

-pickles

the Infineons are very hit and miss... Makes ya wonder since so many Ballistix sticks are keelin over, who is gonna take the crown for the best high speed 2GB kit...

UCCC is getting better slowly....should be interesting to see what they'll end up being.

If you buy something from a store that's return policy states return on defective items only, and your sticks dont OC to your expectations and you RMA saying the sticks are defective then you lied and that's a bad thing.

On the other hand if you buy from a store "like" Fry's were they offer a customer satisfaction guarantee,
"if for any reason your not satisfied with the product please return it for a full refund with in XX days" then if you return the item because you decided you don't like the color, or how it OC's, it doesn't matter your not satisfied with product. Your perfectly with in your customer privilege to return said item/items.

Now if you see that as unmoral/unethical then maybe you need to leave Sun-young Moon's Flock, get some sun and blood flowing into that brain :D

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Originally Posted by Blue078

If you buy something from a store that's return policy states return on defective items only, and your sticks dont OC to your expectations and you RMA saying the sticks are defective then you lied and that's a bad thing.

On the other hand if you buy from a store "like" Fry's were they offer a customer satisfaction guarantee,
"if for any reason your not satisfied with the product please return it for a full refund with in XX days" then if you return the item because you decided you don't like the color, or how it OC's, it doesn't matter your not satisfied with product. Your perfectly with in your customer privilege to return said item/items.

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QFT! I agree.

-pickles