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03-19-2005, 10:14 PM
zoom314

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Originally Posted by jjcom

OCZ VX4000 uses Winbond UTT, or CH-5. BH-5 is better than CH-5. So at the same clocks, BH-5 will win :D

jjcom

I highly doubt bh-5 will win and anandtech backs Me up.

OCZ ram is newer and BH-5 is not made anymore,
Here's OCZ EL PC4000 VX Gold Memory + DFI nForce4 = DDR533 at 2-2-2-6
Besides some of those near the top in overclocking are using It.

According to the Anandtech article, This stuff wipes the floor with BH-5.

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What replaces "wow" when you realize that OCZ VX running at DDR533 outperforms the previous best running at DDR610?
03-19-2005, 10:33 PM
qdemn7

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Originally Posted by Ad Rock

Just noticed that the target price is about $150. If that is true I think Saphire is going to kick some serious ass with this new mobo. I also really liked how apparently OCZ had a lot of input when designing the memory configuration so we should see some nice and stable memory interaction.

I look at this board every day and still drool every day.

Is $150 USD or $150 CDN? And where did you see / read / hear that?
03-19-2005, 10:40 PM
zoom314

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ad Rock

Just noticed that the target price is about $150. If that is true I think Saphire is going to kick some serious ass with this new mobo. I also really liked how apparently OCZ had a lot of input when designing the memory configuration so we should see some nice and stable memory interaction.

I look at this board every day and still drool every day.

And with OCZ PC4000VX Gold It's gonna feed some serious Ass to the NF4 crowd I'll bet, Most of which would need an OCZ DDR Booster, That's If It will work with their motherboard at all that is..... :banana: :banana: :stick: I wonder would they like that with or without salt? ;)
03-19-2005, 11:10 PM
Psyche911

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Originally Posted by kraggy

BH-5? Why use BH-5 when you can have OCZ VX 4000??? :stick:

Because I bought it 18 months ago and it was the best thing at the time? :p

Still great RAM. VX PC-4000 has more bandwidth, which can help it win in some instances (like Quake 3 at 700fps...lol). But a lot of the time, the extra bandwidth doesn't necessarily help any more than a higher clock...which you can get with BH-5.

VX wont go above 255-260, right? With BH-5, some people can get a bit higher still at 2-2-2-5.

Granted, I am not one of those people yet as I've only got 2.85vdimm. :(
03-19-2005, 11:33 PM
Ad Rock

Quote:

Originally Posted by qdemn7

Is $150 USD or $150 CDN? And where did you see / read / hear that?

It is in this article that was on the page before here. .

Even at a price of $150 usd (with what our exchange rate is at) that price is still about the same as a DFI Lanparty.
03-20-2005, 01:40 AM
krille

I'm Sorry I might appear ignorant, but I have a couple of questions:

1) Considering the active cooling of the mosfets, will you be able to use 4v vDimm (through the 5v rail i suppose?) stable 24/7 without any mods? (Which is *NOT* recommended on the DFI.)

2) What exactly makes this board *better than* the DFI? To me it rather looks like its ATI/Sapphire twin?

Might sound a bit sceptical, but I've never had no AMD board in my comp before, and now this - seems a bit too good imho. But then, Array Technology Inc. did surprise us with its R300 as well.
03-20-2005, 02:33 AM
2fink

Quote:

Originally Posted by krille

I'm Sorry I might appear ignorant, but I have a couple of questions:

1) Considering the active cooling of the mosfets, will you be able to use 4v vDimm (through the 5v rail i suppose?) stable 24/7 without any mods? (Which is *NOT* recommended on the DFI.)

2) What exactly makes this board *better than* the DFI? To me it rather looks like its ATI/Sapphire twin?

Might sound a bit sceptical, but I've never had no AMD board in my comp before, and now this - seems a bit too good imho. But then, Array Technology Inc. did surprise us with its R300 as well.

i think most people like the design and the known facts about the board are really good (vdimm up to 4V and vcore up to 2V). nobody really knows how it runs and if its better than the dfi. but i think everybody hopes so ;)
03-20-2005, 03:32 AM
dimasdw

Quote:

Originally Posted by krille

2) What exactly makes this board *better than* the DFI? To me it rather looks like its ATI/Sapphire twin?

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we can put Water Block on the mosfet... :banana:
until now iam confuse how to put water block on my DFI NF4 :confused:
03-20-2005, 07:24 AM
REDKEN

I think the chip will do good and the sapphire board also.

Ati knows that it has to compete with an already well established chip, the nforce (which is a very good and mature chip).

They need to come out with a "bang" in order to establish themselves on the market. If they don't get it right the first time, their first "real" venture into this market will be a rocky one. Most people don't know them for their other chips, so I think that for the general public, this will be their "first" chipset. The tip of the lance.

That is why i believe they have put their ears on the ground and have probably done quite a bit of testing to get this board out with as few possible bugs (there will always be some) as possible.

I think that at the very least it will probably perform as well as the Nforce, but I hope that it will be better. Not so much because we need a "great" O/C'er, but because AMD REALLY needs a "rock solid" chipset on their side like Intel has right now. That is the mayor thing holding AMD back now.

Those are my 2 cents.

P.S.: I was just going to put a simple "Registering on thread" :), but I this thread reminds me of why I like the computer field so much... :toast: ...and also the joy of upgrading in may :p:
03-20-2005, 07:31 AM
SLaY3r07

I am still debating weither I should keep my TCCD OCZ EL Platinum Rev2 for this board or sell those and get OCZ VX PC4000 :censored:
03-20-2005, 07:47 AM
situman

Im deciding whether i should use my "new" OCZ PC3500 BH-5 or PC4200 EL PLat. TCCD :)
03-20-2005, 10:12 AM
qdemn7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ad Rock

It is in this article that was on the page before here. .

Even at a price of $150 usd (with what our exchange rate is at) that price is still about the same as a DFI Lanparty.

Thanks for that info.
03-20-2005, 02:19 PM
philter

LOL- I missed the 450 SB part and was thinkin it uses the old 400!
My complaints 'bout this board were no HD Audio and SATA 2 and USB issues, seems they have been adressed so this board has moved up my list some!!!
I really do hope it lives up to everyones expectations, dunno why but NF4 just dosnt 'do it' for me, this board looks like it could be the one.
Time will tell......
03-20-2005, 03:32 PM
zoom314

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyche911

Because I bought it 18 months ago and it was the best thing at the time? :p

Still great RAM. VX PC-4000 has more bandwidth, which can help it win in some instances (like Quake 3 at 700fps...lol). But a lot of the time, the extra bandwidth doesn't necessarily help any more than a higher clock...which you can get with BH-5.

VX wont go above 255-260, right? With BH-5, some people can get a bit higher still at 2-2-2-5.

Granted, I am not one of those people yet as I've only got 2.85vdimm. :(

533 /2 = 266.5MHz, At least with OCZ PC4000VX ram, BH-5 is obsolete as far as I'm concerned. :banana: :banana:

Wrong, In the Review I listed above in another link It went as High as 269MHz for this 1Gb pair of 512Mb sticks. :stick:
03-20-2005, 04:27 PM
S0nic

Quote:

Originally Posted by krille

1) Considering the active cooling of the mosfets, will you be able to use 4v vDimm (through the 5v rail i suppose?) stable 24/7 without any mods? (Which is *NOT* recommended on the DFI.)

What?? u mean I can't use my PC4000 VX on my DFI NF4 board 24/7?

btw is there any ETA on this sapphire board yet?
03-20-2005, 04:47 PM
jjcom

yeah you can, The board can get power for the RAM from either the 3.3v rail or the 5v rail. So you can just power it from the 3.3v rail for 24/7 setup

jjcom
03-20-2005, 04:51 PM
S0nic

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjcom

yeah you can, The board can get power for the RAM from either the 3.3v rail or the 5v rail. So you can just power it from the 3.3v rail for 24/7 setup

jjcom

So do I need to move the jumper back from the 5V position?
03-20-2005, 06:38 PM
VulgarHandle

my bh5 runs 250 7-2-2-2.0 w/ 3.3v on an nforce2 board :cool:

man, hope these ati boards produce results, it'll set a new benchmark for all motherboards
03-20-2005, 06:41 PM
jjcom

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Originally Posted by S0nic

So do I need to move the jumper back from the 5V position?

yep,

jjcom
03-20-2005, 06:42 PM
boostdfd3s

Yeah whats this about the 5V not being 24/7 stable? Isnt that one of the premier features of the DFI board? Does the heatsink just have to be actively cooled? Hate to threadjack, but a quick answer would be great!
03-20-2005, 06:46 PM
jjcom

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Originally Posted by boostdfd3s

Yeah whats this about the 5V not being 24/7 stable? Isnt that one of the premier features of the DFI board? Does the heatsink just have to be actively cooled? Hate to threadjack, but a quick answer would be great!

You guys should start up a new thread...

When running off the 5v rail, the mosfets get *very* hot. So you have to have them sinked and with active cooling when running off the 5v rail. Plus its just more stress on them. Basicly, its better on the mb to run from the 3.3v rail for a 24/7 rig

jjcom
03-20-2005, 06:51 PM
boostdfd3s

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjcom

You guys should start up a new thread...

When running off the 5v rail, the mosfets get *very* hot. So you have to have them sinked and with active cooling when running off the 5v rail. Plus its just more stress on them. Basicly, its better on the mb to run from the 3.3v rail for a 24/7 rig

jjcom

Thread was made 2sec before you posted :)
03-20-2005, 08:03 PM
Revv23

not recommended and not possible are very differerent things.
03-20-2005, 09:51 PM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoom314

I highly doubt bh-5 will win and anandtech backs Me up.

OCZ ram is newer and BH-5 is not made anymore,
Here's OCZ EL PC4000 VX Gold Memory + DFI nForce4 = DDR533 at 2-2-2-6
Besides some of those near the top in overclocking are using It.

According to the Anandtech article, This stuff wipes the floor with BH-5.

they dont actually compare it to BH-5, i really dont know how they could possible have come to the conclusion that VX is faster then BH... and seeing as utt is CH based, and BH-5 is faster thn CH, i consider VX to be just as fast un interleaved...

but, since most of our BH is 256 and the VX is 512 sticks the interleaving does a good job...now lets see where thosee good clocking BH-5 512 sticks are and have a head to head, shall we?
03-21-2005, 12:08 AM
zoom314

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

they dont actually compare it to BH-5, i really dont know how they could possible have come to the conclusion that VX is faster then BH... and seeing as utt is CH based, and BH-5 is faster thn CH, i consider VX to be just as fast un interleaved...

but, since most of our BH is 256 and the VX is 512 sticks the interleaving does a good job...now lets see where thosee good clocking BH-5 512 sticks are and have a head to head, shall we?

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2369&p=4

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